starting a paysite but need a few pointers

[Toby]

Originally Posted by furrygirl

Toby: I'm not saying that the two aren't different beasts, but I disagree with the idea that being your own model is the cheap and easy way of starting a paysite. As for quality bought content, I'm not sure how much that runs per set, but I do know how much my outfits/props alone have cost, and I'd imagine they're more than comparable. (Ever been to a lingerie shop or seen the prices on quality toys?) Besides tangible costs, there's a whole additional world of work and hassle that comes with being your own content (from pedicures to tit jobs to potential stalkers to babysitters). From this side, the grass sure does look greener if you can just go shopping for the exact pics you want on a content provider's site.

Yes, I've been inside a few lingerie and adult toy shops, particularly during the 18 years I was married. I agree that those things aren't cheap if you want stuff that will last.

The cost comparison would depend on whether you were buying non-exclusive or exclusive content, and on just how specialized the niche. I think the cost of purchasing exclusive content is probably about a wash with the wardrobe, toys, props, etc. that you noted. Exclusive content is really a fairer comparison to the content you do yourself.

I don't think we're really all that far from being on the same page, just slightly different perspectives.

I'll toss you another curve, just cuz I think you can probably hit it. I make a comfortable living with no pay sites and I purchase almost no content. Other than my hosting, my expenses are minimal. That begs the question, why build a pay site to begin with?

[LindaMight]

I run my own paysite along with George. We have the toys, model the clothes, go to hotels, have four digital cameras, one digital video camera, pay for hosting, pay for the toys and clothes, etc. I don't count the nails since I would do that anyway. I didn't pay for a boob job...but I do wear wigs and have paid for a few of them. We also have had many toys sent to us by manufacturers who want to see it on our site. And I think we are doing wonderful even after paying CCbill their percentage. We are the roadies, the models and the webmasters, pretty much in that order. With all the stuff that is going on about model ID's, etc., I would not want to buy anything from anybody. Just my opinion....and I agree...
CCBill and Strongbox...in that order.
Cheers! Linda

[furrygirl]

Originally Posted by Toby

I'll toss you another curve, just cuz I think you can probably hit it. I make a comfortable living with no pay sites and I purchase almost no content. Other than my hosting, my expenses are minimal. That begs the question, why build a pay site to begin with?

My focus is not free sites and galleries, but from where I'm sitting, the prosperous and exceptional free site is a rare thing. (Those I like are infused with personality and quality content, which are the same traits I like in a good paysite.)

This might be the easy answer, but if you can truly make free sites work for you, then good on ya. Personally, though, I still prefer the control over your own income you get with a paysite. A sponsor could go belly-up or shave your income or refuse to give you model documentation you need, so I suppose the best bet there is to diversify yourself and don't put all your eggs in one basket. (Again, samething can be applied to paysites.)

[noooze]

i'm not starting a paysite to begin with

i have 2 freesites that gives me x k a month and some tgp that allso brings in .. lets just say alot of cash

this is the next step for me and have been planning for over a year... now i finally found the ideal partner so now we are active working on it.

why send 100.000 's of clicktrhoughs to someone elses program when i can send it to myself

[RawAlex]

One point about CCBill: If you go this route, I would NOT recommend using a CCBill link code directly. No offence to CCBill, but if you ever decide to change your billing or add other options, your existing webmasters will be forced to change link codes and basically makes a major mess of the situation.

At bare minimum, provide the webmasters a short URL feature through your own domain the redirects through ccbill. That way you can redirect them again later if you need to for other billing options.

Affiliate admin software is a better choice, but costs money. The difference though is often the feeling of "pro" versus "amateur". CCBill is quick and dirty, and gets the job done. Other options are larger and take longer.

Many webmasters perfer ccbill programs because they like to try to play cookie games.

Alex

[noooze]

great info - thanks alot

it might be ccbill to start off with. i agree that ccbill makes it easy and webmasters will be sure to get their check.
but i must say i was hoping to find a company that was ready to make payouts via epassporte

I know i'd have to run the site for a little while to see what kind of retention it wouldt have. I'd bet all my money that i can make surfers saty +2 months. thats why we thought about making the cost the normal cost , and give 30 $ pr payed signup -
gotta bring in some webmasters fast

[noooze]

hmmm +48 hours and still no answer from ccbill - thought they wouldt be much faster
myvirtualcard.com seems like a good bet - and they use the mastercards version of visa electron

anyone else knows of any good ones out there ? anyone that support epassporte?

[GunnCat]

Originally Posted by noooze

hmmm +48 hours and still no answer from ccbill - thought they wouldt be much faster
myvirtualcard.com seems like a good bet - and they use the mastercards version of visa electron

anyone else knows of any good ones out there ? anyone that support epassporte?

Do yourself a favor and don't rush into this man. This isn't something you should be doing half assed, it takes some time to setup everything correctly.

[noooze]

i know - i'm not rushing into anything - just like to have the info from the many processors i've contacted as fast as possible, so i can read up on them all and ask all the questions

Paycom dont want to process for me - something about visa regulations and high risk

but found someone else that has something like epassporte. its just the mastercards version of visa electron. might be ok - i dont know

[GunnCat]

Paycom of course.

[LB]

Some great info in this thread, and some misleading info too.

Rawalex is right when he suggests you dont use ccbill's link codes directly, as their affiliate tracking leaves a lot to be desired. I suggest using a Affiliate management script like Nats or Mpa3. You will be responsible for affiliate payments though.