You know those "create your own gallery" scripts that are inside affiliate programs?

[MadMax]

The big problem I see with those gallery builder deals is that there couldn't possibly be enough options and variety in there to have any of the product be unique enough to bother with. Sometimes I'll play with them a bit if a sponsor has them available, but all in all I'd prefer their programmers churn out some HFS instead of creating a slick tool I have no use for.

[Far-L]

Thanks! Completely fantastic feedback - I am utterly thankful to everyone for weighing in on this.

I think our gallery maker is capable of overcoming much of your opposition - but only when we add a few features, some previously planned and some from your suggestions, and the rest of the content...

On the other hand - we are definitely going to add plenty of hfs, is helping out on that end... We are also adding tons of gallery zips listed by model/niche, description, and publish date.

[Greenguy]

I will say that Far-L & the Home Grown crew have a very good start to their revamping of the affiliate program & aside form the script thing (which I personally dislike) and a couple of other very minor things, they are on the right track

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I will say that Far-L & the Home Grown crew have a very good start to their revamping of the affiliate program & aside form the script thing (which I personally dislike) and a couple of other very minor things, they are on the right track

Thanks! We are working on it but it sure is a huge leap forward from where we were in what I call our "hobbled and on crutches" period.

[Surfn]

I would like to take a look at your new builder before I start getting submits

[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Has anyone ever seen one that's actually worth using?

I would like to see much more control with these:

1. Allow us to choose which banner is used in which position as well as how many.

2. Provide a large number of layouts so that these galleries are not oversaturated.

3. If you do recips as well, ideally have a device where webmasters can upload a few custom recips and have this saved in the lounge as well. Also make sure just as with the banners/text link placement that there are many different options to choose from regarding where to place the recip.

4. Allow us to save a configuration for next time that can be used for general use.

5. Make the number of pictures configurable as well as the ability to select certain pictures over others.

Hope my wishlist is helpful!

[Greenguy]

Allfetish - wouldn't it just be easier (and take about the same amount of time) to do that by hand on your local machine?

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Allfetish - wouldn't it just be easier (and take about the same amount of time) to do that by hand on your local machine?

Pretty much where I end up every time

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Allfetish

I would like to see much more control with these:

Awesome suggestions and my responses follow.

1. Allow us to choose which banner is used in which position as well as how many.

--------already functional for choice but adding position feature

2. Provide a large number of layouts so that these galleries are not oversaturated.

---------definitely will do as this seems to be the strongest criticism

3. If you do recips as well, ideally have a device where webmasters can upload a few custom recips and have this saved in the lounge as well. Also make sure just as with the banners/text link placement that there are many different options to choose from regarding where to place the recip.

----------we have this in the version we developed for house accounts and will be adding it shortly, with saved recip "concoctions", and placement options

4. Allow us to save a configuration for next time that can be used for general use.

---------this is already possible but will only become truly significant when the other features are added along with their complexities.

5. Make the number of pictures configurable as well as the ability to select certain pictures over others.

---------Great idea and very much within easy reach.

Hope my wishlist is helpful!

I think we can incorporate these features and more innovations that will be make the webmasters efforts less burdonsome and more efficient. We will succeed or may lightning strike me down while i am being eaten by a shark after being tortured by the haitian voodoo mafia and thrown in the sea.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Far-L

...We will succeed or may lightning strike me down while i am being eaten by a shark after being tortured by the haitian voodoo mafia and thrown in the sea.

I hope it doesn't come to that, but if so be sure to get it on video.

Geez Far-L, up early or up late? I dunno if I should be saying g'mornin or g'nite.

[gobgook2]

Originally Posted by nekrom

Imo those 5step make your own gallery are utter crap. I'd either use a FHG which have some sort of structure to them (also crap) or 9 outa 10 occasions I make my own gallery.

What I'd like to see more programs offering is ziped content sets of 25-30pics of decent quality that are 500 on the long side as standard. And a ton of header image/s that I can incorporate into my galleries. Only a handfull of programs currently offer this.

-N

Exactly, even when I did run two TGPs, they were so low traffic and impossible to grow without piss-off-the-surfer trade script crap that FHG-anything is a total waste of programmer/designer time. I'd love to see some real FHG stats. I'm betting that <= 5% of program affiliates (the top 5%, including all the high traffic TGP owners) are the only ones really using FGH to any real gain. They're just in my way, personally. I'm with nekrom, content to build galleries by hand is the most useful thing any program could give me (although I'm not so sure about 500 on the longest side being a standard...) -- but 80% of programs out there are dumping 10-15 shitty ass video captures into zips and calling it "picture content". As if any reputable TGP (or LL for that matter) is going to approve a picture gallery built solely of vidcaps. Come on! Anywho, yeah, I've played with the 5step tools too, and found them to be just as useless as standard FHGs. I'd rather see a program spend all that time, energy and money putting together sites that update frequently, actually convert, etc. (it's my belief based on my experiences that most of the programs that claim frequent site updates and bank-busting conversions typically don't.)
Most FHG / script-generated-5-step-galleries are typically 100% photoshop and/or way too high ad:content ratio to actually submit anywhere with any respect anyway.

[sue-fl]

I agree that it's faster to build them by hand, then go threw all the steps.

[IFRvideo]

GG - aren't all these forums prefab, with the same features and smiles and options. Like every one?

Also GG - in the letter you said:

"But, when you deal with both webmasters and surfers, there is nothing wrong with sending two separate Newsletters. Just, never mix the two."

"Never?" Why - is it a sin? Are you saying webmasters never buy adult content to review? Or that consumer might not want to try out doing affiliate programs? On actual sites aren't there webmaster and consumer links on main and secondary pages together? Will people leave if they see that?

Also, I just checked 15 links from your newsletter, and they used pre-made galleries. All your sponsors recommend them.

As far as copy goes here's a selection from two random clicks on your homepage. I'm not saying anything about these producer's content...

"But, as the electricity rises and the ropes tighten this little whore quickly realizes that she can't escape, can't stop the orgasms, and can't control the electricity."

"Dana takes punishment while hanging from her wrist and balancing on a block of wood. She is then led around like a dog and put in a cage where she must suck cock and get fucked. Finally. she is tied on top of the cage and fucked in the pussy and ass by Chris. Charming."

Again, I'm sure their content is good. But what's the point, these weekly newsletters seem to send conflicting information.

Lastly, do you feel the design of the our green guy list-o-rama is effective? Is it for surfers or webmasters?

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Allfetish - wouldn't it just be easier (and take about the same amount of time) to do that by hand on your local machine?

[Chop Smith]

Does anyone know WTF this IFRvideo is talking about? I think he is trying to get in GG's shit but I can not see where he said anything that relates to this thread (other than the quote).

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

Does anyone know WTF this IFRvideo is talking about?

I have no clue. I was hoping someone could translate.

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

Does anyone know WTF this IFRvideo is talking about? I think he is trying to get in GG's shit but I can not see where he said anything that relates to this thread (other than the quote).

I have no clue either Chop |confused|

[Trev]

Well, one thing... he seems to be confused about who writes and sends the newsletter. (pssst IFRvideo, Jim does the newsletters not GG) As for the rest... ummm I have no idea.

[IFRvideo]

Trev, I didn't know Jim wrote it, thanks on that.

Listen guys, I like the radio show, I've listened and there is a lot of information here that is valuable here as well, we have your banner on our site...

I just didn't get the "never" and the dogma-style approach this morning. Seemed the opposite of what this site is and the radio show is, the tone is some of some of the mailed newletters I mean.

That's it. Don't go nutz on this.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by IFRvideo

Trev, I didn't know Jim wrote it, thanks on that.

Listen guys, I like the radio show, I've listened and there is a lot of information here that is valuable here as well, we have your banner on our site...

I just didn't get the "never" and the dogma-style approach this morning. Seemed the opposite of what this site is and the radio show is, the tone is some of some of the mailed newletters I mean.

That's it. Don't go nutz on this.

So your post had absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread? No wonder I couldn't make any sense of it.

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by Trev

Well, one thing... he seems to be confused about who writes and sends the newsletter. (pssst IFRvideo, Jim does the newsletters not GG) As for the rest... ummm I have no idea.

I am awake now and think I have it.

1. I write about puking - http://greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=27910

2. Jim comments about it in the newsletter

3. IFRvideo picks the wrong thread to make comments about the newletter

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by gobgook2

Exactly, even when I did run two TGPs, they were so low traffic and impossible to grow without piss-off-the-surfer trade script crap that FHG-anything is a total waste of programmer/designer time. I'd love to see some real FHG stats. I'm betting that <= 5% of program affiliates (the top 5%, including all the high traffic TGP owners) are the only ones really using FGH to any real gain. They're just in my way, personally. I'm with nekrom, content to build galleries by hand is the most useful thing any program could give me (although I'm not so sure about 500 on the longest side being a standard...) -- but 80% of programs out there are dumping 10-15 shitty ass video captures into zips and calling it "picture content". As if any reputable TGP (or LL for that matter) is going to approve a picture gallery built solely of vidcaps. Come on! Anywho, yeah, I've played with the 5step tools too, and found them to be just as useless as standard FHGs. I'd rather see a program spend all that time, energy and money putting together sites that update frequently, actually convert, etc. (it's my belief based on my experiences that most of the programs that claim frequent site updates and bank-busting conversions typically don't.)
Most FHG / script-generated-5-step-galleries are typically 100% photoshop and/or way too high ad:content ratio to actually submit anywhere with any respect anyway.

Well we have no shortage of content - we update a few times a day with our own stuff (have been consistently for years) and we sit on a collection of over 23 years of completely exclusive amateur content - with deep deep pockets of niches like cream pie, hairy bush, mature/milf, etc. Adding tons of content for people to make galleries is not a problem.

We let the webmaster choose how many ads to add so that is not an issue for us.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Far-L

Well we have no shortage of content - we update a few times a day with our own stuff (have been consistently for years) and we sit on a collection of over 23 years of completely exclusive amateur content - with deep deep pockets of niches like cream pie, hairy bush, mature/milf, etc. Adding tons of content for people to make galleries is not a problem.

We let the webmaster choose how many ads to add so that is not an issue for us.

(trying like a bad prom date to bring the topic back around to me, me, me...)

[IFRvideo]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

I am awake now and think I have it.

1. I write about puking - http://greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=27910

2. Jim comments about it in the newsletter

3. IFRvideo picks the wrong thread to make comments about the newletter

Yes yes yes.
Nobody's perfect. yet.

[Far-L]

How do you all feel about only having soft content available? We are very sketchy about hard core that is outside a pass protected area but thinking of relaxing a bit because of the recent 2257 injunction.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Far-L

How do you all feel about only having soft content available? We are very sketchy about hard core that is outside a pass protected area but thinking of relaxing a bit because of the recent 2257 injunction.

I get better conversions using limited harcore content in my galleries, hint at it, maybe one or two pics, let the surfer know that it's there, but not a whole gallery of pics with nothing but dicks filling wholes.