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2005-12-12, 05:25 PM
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NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them.
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2005-12-12, 01:22 PM
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Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless
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We'd love to attend both
but we're faced with the old cant be in 2 places delima [sp?]
The prices this year are simply to high.
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2005-12-12, 05:53 PM
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Took the hint.
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Guess what I got in the mail today?
ANOTHER FUCKING POSTCARD. AVN, please: if I am not signed up by now, coming from CANADA, it is very unlikely I will show up because there are no more fucking hotel rooms in Vegas for less than the national debt of a third world nation. I do not want openly adult materials shipped to me without plain wrapping. Can you please adjust your marketing programs for the next show to have a little sensitivity to those people you are trying to sell to? Alex |
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2005-12-14, 07:56 PM
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AVN's lastest direct mail campaign - ya get that one yet?
So have you received your mailing from AVN's lastest direct mail campaign ?
Its for the latest of AVN's magazines. The front of the envelope - yes outside on the front of the envelope right next to your address - perfect for photocopying all together - AVN features the cover of their new magazine. did you get that mailer yet? Whats your reaction? H |
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2005-12-14, 08:03 PM
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There's Xanax in my thurible!
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I get all kinds of porn shit sent to me by mail. "Exclusive Video Offers Inside. Must be 18 to open." I mean Hell it happens, I'm sure the postman just doesn't even care about what kind of mail you are getting. Now when he accidentaly drops your mail into your neighbors box...then it's time to get steamed.  |
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2005-12-14, 08:09 PM
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Took the hint.
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Having my neighbor's show up with my "interclimax" check is always a good one...
Strange, they wire money to me now instead  Alex |
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2005-12-14, 08:17 PM
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Yeah, the gayvn ad? That is FUCKED up! We live in a quiet neighborhood & we don't need our neighbors seeing this shit!
We need to tar & feather AVN for their stupidity! What tools.....  |
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2005-12-14, 09:44 PM
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I emailed the exec of sales with a nice little email . Goto avnonline's contact us page and you'll see the email addy's listed there.I thought the top dog of avn sales was my target - since this direct mailing IS the product of a sales campaign. right? anyway I live in a more redneck part of LA county and I dont need the local tobacco chewers attention. |
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2007-07-30, 07:05 PM
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Ummm, did I just go back in time 19 months?
AVN could not care less about the independent webmasters and independent amateur sites, unless you're one of the few buying their ad space. |
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2007-07-31, 12:57 AM
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They have the Internet on computers, now?
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Are we talking about AVN, or AVNOnline here?
One large company, but very distinct divisions. |
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2007-07-31, 05:42 AM
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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But based on everything, I'd think it was safe to assume that I think both suck when it comes to the everyday webmaster. **** Thanks to zoezane for bringing up a really old thread for no fucking reason  |
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2007-07-31, 09:15 AM
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You can now put whatever you want in this space :)
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2007-07-31, 01:14 PM
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They have the Internet on computers, now?
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I know first hand she cares very much about webmasters, and treats everyone with respect. She has also been known to bite the hand that feeds them,because it was the right thing to do. Again, I know this first hand, from an experience I knew all the details on. You may some get traction with "they favor advertisers when it comes to reviewing products." But hey, they ARE a trade journal. I've noticed web boards allow advertisers to put up "stickies," and have special privileges when it comes to announcements and things. Please, tell me how this is different? |
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2007-07-31, 02:09 PM
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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If you really want to hear my views on AVN, go listed to these radio shows (in this order)
January 24 2006 - 40 minutes of crap & 40 minutes with Farley from AVN January 17 2006 - Contests, Announcements, More Vegas Stuff, 1996-98 Sponsors January 10 2006 - Vegas 2006 Recap Part 1 December 13 2005 - AVN Show Recap, Non-English Speaking Webmasters December 6 2005 - Far-L From HomeGrown & Farley From AVN Discuss Internext Yes, 5 hours of crap to go thru - that's how much on air time we dedicated to this subject 18 months ago when this thread was going on. There's more threads about AVN & Internext as well - most from 2006 & prior (but I think there is one about the 2007 Vegas show where DrB was giving them another chance) |
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2007-07-31, 03:32 PM
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They have the Internet on computers, now?
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highly value his opinion on any subject. And I think I'll stick with the opinion of AVN I've formed on my own for now. But I certainly respect your having an opinion of your own. Aren't capitalism and free speech great things? |
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2007-07-31, 03:41 PM
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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So you want to hear my opinion...as long as it doesn't take too long?
If you're gonna listen to one, I'd suggest this one: January 24 2006 - 40 minutes of crap & 40 minutes with Farley from AVN Start about 40 minutes into it - the short version is that Farley convinced me to give Internext one more chance & this is me discussing what I liked & disliked after the show (of course, he was 40 minutes late for the interview, so the 1st part is mostly me bitching that he didn't have the balls to come on the show) I love Far-L as well, but he's a tad bit on AVN's side due to him owning a video company & not being an everyday webmaster, which is what the entire debate is all about. |
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2007-07-31, 04:44 PM
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They have the Internet on computers, now?
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Yea, that's about it. I would like a "summary," not a whole report. Ultimately, it all comes down to everyone's individual perspective anyhow. I've been an exhibitor at Internext, and more often a reporter for AVNOnline. I'll be a featured speaker this week at Internext in Florida. I think, that maybe allot of opinion is about what they THINK it should be, for them, as opposed to what it actually is. And I'm by no means a devote' Of Internext. For us, exhibiting there isn't the best investment of my marketing dollars. Nothing wrong with it, just not the choice I will make after the first year. I also had a major complaint, which is long gone water under the bridge. As a result, I don't exhibit anymore. That's how I voted with my dollars. But When I find myself having a negative opinion, I say "Ok, but what if it wasn't there at all?" Then we'd complain 'cause there wasn't anything. 'Cause I'm not gonna run a show. I think any "show" has value, in that, it's an opportunity to meet with others you would not normally meet with, and a way to see "new and exciting thing." Adult webmasters are an odd lot to start with. Most work out of their homes, I'll bet many of them roll out of bed, and into "the office," just a few feet away. They start out as an anti-social lot. How do you make a "happy" show for them? I mean, let's face it, we all want to go to a show, see what everyone else is doing, find that million dollar idea that will only work if WE do it, meet cool people, go to a good party, and accidentally walk into a hotel room/ pool cabana/ beach hideaway/ (fill in your own fantasy here) with two hot porn chics making out, that suddenly decide we're the answer to their sexual needs at the moment. Now, do I paint an accurate picture, or what? Last edited by EmporerEJ; 2007-07-31 at 04:45 PM.. Reason: spell check, spell check, spell check |
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2007-07-31, 05:51 PM
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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The long & short of it is that Miami is way too expensive & Vegas is a distant 2nd to AEE as far as importance in their eyes (I do love giving a seminar in the basement of the hotel as the kitchen staff pushes a cart behind the panel area) AVN takes care of the video companies - and from what I'm told, they take care of them very well. The everyday webmaster that's building sites & galleries & maintaining link lists & tgp's & blogs is like the redheaded step-child. That's why I love that XBiz's forums came along 6 months after I lost all faith in AVN Like I said before - this is all old news to most people. Do some reading & listen to some audio & you'll be caught up to where we left this 18 months ago |
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2007-07-31, 07:18 PM
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They have the Internet on computers, now?
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Yea, that was 18 months ago. So let me see if I've got this right...... Post here infrequently, get a rash of shit when you do post something.... Post here, and get a rash of shit for responding to another poster's comments. (Who apparently broke the "Thanks to zoezane for bringing up a really old thread for no fucking reason" Rule) Oh, and she apparently did have a reason, as she posed several questions in her "no fucking reason" section of her post. After learning she broke the expiration rule, I'm not surprised she didn't post again. |
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2007-07-31, 07:12 PM
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I didn't re-start this thread, I just added to it after someone else did. I caught my eye, so away I went. I was responding to Zoe, and then you chimed in with the "my opinion 19 months ago." I wasn't aware there was an expiration date to threads. If it bothered you so much, why did you post into it again, and again???? And what's wrong with reviewing an old position? You make a determination 19 months ago, and then locked in for life on that? That explains allot. |
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I'm sorry if I don't follow your philosophy of dusting off old things, like your Dec 2006 post in regards to a TV show that aired in Oct 2002 where your website was displayed on a monitor in the background of a cluttered room for a grand total of 2 seconds. Of course, had I not read your post, I'd have had no idea who's website flashed on my screen anyway And this has nothing to do with how often you visit the board or post. I'm just boggled as to why you seem to have so many questions about a topic that you heavily contributed to. It's like you wanted to start another (or reopen the existing) debate on the subject for some reason. But obviously, I'm a moron because you're not speaking to me or anyone else. I guess zoezane needs to reply to your question. |
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2007-07-31, 08:30 PM
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They have the Internet on computers, now?
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Yea, whatever.
I can see you'll just keep at this until "you're right." I think I remember why I wandered away 18 months ago. I understand the board is your life. It isn't mine, and I don't fact check every statement I make and cross chart it against every other statement I made over the past 24 years. (My time in the adult industry.) It catches my eye, I respond. I don't re-review the thread. I use the "Go to most recent unread post" option, respond, and move on. And as for our multiple TV exposures, I find every one of them valuable, for any length of time. The episode in question has actually been re-cut from the original, which included a bit more of our material. Oh, the changing times of what's allowed on TV, and the addition of more commercials to shows. In this particular case, we lost some air time. I must have missed your spot on the show? Did your segment get completely cut? There were allot more people in the industry on that show, and it was of great general interest to all. And you know what's really ironic about that? Much of that footage was shot at Internext! How about that? yet another GOOD reason for the shows. The mainstream media recognizes that is where to go to get stories and B-Roll. But I'm sure you have a reason why that's no good too, right? I'm just so damn tired of this intra industry bashing. People go to the trouble to pull together a show, for whatever reason, and there is always somebody ready to stand in the corner and spit on it. Or, just run down what is a positive experience. Hey, that's OK. you believe what you want. Somebody must be seeing it. Every time any one of our appearances airs, we see a very distinctive spike in traffic and orders. I can always tell when we are on one of the international appearances they re-run from the BBC. But you stick with what you KNOW to be right. That'll work best for you I think. And as for "Ask Zoe;" why that's exactly what I did do. Then you popped in and pissed on her leg about her "audacity" of starting up an old thread that had "Lost steam." -Cooking now, isn't it? I'm truly sorry that you haven't been paid for your appearances. |
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2007-07-31, 08:38 PM
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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Well, you certainly put me & my pitiful 11 years of adult webmastering to shame. Of course, I was only 12 when you got into the adult industry, so I'll have to go yell at my parents for not fucking sooner so that I could have as many years experience as someone who is as wise an elder as you.
LEARN FROM THIS MAN, MY FELLOW ADULT INDUSTRY NEWBIES! Have fun in Miami & keep telling yourself that a free badge is plenty of compensation for your appearance |
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2007-07-31, 09:27 PM
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They have the Internet on computers, now?
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Oh, suggestion for the system administrator to avoid these awful thread revivals?
Turn off the "alert user when someone posts in the thread you posted in" for whatever time period you have determined is an "out of steam thread." Or at least add the line : "Post at your peril, cause this thread is xxx months old, and has been determined to not matter anymore. You will be ridiculed and berated for responding." 'Cause, as I look back, that's how I got involved. Got the email from your system telling me someone responded to a thread I was posting in. Not sure how Zoe revived it. But that's how I was alerted. Oh, wait....can't you lock old threads? Yes, I'm sure that's a function of the message board software. Then you could avoid all this nonsense as well. Just lock 'em all up after a certain time. Then you have that "control fix," as well. I figured it was safe to respond to a thread I had posted in (my bad for thinking that.) I already knew it was wrong to start a new thread that didn't fit the ever changing requirements. (See above confirmation) But I will give you a bit of marketing philosophy we use, since you've been so kind..... ANY appearance, ANY...where the outcome is to expose our product to one new potential user, marketer, or media source is worth it's time in gold. Compensation aside, I think I would consider PAYING for an appearance that meets my criteria. That might have something to do with longevity in ANY business. Rolling with the changes from Super 8, to Video, to BBS, to internet does give one a perspective on the industry that only a lengthy exposure like that can do. If you're lucky, maybe you'll be able to see that thing that comes after whatever is happening when I drop dead, being the next generation and all. |
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