1st freesite review appriciated - Page 2

Pagan · 2005-02-09, 11:16 AM

GG, I have always respected you and listened carefully to what you say. Your LL is one of the best and it is always an honor to be listed. I do have to respectfully disagree with you about the free hosting for BetaBrigade. Sarma happens to be one of the newer members who doesn't yet have the resources to pay for his own hosting. The guys at BetaBrigade believed in him enough to assist him. That isn't a free host - his pages have nothing on there but what he himself has placed. It won't lead the surfer to some unknown place, and it won't disappear next week or next month because somebody got tired of hosting all those sites for free.

Rather, a band of very experienced webmasters got together and have taken newbies (and some crusty oldies) under their wing and are trying to teach them to build sites that you (and other LL owners) would like to list. Yeah, sure.. some of these guys are using sponsor content for now, and don't pay directly for their hosting, but how else do you learn? And.. not all of the BB is using the assisted option or sponsor content totally.. I have been paying for my hosting for 2 years now, and own a good amount of my own content.

Y'all can be a tough bunch to please...

Greenguy · 2005-02-09, 12:38 PM

I really do love how all this is directed back at me because I'm the one that posted that it is free hosting, when like I said, 99.44% of the Link List owners that I know feel the same way.

No one called out Linkster when he said it was free hosting a few days ago:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=15763

sorry to throw you under the bus, Linkster - LOL |bus|

Quote:

Originally Posted by REBEL

...The recruits are exclusively promoting Netpondcash at the present time.

Hosting provided by the sponsor in exchange for the promotion of their sites & their sites only is still "free hosting"

Quote:

Originally Posted by facialfreak

...I have devoted ALOT of my time to helping these individuals, and they are a great bunch. I would put my reputation on the line to tell you that they are not cheaters, but I can see I am wasting my breath ..

Back 4 or 5 years ago when I banned free hosting completely, I had a lot of friends that ran free hosts - Rowdy being one & Condom's was still around as well. It really is too bad that a few bad apples ruin it for everyone, but I'm not gonna sit here & allow certain people to break the rules & not allow others to do the same. The same thing goes for the rules on counters, the rules on new windows - fuck, most of the rules that Link Lists have in place are based on a handful of people bending the rules of what are legit webmaster practices.

You guys are really beating a dead horse trying to convert me on this subject, because it ain't gonna happen.

It's very simple:
Buy a domain.
Put it in your name.
Get your own hosting.
Receive an invoice once a month from you host & pay them out of your own pocket.

Hosting is cheap - dirt cheap compared to 3 or 4 years ago. If you can't pay for your own hosting, you really should reconsider this as a business.

budz · 2005-02-09, 01:07 PM

omg, I almost posted a picture of a dead horse awhile ago,. couldnt find any good ones tho

JohnnyRS · 2005-02-09, 01:56 PM

Hi All. I'm apart of Beta Brigade also but I'm using my own paid hosting to submit once I knew it was considered Free hosting. I remember the days of free hosting and I even had some listed on your site, greenguy, before 2000. I even remember the days of condom. Those were the days I made good money. I've advanced from my free hosting days. Now I'm paying for my own hosting. Learning a lot from BB and from here of course. I understand your point about it being kind of like a sponsored free host. I just wish there was a way to help some of these newbies the way it was for the first Beta brigade. I was fortunate to be in on the first one and was able to transfer my domain to my paid hosting when the first one stopped. Linkster made a good point that when the first Beta brigade was over lot of the sites were redirected or disappeared. I guess I'm one of those crusty oldies that Pagan talked about. I'm glad this issue was at least discussed so we all know the reasons behind it. Thanks Greenguy.

Pagan · 2005-02-09, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I really do love how all this is directed back at me because I'm the one that posted that it is free hosting, when like I said, 99.44% of the Link List owners that I know feel the same way.

No one called out Linkster when he said it was free hosting a few days ago:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=15763

sorry to throw you under the bus, Linkster - LOL |bus|
<snip>
It's very simple:
Buy a domain.
Put it in your name.
Get your own hosting.
Receive an invoice once a month from you host & pay them out of your own pocket.

Hosting is cheap - dirt cheap compared to 3 or 4 years ago. If you can't pay for your own hosting, you really should reconsider this as a business.

GG, your voice carries a huge amount of weight. When you say something, it becomes carved in stone in some places. That doesn't mean you are a god of some sort, just a very well-respected, well-informed guy. I don't know Linkster as well...

As to the hosting, I found a great deal on mine.. I get 18 gigs of traffic per month and 100 gigs of space for about $60 per year. I will be turning my platoon on to my sources, believe me. I do have to thank you, GG, for being one of the ones to get me to make the move to paid hosting.

dandith · 2005-02-09, 06:41 PM

I just wanted to put my 2 cent's in. While I use beta brigade hosting on some things, I also have more then one paid hosting account.

I just want to make sure that just because it's netpondcash stuff it's not considered beta brigade hosting. Note, I do understand some is getting "overused sponsor content". But as a webmaster that pays for hosting and uses there own content at times. I don't want to be classified as a free hoster because I promote netpondcash.

I'm going to hear it |shocking| but I think the big issue, is when you get a bandwidth bill, you'll put out better stuff.

kaktusan · 2005-02-09, 07:16 PM

lolol, when i look at this thread i think all the netpond moved here

Anyways nothing personal here, i just want to defend BB since i am working there. The hosting is completely "paid hosting" from cyberwurx. No steals, redirections or ads! So it must not be treated as free hosting. The recruits are just don't being charged for using the hosting! So LL owners please don't ban the guys submitting from BB domains, because doing so it some kind of killing the new generation of adult webmasters. We teach them there how to start and succeed and this business and if you consider the hosting as free and don't list them you screw up the whole thing, don't you think so? It is not only bad for us, for the recruits but and for you LL owners, because and you are loosing money from that

Greenguy · 2005-02-09, 07:19 PM

You want to teach these people correctly? Have them get their own hosting like in the real world.

Have them buy their own content while your at it

Ramster · 2005-02-09, 07:36 PM

I too have stopped listing Beta Brigade sites. I'm very very very sorry to do this but when the person submitting does not own the domain according to the whois there is no way to protect against that person submitting 3-4 sites a day under different names and emails.

Also I know BB is a good company but what if 1 year from now it is sold or the owner has a change of heart? That owner could 404 and 302 EVERY domain they "control" to dialers, toolbars and who knows what else.

BB should offer a 1 year registration free and then they host the domains. Same cost to them without renewal costs. That way the domain will be in the actual person's name submitting.

kaktusan · 2005-02-09, 07:37 PM

Well GG, they will do that for sure once they learn how to make out of this biz. Not everybody can afford paid domain, hosting and pay for everything from the beginning. Thats why we provide them these things. Once they start making money they are getting their own hostings and content and etc..and continue their work...but they just use the BB hosting for the things we teach them there. So in fact not only the hosting is paid, but LL owners can be sure that sites on BB domains are more valuable then any other, since we teach the recruits never to delete them, never change them, never popping them up..never cheating.. I hope you catch where i point to ?

The real problem in this thread comes that you are pretty reputable and respected in the biz, and once you say people should ban BB domains, i know there will be lots people to do what you say....which probably is not in anyone's interest...

LB · 2005-02-09, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenguy

You want to teach these people correctly? Have them get their own hosting like in the real world.

Have them buy their own content while your at it

I couldn't agree with you more !!!!

But I would love to see them make a few $ before they made the same mistake i did and jumped into submitting too early.

But I definitely agree with you GG ... having their own hosting will make them confront comercial realities

Greenguy · 2005-02-09, 10:15 PM

You guys are bashing me about a rule that's been in place since 1999 or 2000 - nothing you say is gonna change it.

Submit sites to me that are on hosting that you pay for or stop wasting your time & mine.

End of discussion.

2005-02-09, 01:07 PM	#28
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2005-02-09, 07:16 PM	#32
kaktusan Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 113	lolol, when i look at this thread i think all the netpond moved here Anyways nothing personal here, i just want to defend BB since i am working there. The hosting is completely "paid hosting" from cyberwurx. No steals, redirections or ads! So it must not be treated as free hosting. The recruits are just don't being charged for using the hosting! So LL owners please don't ban the guys submitting from BB domains, because doing so it some kind of killing the new generation of adult webmasters. We teach them there how to start and succeed and this business and if you consider the hosting as free and don't list them you screw up the whole thing, don't you think so? It is not only bad for us, for the recruits but and for you LL owners, because and you are loosing money from that __________________

2005-02-09, 07:19 PM	#33
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2005-02-09, 07:36 PM	#34
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2005-02-09, 07:37 PM	#35
kaktusan Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 113	Well GG, they will do that for sure once they learn how to make out of this biz. Not everybody can afford paid domain, hosting and pay for everything from the beginning. Thats why we provide them these things. Once they start making money they are getting their own hostings and content and etc..and continue their work...but they just use the BB hosting for the things we teach them there. So in fact not only the hosting is paid, but LL owners can be sure that sites on BB domains are more valuable then any other, since we teach the recruits never to delete them, never change them, never popping them up..never cheating.. I hope you catch where i point to ? The real problem in this thread comes that you are pretty reputable and respected in the biz, and once you say people should ban BB domains, i know there will be lots people to do what you say....which probably is not in anyone's interest... __________________

2005-02-09, 11:16 AM	#26
Pagan Perverted Empress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 5,070	GG, I have always respected you and listened carefully to what you say. Your LL is one of the best and it is always an honor to be listed. I do have to respectfully disagree with you about the free hosting for BetaBrigade. Sarma happens to be one of the newer members who doesn't yet have the resources to pay for his own hosting. The guys at BetaBrigade believed in him enough to assist him. That isn't a free host - his pages have nothing on there but what he himself has placed. It won't lead the surfer to some unknown place, and it won't disappear next week or next month because somebody got tired of hosting all those sites for free. Rather, a band of very experienced webmasters got together and have taken newbies (and some crusty oldies) under their wing and are trying to teach them to build sites that you (and other LL owners) would like to list. Yeah, sure.. some of these guys are using sponsor content for now, and don't pay directly for their hosting, but how else do you learn? And.. not all of the BB is using the assisted option or sponsor content totally.. I have been paying for my hosting for 2 years now, and own a good amount of my own content. Y'all can be a tough bunch to please...

2005-02-09, 01:56 PM	#29
JohnnyRS Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 68	Hi All. I'm apart of Beta Brigade also but I'm using my own paid hosting to submit once I knew it was considered Free hosting. I remember the days of free hosting and I even had some listed on your site, greenguy, before 2000. I even remember the days of condom. Those were the days I made good money. I've advanced from my free hosting days. Now I'm paying for my own hosting. Learning a lot from BB and from here of course. I understand your point about it being kind of like a sponsored free host. I just wish there was a way to help some of these newbies the way it was for the first Beta brigade. I was fortunate to be in on the first one and was able to transfer my domain to my paid hosting when the first one stopped. Linkster made a good point that when the first Beta brigade was over lot of the sites were redirected or disappeared. I guess I'm one of those crusty oldies that Pagan talked about. I'm glad this issue was at least discussed so we all know the reasons behind it. Thanks Greenguy.

2005-02-09, 06:41 PM	#31
dandith Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 7	I just wanted to put my 2 cent's in. While I use beta brigade hosting on some things, I also have more then one paid hosting account. I just want to make sure that just because it's netpondcash stuff it's not considered beta brigade hosting. Note, I do understand some is getting "overused sponsor content". But as a webmaster that pays for hosting and uses there own content at times. I don't want to be classified as a free hoster because I promote netpondcash. I'm going to hear it \|shocking\| but I think the big issue, is when you get a bandwidth bill, you'll put out better stuff.

2005-02-09, 10:15 PM	#37
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	You guys are bashing me about a rule that's been in place since 1999 or 2000 - nothing you say is gonna change it. Submit sites to me that are on hosting that you pay for or stop wasting your time & mine. End of discussion. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network