I'm As Mad As Hell, And I'm Not Going To Take This Anymore!

[justbondage]

Originally Posted by nekrom

The online income that is generated in adult with visa/mc is but a drop in the bucket compared to mainstream non-adult.

-N

Possibly, but it is still a lot of money.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by justbondage

Visa and Mastercard are making too much money to pull out, and even if they did find out (I am almost 100% certain they already know) unless it is illegal activity, they have far bigger things to be worrying about.

Visa proved a long time ago what it thinks about the adult industry and its willingness to say, "fuck you and your money and the headaches you've created." We'd be fucked without Visa - Visa would be fine without us.

[justbondage]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Visa proved a long time ago what it thinks about the adult industry and its willingness to say, "fuck you and your money and the headaches you've created." We'd be fucked without Visa - Visa would be fine without us.

Why, what did they do?

[Mr. Blue]

Funny when Toby posted this on another forum I asked if he got the Link List guys opinion on it. I figured you guys would have a lot more piss and vinegar then TGP guys and sure enough...lol

Originally Posted by bluemoney

My take! There is a line between “suggestive selling” and “sneaky selling”

blueeee, lol, it's not exactly an ideal scientific experiment you set up there. What I mean to say is if my father brought me to a porn page and asked me to signup I'd start questioning what the hell he was up to and I'd be expecting a behind the head. So I'm pretty sure he was more observant then he'd be in a real situation:

Real situation, hand on dick, trying to join quickly while typing with one hand. There's a good chance you might not notice pre-checked cross sales below the submit button, especially if he's a cheapskate and buying a trial. If someone is buying a trial, it essentially means they want something on the cheap, not an extra $80 in passes. That guy will never buy another membership after that experience.

With all that said though, I do support Toby, but at the same time realize the inevitability of the situation. Sponsors do this because they’re catering to what some affiliates want and they have to keep up with the Joneses. I personally think pre-checked cross sales below the submit is shady as shit, it hurts the business, but it just gets added onto the very long list of things that hurt the industry. I mean when you see a site like XNXX, a once fine traffic source, turning into a tube site giving away 30 minute videos…umm…yeah, you can see as an industry we don’t always do what’s best in preserving what we have.

[bluemoney]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

blueeee, lol, it's not exactly an ideal scientific experiment you set up there.

That's true! . . . . although I was wearing my lab coat & goggles at the time

[Toby]

There are lots of ways to "shave" the affiliate that don't involve manipulating the data after the sale. I'd have to agree that cross sales on revshare is certainly one of many.

However, that wasn't my concern when I started this thread. I'm more concerned with the deceptive use of cross sales to take advantage of the customer. Whether they actually charge back or not, they're not likely to buy a porn site membership again anytime soon.

[Bobc01]

That example Toby posted up is very deceptive, it's not clear at all what you're getting.

$80 could mean alot to some people that can't afford it so shame on the desperate sponsors that mislead people like this.
If they need a fix that badly they only have to say and we'll have a whip round.

[CD Smith]

I'll have to agree with EC on this one. Those programs that have the prechecked stuff hidden from view are the ones I have the real problem with. It's shady, it's deceptive, and it's for all intents and purposes straight-up thievery.

Having them visible on the page is nothing compared to that.