Are Tube Sites Gonna Die...Soon? - Page 2

Pagan · 2009-01-09, 01:09 AM

Do y'all remember way way back to when the net was all nice and shiny and new, and everyone seemed to know a place where you could get stolen porn pics for free? Did they hurt paysite sales? Did they hurt free site builders? And the same thing happened with Usenet. Oh, the stuff we could get back then! Tons and tons of free stuff -- small, grainy pictures. 9 out of a series of 10 with always the best one missing or broken. The first 3/4 of a story with the great fuck scenes missing.

When paysites came along, didn't a lot of the BBS users and Usenet groupies move over to them? I sure knew a lot who did. They had their favorites all bookmarked and we would swap links (and sometimes passwords). Wow, then we had movies in different formats.

File sharing is blamed for a lot of the demise in the music industry, but, stop and think here. A true fan is still going to BUY the CD even when they can get it for free because the information is there, or they collect that artist, or any other goofy reason you can think of. If the product is quality, the people will pay for it. Yes, I still buy CDs and DVDs because I do collect certain ones. I ignore the rest. If I want just one song, I can pay for that download.

The same is going to hold true in this industry. The people who adore the free clips are not the same ones who want to drool over that monster picture you posted. We do want someone (not us because we have bills to pay) to host some of the clips to show the freeloaders what they are missing, and we do want to be teasing them with tantalizing images from great sponsors.

We are smart people - we can do this. Tube Schmoobe - just another flash in the pan. Will it outlast the 8 track tape? Oh, or maybe Betamax??

comm · 2009-01-10, 09:39 PM

tube sites are definitely here to stay, surfer demand is too high

sogetthis · 2009-01-18, 05:22 AM

Anyone who thinks tube "porn" sites will be gone anytime soon is out of their mind, whether it's legal or not. Countries like Sweden host ThePirateBay (among others) and don't give a shit about organisations like the RIAA & MPA why should they even care about the puny porn companies? As long as their is DMCA tube sites will never be shut down (in the USA).

And even if the loophole in the DMCA is ever closed down all you will see is the mass exodus of these sites to countries like Sweden, Russian etc. Really there is no stopping this now, either adapt or fail (yes it sucks, but if you were around when people first started building TGPs this was exactly the same they were saying then)... the reason all these tube sites are taking top rankings is not due to the massive amount of links it is due to the massive amounts of traffic that is coming to these sites.

Google now factors in alot more than just links in it's system, infact it has been proven many times that google factors in usage data as well as links.

Like it or hate it, there is no closing down these tube sites. If you close down one another will take it's place probably bigger, wider and with more hunger...the only way to control this is at the source....CONTENT! If paysite owners do not start protecting their content in proper ways this whole industry will fall flat on it's knees.

simple as. It's a dog eat dog world out there and no one takes any prisoners, for one Iam relishing the chance of a new beggining. Tube submitters will become the new gallery submitters & video editors will be in high demand to ensure maximum promotion minimum pleasure..... and this is how it should be.

sogetthis · 2009-01-18, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainJSparrow

I'm probably the least savy wm here when it comes to tube sites. The little that I know about them is:

1) Most of the content is stolen from the paysites, not submitted by surfers
2) Tube sites make their $$$ from promoting AFF, Fling, and Live Chat..and the dating sites make their $$$ by scamming with Cross Sales (which MC has just basically killed, and hopefully VISA will follow suit).

I have some questions that some of you may know the answer to and be willing to share:

1) With AFF desperately trying to do an IPO (kinda hard for any company with the recession and I'd imagine exponentially harder for a failing adult site) and losing the ability Cross Sell, hence losing funds, and the ability to pay the tube sites...does this spell the end of tube sites?
2) How did the tube sites get such massive backlinks...the ones that I've seen at the top of Google had 300k+ backlinks. Who's trading with these fuckers? Are they scamming Google and the other engines that rely on backlinks as part of their ranking protocols, by artificially increasing their backlinks? If so, how?

CJS

You sir are a twit.

1) On most of the larger tube sites most of the content is "nowadays bought DVD content" from producers, yes they still contain alot of illegal videos but they harbor under the safe haven of DMCA (which is 100% legal!), until rights holder tells them to take them down they are entitled to keep them on their site. THAT IS THE LAW!

2) You would be surprised how much traffic & sales a tube site can send from one full length video, it is alot more than 99.9% of TGP,MGP or LinkLists can hope to send in a single day. As well as the amount of trafic which gets your "brand" out there. You would be surprised how many "trusted" companies are working with these sites.

3) AFF don't deperately need an IPO, if you even knew how stock markets works you would realise AFF is not in trouble, infact it is Penthouse who owe the debt to the previous owners, worst comes to worse the previous owners pursue the debts and take control of AFF + Penthouse (wow !)

4) Viral marketing is the key, they give people the tools to simply embed their videos onto other sites, which means tons of other "webmasters" promote their brand. This plus the massive amounts of traffic + easy access content make it very easy to grow way faster than any TGP/MGP/Paysite/Linklist could ever do.

also anyone who believes tubes will go bankrupt via hosting costs are just crazy, when you run that amount of bandwidth through a host the discounts are MASSIVE, simply because the amount of extra bandwidth you run through the system allows the host to barter for better prices.

simple, they are here to stay.... if the MPAA & RIAA cannot get rid of sites like surfthechannel, how do you expect porn companies to get rid of sites like redtube, porntube, keez, pornhub etc etc..... It is never going to happen...

Ms Naughty · 2009-01-18, 08:27 AM

Hmm, you're here with 2 posts calling Captain Sparrow a twit.

If everything you say is true (any references behind what you assert?), I wouldn't be saying it in such a cocky manner. If Pirate Bay is the future, we might as well start flipping burgers now.

I think this is the one thing people need to stop and think about. If you want everything for free, who's gonna bother to make it for you? Where's the incentive to keep busting your butt if people just rip it off?

Toby · 2009-01-18, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

Hmm, you're here with 2 posts calling Captain Sparrow a twit.

If everything you say is true...

Yup, great way to start off.

There's at least one item in his second post that is blatanty incorrect. All the other unsubstantiated "facts" are also questionable.

CaptainJSparrow · 2009-01-18, 11:23 AM

sogetthis, I have a question for you. You said:

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2) You would be surprised how much traffic & sales a tube site can send from one full length video, it is alot more than 99.9% of TGP,MGP or LinkLists can hope to send in a single day. As well as the amount of trafic which gets your "brand" out there. You would be surprised how many "trusted" companies are working with these sites.

Can you show us some examples of these tube sites that you refer to that are promoting paysites (I'm assuming that's what you mean by "trusted" companies), and doing a good job of it?

HowlingWulf · 2009-01-19, 12:30 PM

Hey LB, good comments. Can you explain how surfers submit legal clips to legal tubes? I would like to get into that but I don't know where/how to submit. Are WMs submitting short sponsor clips (30sec - 2min) or are they buying their own clips to submit?

LB · 2009-01-19, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HowlingWulf

Hey LB, good comments. Can you explain how surfers submit legal clips to legal tubes? I would like to get into that but I don't know where/how to submit. Are WMs submitting short sponsor clips (30sec - 2min) or are they buying their own clips to submit?

On my tube site we actually only list 20-40 new videos a day and all are reviewed. I also supply a spot for a hard affiliate link and tend not to list videos that aren't webmaster uploads obviously using legit sponsor content. Have a list of sponsors and sites I know don't want their content on the tubes so I don't approve them, and have a lot of sponsors happy to upload their stuff so generally its not much work.

My suggestion to you is to stick to 1-2 min clips, check with your sponsor first before you upload them (most sponsors are fine with tube submits but some do have a few rules you should hear from them first).

Its not going to be long before tube sites like mine go partner account submit only though. Just like with tgps and linklists you get idiots who submit illegal or obviously stolen stuff without a care. As for ratios from my experience your content sells ... and you could experience anything from 1:20 to 1:1000 depending on the tube and the content.

Unfortunately the number of tubes taking webmaster uploads are dwindling.

CaptainJSparrow · 2009-01-19, 03:03 PM

Thanks LB...I'm glad that you did reply to this post.

CaptainJSparrow · 2009-01-19, 03:06 PM

LB...would you care to share the url of your tube site?

LB · 2009-01-19, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainJSparrow

LB...would you care to share the url of your tube site?

Not sure the current board policies re spamming so threw you a pm mate.

CaptainJSparrow · 2009-01-19, 05:35 PM

Thanks LB...I sent you a PM as well.

Ms Naughty · 2009-01-19, 10:57 PM

Hey thanks for your reply LB. I'm prepared to look at things a different way if someone trustworthy can give me reliable information about a topic.

I was actually looking at this free script the other day: http://www.vidiscript.com/

Wondering how I could make use of it without giving away the farm (or going broke from bandwidth usage). The thing that stopped me considering it further is it has user submits built into it. If I was going to make a tube-type site I would want it to be completely under my control, with me choosing what clips were on the site (no legal issues then). If I could get this script without the interactivity, that would be great. And then yeah, I could use it like a "sampler" for sponsors (or for For The Girls).

LB I'm curious about your site too. Want to see what a viable one looks like

LB · 2009-01-20, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

I was actually looking at this free script the other day: http://www.vidiscript.com/

We got a script called Soho which is no longer available but it required hundreds of hours of programming work and improvements. Nowadays there are some good scripts and I have heard of that script, though still think every script comes with limitations. Ask around is all I can suggest

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Wondering how I could make use of it without giving away the farm (or going broke from bandwidth usage). The thing that stopped me considering it further is it has user submits built into it. If I was going to make a tube-type site I would want it to be completely under my control, with me choosing what clips were on the site (no legal issues then). If I could get this script without the interactivity, that would be great. And then yeah, I could use it like a "sampler" for sponsors (or for For The Girls).

If you are wanting a tube script without submits there are quite a few out there which I call "Fake Tubes" like fake tgps which use sponsor hosted galleries. There are even some scripts where you dont have to host the content!! Only problem with those easy content tube scripts is that everyone is sharing the same content and surfers do tend to hunt down tubes with more variety. Again look around

Legality and user submits have been my biggest worry of them all, but have it under control. If you intend to run a tube with user submits I strongly suggest you vet them first, otherwise if you have the time (or a script which can pull from fhg's/flv's) then use sponsor hosted content. You really cant go wrong with a fake tube using sponsor hosted content.. very little risk and a nice way to get your foot in the door.

GonZo · 2009-01-21, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

Hey thanks for your reply LB. I'm prepared to look at things a different way if someone trustworthy can give me reliable information about a topic.

I was actually looking at this free script the other day: http://www.vidiscript.com/

Wondering how I could make use of it without giving away the farm (or going broke from bandwidth usage). The thing that stopped me considering it further is it has user submits built into it. If I was going to make a tube-type site I would want it to be completely under my control, with me choosing what clips were on the site (no legal issues then). If I could get this script without the interactivity, that would be great. And then yeah, I could use it like a "sampler" for sponsors (or for For The Girls).

LB I'm curious about your site too. Want to see what a viable one looks like

Theres also tubefeeder.aebn.net.
Hosted vid clips on our sites that link to your theatre.

You can even handpick the videos you want included on your sites.

2009-01-09, 01:09 AM	#1
Pagan Perverted Empress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 5,114	Do y'all remember way way back to when the net was all nice and shiny and new, and everyone seemed to know a place where you could get stolen porn pics for free? Did they hurt paysite sales? Did they hurt free site builders? And the same thing happened with Usenet. Oh, the stuff we could get back then! Tons and tons of free stuff -- small, grainy pictures. 9 out of a series of 10 with always the best one missing or broken. The first 3/4 of a story with the great fuck scenes missing. When paysites came along, didn't a lot of the BBS users and Usenet groupies move over to them? I sure knew a lot who did. They had their favorites all bookmarked and we would swap links (and sometimes passwords). Wow, then we had movies in different formats. File sharing is blamed for a lot of the demise in the music industry, but, stop and think here. A true fan is still going to BUY the CD even when they can get it for free because the information is there, or they collect that artist, or any other goofy reason you can think of. If the product is quality, the people will pay for it. Yes, I still buy CDs and DVDs because I do collect certain ones. I ignore the rest. If I want just one song, I can pay for that download. The same is going to hold true in this industry. The people who adore the free clips are not the same ones who want to drool over that monster picture you posted. We do want someone (not us because we have bills to pay) to host some of the clips to show the freeloaders what they are missing, and we do want to be teasing them with tantalizing images from great sponsors. We are smart people - we can do this. Tube Schmoobe - just another flash in the pan. Will it outlast the 8 track tape? Oh, or maybe Betamax?? __________________ Is it naptime yet?

2009-01-18, 08:27 AM	#5
Ms Naughty old enough to be Grandma Scrotum Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,408	Hmm, you're here with 2 posts calling Captain Sparrow a twit. If everything you say is true (any references behind what you assert?), I wouldn't be saying it in such a cocky manner. If Pirate Bay is the future, we might as well start flipping burgers now. I think this is the one thing people need to stop and think about. If you want everything for free, who's gonna bother to make it for you? Where's the incentive to keep busting your butt if people just rip it off? __________________ Promote Bright Desire

2009-01-19, 12:30 PM	#8
HowlingWulf Me fail English? That's unpossible! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: FL Posts: 1,381	Hey LB, good comments. Can you explain how surfers submit legal clips to legal tubes? I would like to get into that but I don't know where/how to submit. Are WMs submitting short sponsor clips (30sec - 2min) or are they buying their own clips to submit? __________________ WordPress Porn directory theme => Maddos Create a Porn Tube => Video Pornster

2009-01-19, 10:57 PM	#14
Ms Naughty old enough to be Grandma Scrotum Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,408	Hey thanks for your reply LB. I'm prepared to look at things a different way if someone trustworthy can give me reliable information about a topic. I was actually looking at this free script the other day: http://www.vidiscript.com/ Wondering how I could make use of it without giving away the farm (or going broke from bandwidth usage). The thing that stopped me considering it further is it has user submits built into it. If I was going to make a tube-type site I would want it to be completely under my control, with me choosing what clips were on the site (no legal issues then). If I could get this script without the interactivity, that would be great. And then yeah, I could use it like a "sampler" for sponsors (or for For The Girls). LB I'm curious about your site too. Want to see what a viable one looks like __________________ Promote Bright Desire

2009-01-10, 09:39 PM	#2
comm A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 54	tube sites are definitely here to stay, surfer demand is too high

2009-01-18, 05:22 AM	#3
sogetthis Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2	Anyone who thinks tube "porn" sites will be gone anytime soon is out of their mind, whether it's legal or not. Countries like Sweden host ThePirateBay (among others) and don't give a shit about organisations like the RIAA & MPA why should they even care about the puny porn companies? As long as their is DMCA tube sites will never be shut down (in the USA). And even if the loophole in the DMCA is ever closed down all you will see is the mass exodus of these sites to countries like Sweden, Russian etc. Really there is no stopping this now, either adapt or fail (yes it sucks, but if you were around when people first started building TGPs this was exactly the same they were saying then)... the reason all these tube sites are taking top rankings is not due to the massive amount of links it is due to the massive amounts of traffic that is coming to these sites. Google now factors in alot more than just links in it's system, infact it has been proven many times that google factors in usage data as well as links. Like it or hate it, there is no closing down these tube sites. If you close down one another will take it's place probably bigger, wider and with more hunger...the only way to control this is at the source....CONTENT! If paysite owners do not start protecting their content in proper ways this whole industry will fall flat on it's knees. simple as. It's a dog eat dog world out there and no one takes any prisoners, for one Iam relishing the chance of a new beggining. Tube submitters will become the new gallery submitters & video editors will be in high demand to ensure maximum promotion minimum pleasure..... and this is how it should be.

2009-01-19, 03:03 PM	#10
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	Thanks LB...I'm glad that you did reply to this post.

2009-01-19, 03:06 PM	#11
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	LB...would you care to share the url of your tube site?

2009-01-19, 05:35 PM	#13
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	Thanks LB...I sent you a PM as well.