Question for free site submitters (not LL owners)

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by gavelo

Thanks ponygirl...do you think LL owners allows to put links to hubs in FS ?

Of course we do, it counts as one of your 3 outbound links.

And anyone LL owner that acts as if submitters are her enemies, she is either just blowing smoke or truly ignorant.

(Mind you I only used the feminine pronoun because it's the politically correct form to use, I'm not pointing my finger at any female LL owner in particular.)

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by Preacher

(Mind you I only used the feminine pronoun because it's the politically correct form to use, I'm not pointing my finger at any female LL owner in particular.)

I love my submitters - it even says so on my submit page |blowkiss|
so there

[WarBot]

The day job thing isnt a problem, Im not working right now because I quit my job to move and get settled into my new home (and my vacation is added in there so its not a total loss). I have a job lined up so when I get moved in Ill be able to go right to work.

For some reason I thought that I should be getting at least 1 sale per free site. I mean, I get listed on LOR, Penisbot, Smutgremlins, etc... so I figured that traffic I should be turning into at least 1 sale per site. After 13 sites I felt like I was way behind and I couldnt figure out what I was doing wrong. I dont have a problem with long term free site submitting. I wont be able to do it daily (I build sites extremely slow) but a couple/few a week shouldnt be a problem.

Im not a quitter, I just was expecting a sale here and there was normal and I wasnt cutting it. I didnt see any point in continuing to torture myself and spend so much time on it when I wasnt doing good and everything I have tried wasnt working. But I will take it as a long term project. I love building free sites so I can at least keep it up as a hobby. Maybe one of these days I will catch a break and be able to move to full time

Theres some great advice here and in the PM's Ive gotten. I feel like an attention whore or something now but Im glad I was burned out and posted this. Its given me an entirely new outlook on this and new motivation. Replaced my short term motivation with a long term one and a better understanding of how this whole adult thing works these days.

[Bill]

The free site building biz ain't what it used to be.

But, 13 sites, 1 sale, that suggests you are either in a bad niche, or that your selling is too weak.

There's a natural tendency to try to build freesites to make reviwers and list owners happy, but a freesite that only provides free content for somebody else and makes you no sales is a lose-lose for both you and the linklist - altho much more of a loss for you (It's a loss for the linklist, even if the linkllist owner doesn't realize it, because linklist owners needs happy submitters, even if they act like submitters are the enemy).

[Jeka]

I think more important for you to judge if you're good at marketing or not is to say how much traffic you got with these 13 free sites and especially how many click throughs to the tour page you got.

[WarBot]

Originally Posted by Jeka

I think more important for you to judge if you're good at marketing or not is to say how much traffic you got with these 13 free sites and especially how many click throughs to the tour page you got.

3400 hits to sponsor sites (roughly)
13,000 visitors (roughly)
1 sale (exactly)

Cheap bastards. I still have a few sites that were accepted by Penisbot and wetplace but I dont think theyve been listed yet (I hope not anyways lol).

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by WarBot

3400 hits to sponsor sites (roughly)

Total?

That's pretty low to expect any kind of cash flow.

I've got a challenge for you WarBot. Care to try? Work on getting at least half that many hits every day!

From now until then, you may learn a few things about what cheap, horny surfers want.

Don't forget, freesites tend to sell after you've long forgotten about 'em.

[WarBot]

Originally Posted by virgohippy

Total?

That's pretty low to expect any kind of cash flow.

I've got a challenge for you WarBot. Care to try? Work on getting at least half that many hits every day!

From now until then, you may learn a few things about what cheap, horny surfers want.

Don't forget, freesites tend to sell after you've long forgotten about 'em.

Honestly, after viewing the poll results, reading all the PM's, and reading the comments in this thread Im not that worried about it. I dont think Ill be able to quit my day job anytime soon anyways. Im going to approach it as a hobby that makes me a bit of money on the side. I love building sites, hanging out here with you guys and naked chicks, but free site submitting doesnt look like the answer really. If a guy submitting a free site a day isnt making over 2k a month after a year and a half, what chance do I have doing this part time?

I have some other idea's though. I read a few things on another board that Im going to work on, Ill be working on my domain roots, submitting a couple free sites a week, It'll be cool. Maybe Ill stumble across something that makes me some cash But Im going to approach it as a hobby now. My long term goals are to have fun, enjoy myself, and to try and make a bit of money off this hobby. Theres more ways to do this thing than free sites, Im going to check out some of those too.

[Jeka]

Originally Posted by WarBot

If a guy submitting a free site a day isnt making over 2k a month after a year and a half, what chance do I have doing this part time?

Well if the link lists list about 100+ of their own sponsor links, hosted free sites, own free sites and friends before they even think about listing you're site you really can't expect much traffic.


btw. may I ask what niche you submit because 13k for 13 free sites is really very low.

[Lemmy]

Originally Posted by WarBot

3400 hits to sponsor sites (roughly)
13,000 visitors (roughly)
1 sale (exactly)

Cheap bastards. I still have a few sites that were accepted by Penisbot and wetplace but I dont think theyve been listed yet (I hope not anyways lol).

That's actually a very good CTR, about 26% if I understand your numbers correctly. But your total volume is much too low to make a definitive conclusion. 3,400:1 doesn't look good, but these things are know to fluctuate, somtimes wildly. A month or two from now you might be looking at totally different ratios.

[WarBot]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

That's actually a very good CTR, about 26% if I understand your numbers correctly. But your total volume is much too low to make a definitive conclusion. 3,400:1 doesn't look good, but these things are know to fluctuate, somtimes wildly. A month or two from now you might be looking at totally different ratios.

Yeah, Im pretty happy with the click throughs to my sponsor. I guess Im just not pre-selling (if Im using that term right) the sponsor site well enough. Iono... I do have 2 sites approved and waiting to be listed at Penisbot and around 4 or so still sitting in their review que, so my stats may still improve. And I submitted #14 last night so... (fingers crossed).

Im cutting my submit list way down though, Im going to go with 3 pages of 18 recips. Im going to submit to all the big lists that I know of and also all my friends lists from here on the board. I erm... borrowed 2 of your idea's on my last free site

1.) using style for the borders on my recips table instead of putting a table within a table to create the single border

2.) this one I wont make public because I think it kicks ass. But heres the site if you want to guess
http://www.dailypornopost.com/08-200...ute/index.html

I learned quite a bit while I was looking over your free sites and doing google searches for them yesterday. You are a very smart fellow Lemmy.

[WarBot]

I did do something kinda cool today though. I went to my server stats and sorted everything out so I could see exactly who was listing my sites and how many visitors they had sent me so far. Ive had at least 1 site listed on about 70 out of 84 lists I submitted too. Not a bad track record I think. It also gave me a chance to figure out who was reviewing my sites but not listing any of them and get them off my submit list. Took a bit of time but php spead it up a bit. Good info to have though.

[Tvduijn]

You shouldnt be to worried about that too ratio, I'm submitting FS's for a couple of months now and I didnt make to many sales in the beginning, really shitty ratio's (0:2000), and just when I was about to give up I made a couple of them in a row (ratio 1:300), just from HPA's without any text (which isnt a really good idea usually)

Then when I stepped up again it sucked again for a while and last month was really great so I was starting to think about real money and now August , really crappy.

What I'm trying to say, these things go in waves, maybe you'll make a couple next week, who knows? But if you just keep working on it you should be ok, not to mention the fact that SE's take a while to index your sites, so SE hits will also flow in, but it all takes time.

So ive learned to not focus to much on the short term and keep working.

btw. that site does kick ass

[pood]

back when i was submitting freesites in 2004, i made around 30 sites. made about $1600+. The checks didn't come in for a long ass time, but eventually they came and I still get checks once in a while from stuff I've done 2 years ago!

Just keep pluggin at it eventually you'll make some money no matter the niche you're doing. be consistant!

I kinda wished I followed my own advice because I haven't done freesites for a while. now ive gotta start from scratch ;(