Are These New Piece Of Shit Options Now Standard In NATS?

[Qon]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

No one is bashing anyone... We have asked some legitimate questions, and as usual those that have the answers have treated us with contempt yet again.

DamnQ - what is your input in this? that you like NATS? Well "whoopee" for you - you could have said that in one line........

bashing = criticizing something without actual evidence that it is the cause of the problem. you and many others are doing that. insert whatever software/program into that. its obvious YOU don't like nats... if u would read what i said before, my entire point is based on logic. YOUR point is finding a scapegoat for a problem rather than finding a resolution.

1) there are errors in the USE of the nats affiliate software that can cause the changes in ratio that all of you are complaining about. because many of the "new" programs with slick designs & nats on the backend LOOK good, doesn't mean there are people there are 100% competent at running the software. hell, anyone can make a mistake so this certainly is a possibility as i have made errors during my learning curve while using the software that caused this. even a data stream setup problem with the processors can cause missing rebills BUT THAT ISN'T NATS FAULT.

Originally Posted by DangerDave

Yes.. NATS is coping some heat here and so they should... Legitimate questions have been asked and though they don't believe it(just yet) the opinions posted here do matter, and their product is being damaged.

so your point is to damage their product and not find a resolution? no one is going to stop using a good product simply because there are "haters".... ask Bill Gates. most of the complaints i've seen are cosmetic, personal issues that just have to do with your comfort level when accessing affiliate resources within the application. your misunderstanding of the software and how it works is apparent based upon your complaints.... your lack of experience and effort to thoroughly research the problem before pointing the finger is painfully obvious. i'm not tryin to insult you, i'm just OBSERVING your posts and your behavior. "NATS IS EVIL, I'M NOT MAKING SALES, IT MUST BE NATS FAULT!" come on dude... u sound like a kid.... really.

Originally Posted by DangerDave

but that said.... NATS/TMM isn't going to answer shit! because they know they don't have too While program owners continue to shell out the big bucks for their backend software.. which IN NO DOUBT assists the program owner in making more $$... they aint gonna say shit.... Which is why they ran away from this thread so fast..

i don't know about you, but i DO have a life offline... family, other offline concerns and distractions. i doubt anyone is running from anything... this sounds like talk from people on that other board rather than experienced, sensible, logical webmasters...

[Useless]

Originally Posted by DamnQ

i don't know about you, but i DO have a life offline... family, other offline concerns and distractions. i doubt anyone is running from anything... this sounds like talk from people on that other board rather than experienced, sensible, logical webmasters...

You know, Q, mabye if you weren't talking to mature experienced webmasters, you wouldn't sound like such a fucking asshole. But that's what you're coming off as. And I'm not saying that just because I'm in complete disagreement with you. And stick that smiley up your ass.

[Greenguy]

This is all nonsense & it's getting stupid.

If John (who has really disappointed me & others) or anyone else from NATS would like to come back & reply to my legit questions:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...8&postcount=51
as well as the legit questions from others, please do so.

Anyone that does not work for NATS is just speculating on the problems like we are & in all reality, your input is not required.

[Qon]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Anyone that does not work for NATS is just speculating on the problems like we are & in all reality, your input is not required.

i think experience counts for something... so basically if we oppose your way of thinking and we don't work for NATs then our input isn't welcomed? |confused|

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by DamnQ

i think experience counts for something... so basically if we oppose your way of thinking and we don't work for NATs then our input isn't welcomed? |confused|

Would I ask you why my cable box isn't working just because you have one as well? No, I'd call the fucking cable company because it's their fucking box. They own it. They programmed it. They're responsible for fixing it.

I'm not opposed to your way of thinking. I'm opposed to you or anyone else that does not work for NATS speaking on their part - especially after we had John from NATS in here answering questions 2 weeks ago. He said he was going to come back. He was on the board reading this thread a couple days ago. He has not posted. This simple fact has me very upset with NATS.

There's a lot of things that I do like about NATS. But some things make me scratch my head. I posted those questions 2 weeks - as did others - and we are all still waiting for replies from a NATS representative.

Personally, I'd love to hear about the scrubbing code that Flash Cash removed.

[Qon]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Would I ask you why my cable box isn't working just because you have one as well? No, I'd call the fucking cable company because it's their fucking box. They own it. They programmed it. They're responsible for fixing it.

so if i used to install cable boxes or repair them then you wouldnt..... awww fuck it

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by DamnQ

no one said its your job...

You really are fucked in the head & I did have a much higher opinion of you until this last post.

1st off, I can't even begin to understand how you can direct those "give me" comments at me. The ONLY thing I need to promote a sponsor is a link code. I barely use hosted galleries & my use of hosted free sites has actually declined over the last 6 months (even though more & more are being released) I only use a handful of banners and I have no use for RSS feeds or blogs or whatever promo material is the current fad.

You know what my job is in affiliate/program relationship? My job is to get surfers to the program's site. That's it - nothing more, nothing less. It is their job to convert & retain them. It's their job to make sure their scripts & servers are working. It's their job to count the hits, credit me with sales & send me my cut of the money.

Sure, I do help out some programs when I see something that needs to be corrected. But I'm doing less & less of that these days as most of the time it falls on deaf ears or I get told to mind my own business (yes, this has happened)

Originally Posted by DamnQ

so if i used to install cable boxes or repair them then you wouldnt..... awww fuck it

Are you saying that you can (but no longer) install & repair NATS software?

[Greenguy]

It's not even that it's more data, but more like the same data that everyone is used to looking at side-by-side sorted into different tables.

I do like seeing the totals on the bottom that say how much was generated & how some sponsors fuck you out of 24% of the gross

Ok - that's it for me. The only other questions/suggestions that I have can really only be address by a NATS rep.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Ok - that's it for me. The only other questions/suggestions that I have can really only be address by a NATS rep.

I am sending this thread to TMM...maybe Albright or Charlie will get in here.

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I am sending this thread to TMM...maybe Albright or Charlie will get in here.

Guess not.

[Useless]

Just a passing thought...

Since many programs who start as CCBill-only and then downgrade to NATs often allow affiliates to maintain their original CCBill links, why don't programs offer the option for us to use CCBill or NATs? I mean, if they are really looking to please the affiliate webmaster, wouldn't that be the smart thing to do? Anyone out there brave enough to do that?

[bluemoney]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Just a passing thought...

Since many programs who start as CCBill-only and then downgrade to NATs often allow affiliates to maintain their original CCBill links, why don't programs offer the option for us to use CCBill or NATs? I mean, if they are really looking to please the affiliate webmaster, wouldn't that be the smart thing to do? Anyone out there brave enough to do that?

Only one off the top of my head that does is Radical Cash

[[BV]]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Just a passing thought...

Since many programs who start as CCBill-only and then downgrade to NATs often allow affiliates to maintain their original CCBill links, why don't programs offer the option for us to use CCBill or NATs? I mean, if they are really looking to please the affiliate webmaster, wouldn't that be the smart thing to do? Anyone out there brave enough to do that?

We do that.


If a program stops using CCBills script and still allows you to use your old CCBill links then they are allowing you to choose either or. (providing they have things set up correctly)

The problem occurs when hits from your CCBill links are sent to the new tour used for the new script.

Any other affiliate scripts are not going to recognise a CCBill code besides theirs. You will still see clicks in your CCBill admin, but you will be seeing no sales in your CCBill admin or the sponsors new admin.

If you are still using your old CCBill link codes the sponsor should have a CCBill tour set up just for that traffic. If not chances are that sales are not being tracked.

Here is an example of how BikiniVoyeur works. It was originally only using CCBill's script and still does for this style of link: http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...0000&PA=620577
will take you to the CCBill tour here: http://www.bikinivoyeur.com/index-ccb.php

Our new codes looks like so:
http://www.bikinivoyeur.com/affil.php?affilid=147 and will take you to its own tour here: http://www.bikinivoyeur.com/index2.php

If you notice both tours look similar but the CCBill tour has a different join page that's able to track the ccbill link code.

If I was to send that traffic to the other tour no affiliate sales would be tracked.

[lassiter]

I just spent some time computing my conversion ratios for the year (yeah, it might be thrown off by a last-minute massive surge of NY Eve sales, but I doubt it).

Anyway, I found something of minor interest here. Both my best-convering sponsor (at 1:213) and my worst-converting sponsor (0 sales out of over 23,000 uniques |shocking|) use NATS.

So NATS alone is obviously not costing me sales or loss of ratios, but I do suspect that the way NATS is set up by individual sponsors to count sales may well be a factor.

Alas, I have no data for any of my CCBill sponsors yet, since CCBill's stats are giving me error messages if I try to grab more than one pay period worth of stats at a time.

[[BV]]

Originally Posted by lassiter

I just spent some time computing my conversion ratios for the year (yeah, it might be thrown off by a last-minute massive surge of NY Eve sales, but I doubt it).

Anyway, I found something of minor interest here. Both my best-convering sponsor (at 1:213) and my worst-converting sponsor (0 sales out of over 23,000 uniques |shocking|) use NATS.

So NATS alone is obviously not costing me sales or loss of ratios, but I do suspect that the way NATS is set up by individual sponsors to count sales may well be a factor.

Alas, I have no data for any of my CCBill sponsors yet, since CCBill's stats are giving me error messages if I try to grab more than one pay period worth of stats at a time.

Is the 1:213 first page, second page, or join page ratio?
If it's 1st page then thats a dam good ratio.

[Toby]

KatVixen's CCBill program still works even after the site was added to JayMan Cash.

[Simon]

Originally Posted by Greenie

4000+ active paysite links

Anyone have any hard data on whether there'd be any SE benefit to having those 4,000+ paysite links pointing to pages on your own server instead of pointing off-site to the paysite urls directly?

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Simon

Anyone have any hard data on whether there'd be any SE benefit to having those 4,000+ paysite links pointing to pages on your own server instead of pointing off-site to the paysite urls directly?

I think most spiders notice that the php links get instantly redirected, so probably not.

[[BV]]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I think most spiders notice that the php links get instantly redirected, so probably not.

yes, same as all your CCBill links. You might as well create 2000 inbound links to your own domains and create your your own link popularity for your own domains rather than CCBill or other sponsors.


Say you had 10 or whatever domains set up for all different niches or however you wanted to do it.

Would be much better, but I agree starting now would be a task but it's never too late to start, and it's clearly a no brain-er win win situation afterwards.

[Greenguy]

For the love of we are really off topic - lol

I might have to go thru this thread, drag out the legit questions & start a "Attn: NATS Rep: Please Answer These Questions" thread.

[Allfetish]

This is an extremely interesting thread that I missed before.

Greenie, did you ever publish your list of pre and post NATS?

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Allfetish

...Greenie, did you ever publish your list of pre and post NATS?

I never published them because there were only 2 or 3 sposnors that I had a decent amount of before & after data for (and those were pretty much the same)

But I can go thru some now, like Meat Cash would be a great one for me to compare.

Any other ideas? Who else did Dee Cash buy up where I'd have 6 months of Nats stats to go with my pre-nats numbers.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I never published them because there were only 2 or 3 sposnors that I had a decent amount of before & after data for (and those were pretty much the same)

But I can go thru some now, like Meat Cash would be a great one for me to compare.

Any other ideas? Who else did Dee Cash buy up where I'd have 6 months of Nats stats to go with my pre-nats numbers.

Meatcash. Oh how I loved you so.

As Grennie well knows, the day Meatcash changed to NATS my stats plummeted. My belief was and still is, that this is because from day1 of their NATS install they moved to a 1 hour cookie life. They had always been good to me, up until they realized how much more money they could make by taking away my return sales. The surfers I introduced to their product that came back after the 1 hour cookie had died off.

I believe I lost 90% of my sales and eventually income as the rebills died off from that one paradigm shift.

Of course now I've heard that Dee has cancelled production on most of their sites now and rebills are declining as well.

Given those factors, maybe Meatcash isn't that great a choice of comparison.

[dunc]

Originally Posted by Preacher

Meatcash changed to NATS my stats plummeted. My belief was and still is, that this is because from day1 of their NATS install they moved to a 1 hour cookie life.

Wow - this just pissed me off, because I just built a site promoting Meat Cash

[Mateusz]

Originally Posted by Preacher

My belief was and still is, that this is because from day1 of their NATS install they moved to a 1 hour cookie life.

I believe I lost 90% of my sales and eventually income as the rebills died off from that one paradigm shift.

Fucking great. I just added all of their sites to my banner rotator something like a week ago. Now I need to waste some more time to remove them