AVN Wants Me On The Traffic Panel In Vegas....Even Though They Have No Idea Who I Am.

[Greenguy]

I have to apologize to everyone because I had to edit my original post so that my contact doesn't rock any boats.

The original post with a quote made the problem that I was bitching about a lot clearer.

I feel that now I just look like a rambling ass.

[docholly]

At MINIMUM it should be free passes and 1k.

I do these events all the time.. and NO one does them for free. and most organizations that run the trade shows know who all the players are.

I did 1.5 hours on a panel for CEA last month and made over 2k plus special treatment -room, complete access to all seminars/dinners etc and a 'travel stipend' but since I'm in Vegas they gave me the cash equivalent instead.

Fuck make it 2k for your years in the business and 6 passes (2 for you, 2 for the MML's and 2 for tart & I).

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I feel that now I just look like a rambling ass.

Welcome to my world.

I really dig free stuff, so that part of me wants to say take the passes and run, but the stronger and darker side of me, the side known for making all of my wonderful business decisions, is stomping and screaming "FUCK THE COCKSUCKERS - SET THEIR DOGS ON FIRE!!!" So, there you have it. (Keep in mind, I'll probably have a completely different and wholey random opinion in another ten minutes or so.)

[SirMoby]

Once you accept something for being on the panel then you have to be on the panel. You know your integrity won't allow you to skip out so you'll end up going and might be unhappy about it. Just make sure that what you accept for doing it is really a good exchange for your time in Vegas.

[Greenguy]

SirMoby - I know it was suggested in this thread, but I'd never say yes to the panel & then back out once I got there just to fuck them over in my own little way - not really my style

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

SirMoby - I know it was suggested in this thread, but I'd never say yes to the panel & then back out once I got there just to fuck them over in my own little way - not really my style

I didn't think you actually would.

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

SirMoby - I know it was suggested in this thread, but I'd never say yes to the panel & then back out once I got there just to fuck them over in my own little way - not really my style

That's why you need to figure out if $1,000 is really worth it. Here you are sitting at a table taking all of Ramster's cash and then you have to go to the traffic thing.

[SirMoby]

Wasn't Q'On the guy that made the post promoting NATs and bashing a shitload of good sponsors? It might be fun just to see what's next.

[MrMaryLou]

Go for it

[Ramster]

They should be giving you free passes to the show for sure. At least 2 for you and the wife.

I doubt they'll give you any money. They'll just ask someone else they do not know.

[emmanuelle]

1. I don't believe that they will give you anything, one free pass tops.

2. I agree wholeheartedly with Cyndalie, and trade secrets are worth much more than $1000.

3. I suspect that you don't need $1k bad enough to compromise your personal principles and be used as a tool to further someone else's agenda.

4. Back to #2- If you're gonna share, share with the people who support and value you, not just hear through the grapevine that you might be an asset to them and a potential draw to increase their numbers.

[Greenguy]

Cyndalie touched on one thing earlier - anyone can pretty much come here to the board & ask me (and a lot of other traffic people, a lot of which know more than me) whatever questions they wanted....for FREE!

Maybe I'll just have a couple of informal Q & A sessions in my room (I don't need the money or the free pass - that's more of a principal thing)

All I'd ask is that the person asking a question was a member of the board

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

All I'd ask is that the person asking a question was a member of the board

That sounds like a golden idea. Why waste time answering the traffic questions of people who can't be bothered to show up here anyway?

BTW, I voted for the $1000 and 4 free passes. Even if they want to do the passes but no cash you're still coming out ahead if you decide to do it.

I guess the biggest question would be...do you really feel like doing it in the first place?

[urb]

Sorry....... who are AVN?

[becky]

Hey Greenguy

These panels are the same old tired shit they do every year. Nothing new usually comes out of them. But imagine how many more people they can get to buy a seminar pass cuz the famous Greenguy is on the panel. Wtf do you get out of that? I've also heard a lot of people aren't even going to this show. I haven't been to an internext in a couple of years. They are just crap lately. I would say if you planned on going, get something for your trouble of appearing on this panel. If you weren't going, is it worth it to put up will all the hassle just to be on that panel? Like it's been said before, if someone wants to learn from your expertise, all they have to do is come to this great board.

Anyway, just my opinion Hope things are good for you!!!

[Jim]

Originally Posted by becky

Hey Greenguy

These panels are the same old tired shit they do every year. Nothing new usually comes out of them. But imagine how many more people they can get to buy a seminar pass cuz the famous Greenguy is on the panel. Wtf do you get out of that? I've also heard a lot of people aren't even going to this show. I haven't been to an internext in a couple of years. They are just crap lately. I would say if you planned on going, get something for your trouble of appearing on this panel. If you weren't going, is it worth it to put up will all the hassle just to be on that panel? Like it's been said before, if someone wants to learn from your expertise, all they have to do is come to this great board.

Anyway, just my opinion Hope things are good for you!!!

Thanks for your input Becky. Especially "all they have to do is come to this great board"

But you are right...there are quite a few people that would pay the money to go to a seminar just to learn what people learn here for free.

[Simon]

Three years ago they asked me to do a panel on "Niche Marketing" along with three known webmaster names. I agreed, seeing as how Niche is what I know. But at the last minute they wound up changing the topic to "Targeted Marketing" for some combinations of half-explained reasons. If you decide to do the "traffic" panel, you may want some guarantee that you won't mind up having to talk about something else instead.

Simon

[ClickBuster]

Ask for money. Money that will pay for the info you're giving away - whatever is concidered reasonable to you. Buy the tickets yourself. What I'm trying to say is - just keep it all business.

[Tommy]

what I would do is tell them they could generate traffic by doing the following
search engines
link trades
free sites
gallerys
writing your url on dollar bills
etc etc etc same old shit

thats what they would get for 1000.00

[Robbo]

You could always do it and pull a Kanye West and just stand up and say "AVN does`nt care about webmasters." or any number of innapropriate comments.

[Linkster]

I would require them to sign a contract with whatever royalty you deem appropriate for the VOD version/PPV and tapes they sell afterwards from the panels. I would also require an honararium, as like others have posted, I have never heard of panelists doing this for free at a convention other than with the adult industry seminars - and where in the world do they get off selling increased priced tickets for something they dont pay the panel for?

Greenie - I do like your idea of the separate traffic get-togethers (similar to the little ones we've done in the past) where we could do an invite to board members to come and learn if they are really interested - and not hear the same thing over and over from the same people that do these panels every year who are leading people where they want for their own positioning. (my opinion but I hear it every year as well at both conventions)

Of course by my saying that we should do it separately, that kinda brings up the same point that we have been trying to make here, which is that because AVN is not interested in the front line webmaster, and have yet to take or even respond to one suggestion in these threads over the years, we end up having a place provide in a central location with a high cost to do our networking. Seems to me that with a little planning we sure could pull off the same results with a huge discount

[Chop Smith]

Why would a man of your statue in the biz want to serve on a panel for a seminar that should be titled "Why I Think My Shit Doesn't Stink"? What a waste of time and money for participants.

[MikeHawk]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I shit you not.

Someone hit me up on ICQ about possibly being on the Traffic Panel at Internext In Vegas.

I grunted a lot & asked who was on the panel:

XXXJay - good choice IMHO

Q'On - great guy, but I've never known him to be a big "traffic" kinda webmaster & I hope I don't offend anyone, but it'd be like me being on a panel marketing ebony sites.

Johnny V? (from wildline) - did a search on Board Tracker for "wildline" & the only result was this person being on the last Traffic Panel in Miami & a link to an article on YNOT about that panel with some really obvious observations. Seems to be a broker, so the reply to any & all traffic questions would be "You can buy it."

"Name Withheld To Protect The Innocent" who does run a Link List & would be a good choice for a Traffic Panel.

Moderator: Mike Hawk from Smash Bucks, who has told me in no small terms that he does not like the policies of this board

So I thinking about it...basically a free pass for an hour of my time.

I have no idea how many seminars there are, but the cost to AVN is the room for 2 days, since there's no actual money given to the speakers. It costs Joe Blow Webmaster $80 to attend the seminars. I'd really love to know how many people paid for the seminars minus the cost of the room

So then it dawns on me to ask for money...and passes! $1000 & 4 passes - this would cover The Bitch & me as well as the MaryLou's.

SO I ask for the email addy for the guy that's running this stuff so I can see what I can get out of it. I'm told:
I had the original quote up here, but the person that realyed the info to me asked me to remove it, so I will just say that AVN contacted one person about being on the traffic panel. That person recommended my contact. My contact recomended me.

The long & short of it is that AVN is looking for people to be on this Traffic Panel & asking for advice on panelists because they have no idea who to put on this panel.

Isn't this one of the beefs we have with AVN?

NO ONE AT AVN KNOWS WHO THE FUCK ANY OF US ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(don't even get me started on the stats part of that, as I guess I was 5th on a list of 4)

I did this panel in 2003 (I think) an it consisted of me, Traffic Dude (see wildline), SE Guru (great guy - all about the SE's & a lot of paid ad spots) and Aly (who I love & was still with Python & really had no idea why she was on the panel

So should I feel insulted?

Should I suck it up & ask for the $1k & 4 passes?

You decide - VOTE NOW!!!!!!!!!!

Wow..Greenguy excuse me...lol

Hey i guess you being around for awhile makes you that more important that all of us? I guess what is funny mostly is that if i ever start acting like i am better than or far more important than most i have a standing deal with one of my buddies to hit me as hard as he can on my head with a shovel.

Now saying that, AVN reached out to you knowing who you were, i reached out to you awhile ago to do something really cool. But i can see you are far more important so above us all, i am sorry anybody even bothered to ask you.

Long time ago, i have realized that its not always what i can take from something its what i can bring to it. Taking is easy, the best part of knowledge and the time you have been in this biz is the ability to enlighten...

Its a free country and we can do anything we want i guess, as for me saying anything about your board i dont recall.....

Well anyway, it would have been very nice to have you in Vegas and in the amazing AVN article for real. The only losers here would be the readers or people who dont get to hear what it is or what makes you "who you are, who you think you are"
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[Surfn]

Gosh GG it sounds like you are fucked no matter what you do...

[Chop Smith]

Well said Doc Holly.

Originally Posted by MikeHawk

Long time ago, i have realized that its not always what i can take from something its what i can bring to it. Taking is easy, the best part of knowledge and the time you have been in this biz is the ability to enlighten..

Wow..MikeHawk excuse me...

WTF are you talking about. GG could stay at home and perform his normal routine and enlighten more folks than that entire panel will do in an hour. As moderator, perhaps you could set up computers and have the participants read Greenguy and Jim for an hour.