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DJilla · 2006-05-12, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim

That is one of my biggest fears. Except, what if the republicans do run McCain and the Democrats run Hillary? McCain is actually liked by most people on both sides. He has the military record and as you say he tries to practice democracy. Just being a Republican will be enough for Republicans. And not being a woman and seeming to be a good, fair man would be enough for a lot of Democrats.

This is exactly what it looks like is going to be the case. IMHO, the only hope is a new horse down the line. This is the first election in a long, long, long, time that didn't have a standing Pres or past VP running so the field is wide open.

I think the US would vote for the right woman. I admire and like Hillary a lot but she is not that woman. Someone along the lines of a Madeline Albright would be stellar (but she wasn't born here).

And what the heck is all this about McCain in every media outlet? He's the same creep the rest of them are. OK, fought in battle, sometimes in opposition to the evil empire, a tobacco chewer (makes him kind of folksy doesn't it? I can't wait to see the spitoon next to the debate lectern). Even if he is Mr. Clean (which he's not), he knows all the other bullshit that's been going on and he has to participate to be a player. Nothing worse in my book than a gangster that pretends he's not (or one that's not and pretends he is). John McCain... NEXT!

However, I would get out the vote for any candidate that had one of two platforms either of which I think would be killer apps.

1. Platform is singularly to undo everything that Bush has done to the best of my ability (obviously Supreme Court is lost, whatever).

2. Platform that promises to do nothing or dedicates itself to eliminating millions of useless, bothersome, intrusive, ridiculous, laws, regulations and committes that have accumulated over the last 40 years. We all clean out our closets sometime don't we? Just leave us alone, send the money back (we'll pay shipping) and let the states handle it (sounds like the OLD republican platform doesn't it).

Lets start debating about what we don't need rather than more of what we do, because what we got isn't cool at all.

Finally, if your candidate is already a millionaire when he runs and you vote for him/her then you get what you got coming. If they're of average means, then at least its pretty easy to figure out when they or their posse has gone bad! Election financing won't let the average joe rise to the top? Probably right... see platform #2.

I remember reading that in the forties and fifties many states had little write-in protest spots for the voter and these were actually tabulated and published as kind of a quirk. These were eliminated because Mickey Mouse was getting an embarrassingly high number of votes. Maybe this should come back just to get a point across.

Jim · 2006-05-11, 08:31 AM

You just need to look at who actually votes.
http://www.census.gov/population/soc...004/tab04b.xls
The largest being between 45 and 64
The lowest being over the age of 75 and the next to lowest, 18-24
As I said, men between 45 and 65 are not ready for a Woman President. And the Women, many still believe their place is in the home and not the White House.

If more 18-24 year olds were to stop protesting everything and do the important thing (vote) a Woman might have a chance. But, with only about 11% of these kids voting, an uptight old white man will be in the White House this next election.

If a Woman runs on the Democratic Ticket, the only chance she will win is if the Republicans put up a Woman as well.

As for Hillary herself, I would vote for her. I voted for her for the Senate. But, if she ran for President, the Republican Hate Machine would talk and talk about her past problems and failures. And as I said, she would not only have her own problems but her husbands as well.

Republicans are great at spinning anything the Democrats say or do. Jesus Christ, they got her husband impeached for lying about getting a blow job. I can see it now..."She showed weakness by staying with a husband that admitted to cheating on her, how could she be trusted to be strong when we need her?"

It's a horrible fact that the US is not ready for a Woman President. Maybe, just maybe, we are ready for a Woman Vice President. But even that is risky.

docholly · 2006-05-11, 08:47 AM

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As I said, men between 45 and 65 are not ready for a Woman President. And the Women, many still believe their place is in the home and not the White House.

I have to repectfully disagree..

since 'we' burned our bras in the late 60's and early 70's .. those of us who went through the glass ceiling are now 50-65.. I mean it was a BIG deal when Shirley Chisholm was elected to Congress--the 1st woman-- in 1969.. and a black woman at that from Brooklyn.. which at the time was mainly Italian, Jewish and Caribbean.

so it is very unlikely in that age group that you would find a woman who still thinks her place is in the home. Now those over 65.. well that's a whole 'nother story.

Uninformed woman might vote for Hillary because of her gender but well informed and educated women will vote for the best candidate, gender aside. Geraldine Ferraro didn't get elected because she wasn't the best candidate, not because of her gender.

just my opinion, repectfully.

Jim · 2006-05-11, 09:03 AM

I really hope I am wrong. We (non-republicans) have a real chance of getting rid of war mongers in the White House. I just hope it doesn't get screwed up by trying to move too fast. Obviously, most voters know it's time for a change. Just not that big of a change.

As for Geraldine Ferraro as the Vice Presidential candidate...When voting for President and Vice President, most people really never care about the Vice President. That year might have been the exception. Of course, Walter Mondale was not a great candidate either.

Isn't that the real problem with Democrats? They almost never put their best foot forward. Clinton was the exception to that rule. He was smart and knew how to talk to people. Besides him, who have the Democrats put up in recent history? Most of us probably can't even remember.

karomesis · 2006-05-11, 11:35 AM

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I would actually vote for McCain over Hillary.

Meatpounder, are you aware of the mcCain/feingold act? It scares the living shit out of me because it infringes directly on the freedom of speech...a VERY dangerous precedent.

I sincerely hope it does not continue in this fashion.

MeatPounder · 2006-05-11, 11:07 AM

I would actually vote for McCain over Hillary.
I think it is way past due for a woman president, but I still do not think the country will vote for one as of yet.
Even if they were, I definately do not beleive that Ms Clinton is the woman for the job.

Jim · 2006-05-12, 01:35 PM

Funny you mention Madeline Albright. She was on the Colbert Report last night. And she said, when people that could be President in the line of succession were briefed on what to do in the case of Nuclear attack, she was left out. To be President, you have to be born in the US. She was born in Prague and can never be President.

DJilla · 2006-05-12, 02:59 PM

Colbert Report. This guy is great. But I haven't seen his new show, cancelled digital cause I never watch it. Are you hip to this buzz about the Pres Bush roast the other night? A good example of the digital divide. Most of the media only showed that dufus imitation dude mimicking Bush but actually Colbert was the MAIN entertainer and he ripped Bush and the assembled media for all they were worth. "If less government is best government then we're doing great in Iraq"

Apparently he got hardly any laughs because everbody was terrified to do so. The mainstream press barely mentioned him for the same reason. In the websphere, all the blogs were a buzz with how funny he was and courageous and over the last couple of days the Washington Post, NY Times, other biggies user feedback sections were flooded with complaints, accusations, and the like over how the press has just rolled over to Bush. Like 90% of comments were flaming the mainstream press for ignoring him.

Two cultures, two information outlets. Two points of view. the old guard is falling. National newspaper circ. fell again last year 2.5%

Trev · 2006-05-12, 06:21 PM

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...tephen+colbert here ya go DJilla... It was on CSpan, but I think they are done repeating it. There are a few links to it in this thread tho, I believe.

DJilla · 2006-05-12, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Trev

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...tephen+colbert here ya go DJilla... It was on CSpan, but I think they are done repeating it. There are a few links to it in this thread tho, I believe.

Wow! How did I miss that thread? Shows you how out of it I am. I thought that it was only a few days ago and its been almost two weeks. Thanks! Reading that thread reminded me of the rest of the story which is as you know C-Span broadcast the event but no media showed cuts of Colbert only the double bush. However, the video was all over the net. C-Span went on an immediate cease and desist hunt and threatened everybody. They're selling the DVD for $24.95

2006-05-12, 02:59 PM	#8
DJilla You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 525	Colbert Report. This guy is great. But I haven't seen his new show, cancelled digital cause I never watch it. Are you hip to this buzz about the Pres Bush roast the other night? A good example of the digital divide. Most of the media only showed that dufus imitation dude mimicking Bush but actually Colbert was the MAIN entertainer and he ripped Bush and the assembled media for all they were worth. "If less government is best government then we're doing great in Iraq" Apparently he got hardly any laughs because everbody was terrified to do so. The mainstream press barely mentioned him for the same reason. In the websphere, all the blogs were a buzz with how funny he was and courageous and over the last couple of days the Washington Post, NY Times, other biggies user feedback sections were flooded with complaints, accusations, and the like over how the press has just rolled over to Bush. Like 90% of comments were flaming the mainstream press for ignoring him. Two cultures, two information outlets. Two points of view. the old guard is falling. National newspaper circ. fell again last year 2.5% __________________ Submit Free Sites, Blogs, Movies, TGP's, Triple XXX Info

2006-05-12, 06:21 PM	#9
Trev Is it over already? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: the beautiful shores of Lake Erie Posts: 890	http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...tephen+colbert here ya go DJilla... It was on CSpan, but I think they are done repeating it. There are a few links to it in this thread tho, I believe. __________________ Hey buddy... can you spare a sig?

2006-05-11, 08:31 AM	#2
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	You just need to look at who actually votes. http://www.census.gov/population/soc...004/tab04b.xls The largest being between 45 and 64 The lowest being over the age of 75 and the next to lowest, 18-24 As I said, men between 45 and 65 are not ready for a Woman President. And the Women, many still believe their place is in the home and not the White House. If more 18-24 year olds were to stop protesting everything and do the important thing (vote) a Woman might have a chance. But, with only about 11% of these kids voting, an uptight old white man will be in the White House this next election. If a Woman runs on the Democratic Ticket, the only chance she will win is if the Republicans put up a Woman as well. As for Hillary herself, I would vote for her. I voted for her for the Senate. But, if she ran for President, the Republican Hate Machine would talk and talk about her past problems and failures. And as I said, she would not only have her own problems but her husbands as well. Republicans are great at spinning anything the Democrats say or do. Jesus Christ, they got her husband impeached for lying about getting a blow job. I can see it now..."She showed weakness by staying with a husband that admitted to cheating on her, how could she be trusted to be strong when we need her?" It's a horrible fact that the US is not ready for a Woman President. Maybe, just maybe, we are ready for a Woman Vice President. But even that is risky.

2006-05-11, 09:03 AM	#4
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	I really hope I am wrong. We (non-republicans) have a real chance of getting rid of war mongers in the White House. I just hope it doesn't get screwed up by trying to move too fast. Obviously, most voters know it's time for a change. Just not that big of a change. As for Geraldine Ferraro as the Vice Presidential candidate...When voting for President and Vice President, most people really never care about the Vice President. That year might have been the exception. Of course, Walter Mondale was not a great candidate either. Isn't that the real problem with Democrats? They almost never put their best foot forward. Clinton was the exception to that rule. He was smart and knew how to talk to people. Besides him, who have the Democrats put up in recent history? Most of us probably can't even remember.

2006-05-11, 11:07 AM	#6
MeatPounder Women might be able to fake orgasms But men can fake whole relationships Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl Posts: 2,408	I would actually vote for McCain over Hillary. I think it is way past due for a woman president, but I still do not think the country will vote for one as of yet. Even if they were, I definately do not beleive that Ms Clinton is the woman for the job.

2006-05-12, 01:35 PM	#7
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	Funny you mention Madeline Albright. She was on the Colbert Report last night. And she said, when people that could be President in the line of succession were briefed on what to do in the case of Nuclear attack, she was left out. To be President, you have to be born in the US. She was born in Prague and can never be President.