'Girls Gone Wild' Producer Sentenced - Page 2

Torn Rose · 2007-01-04, 04:55 PM

LOL....

Ok, please show me WHERE it says he/they saw an ID for the minors?

Anyone?

Why is it that so many of you are assuming the girls had a fake ID? Has he/they said they did? If so I missed that part so please by all means show me where it says the girls had fake IDs.

Kinky · 2007-01-04, 05:20 PM

During Saturday's Dateline feature, Francis told reporter Keith Morrison: "I've been a target of lawsuits ... and other accusations and ridiculous things in the past." Asked specifically about hiring underage girls, he replied, "Well, some girl showing a fake ID? If somebody shows you a fake ID, you have every reason to believe that they're that age."

Joe Francis, Dateline NBC Interview

http://community.emeraldcoast.com/ar....db.php?a=4725

last line in that article: "The jury sided with Mantra Films citing that the girls lied to them about being over 18"

and also the previous line is one of interest: Under Florida law minors are allowed to be filmed as long as they are on public property.

Torn Rose · 2007-01-04, 05:34 PM

Interesting, and he had copies to prove they "was of age" and the girls have been charged with having a false ID?

Kinky · 2007-01-04, 09:50 PM

from The Wall Street Journal Law Blog:

In 2002, two 17-year-old North Texas girls were vacationing in Florida when a Girls Gone Wild videographer approached them and asked them to flash their breasts. The girls complied, according to the lawsuit, but only after being told by the camerman that he was shooting a private film. They also signed a consent form and lied to the camerman that they were over 18.

The jurors ruled in favor of the company and awarded no damages, finding that the girls had signed a valid consent form. Said Richard Merrill of Fabio & Merrill, which represented Mantra: “The plaintiffs knew what they were doing. The jury realized that there were no drugs, alcohol or coercion involved in what they did.”

The girls signed a consent form stating that they were at least 18. The lawsuit by the girls was fueled by their parents after they found out what happened, the girls never complained about anything until it became public knowledge that they were on a GGW video.

And seing as the gov'ts case originally included 71 different counts including stuff like racketeering, prostitution, and chyld porrnography
and settled on community service and a fine for record keeping and labeling tells you that the case had no merit and the girls were responible for their own actions... there was no way in hell the gov't could let him off scott free, they had to get him for something... and now the penalty for bad record keeping is up to 5 yrs if the new regs stand and there is still no protections in place for porn producers if models lie about their ages

if this case would have went the other way it woulda set very bad precedent against our industry and we really dont need any more of that

Torn Rose · 2007-01-04, 10:03 PM

Where is his copy of their IDs?

Kinky · 2007-01-04, 11:38 PM

On Sept 12th 2006, Mantra Films pled guilty to charges that it failed to create and maintain age and identity documents for performers in sexually explicit films that it produced and distributed, and that it failed to label its DVDs and videotapes as required by federal law.

They didn't plead guilty to any of the bullshit quoted in the slanted article you posted and quoted from. Nothing about 17yos, underage anything. It's scary that the gov't and the anti-porn media even has the adult industry buying into all the bs. If you want more info google is your friend. Has GGW aka Mantra Films learned their lesson about keeping proper docs? YES! Are the chyld pronogrphers that are hell bent on finding "drunken" underage girls in order to produce and distribute DVDs with the content? No. They got nailed by 2257.

I'm finished with the subject.

Torn Rose · 2007-01-05, 12:01 AM

damn.... I still want to know where are his copies of the underage IDs... I mean I'm sure he would have proof of age.

spazlabz · 2007-01-05, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torn

damn.... I still want to know where are his copies of the underage IDs... I mean I'm sure he would have proof of age.

I have to agree with you here Torn, where was the copy of the IDs that has been required since the late 80s?

KinkyJones makes plenty of good points as well but i see it pretty cut and dry;

the entire industry is required to have photo IDs and a model release with the model giving expressed written consent to use the content for profit. So why is it that GGW feels they should not have to pay the fine for the crimes they admitted to committing?

IF Mantra had produced copies of the fake IDs that had been given to them and the signed releases, hell I would be screaming that nothing should be done to them!

Slap on the wrist and lesson learned? ok now they know to actually follow the law... and it cost them 1.6 million USD, they should deal with it and pay the damned fine.

spaz

Kinky · 2007-01-13, 06:57 PM

and the witch hunt continues

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16599461/

Torn Rose · 2007-01-13, 06:58 PM

But at least he has all the IDs.

2007-01-04, 05:20 PM	#27
Kinky HEY NOW! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: in the Matrix Glitching on an Endless Loop. Loop. Loop. Loop. Loo Posts: 1,218	During Saturday's Dateline feature, Francis told reporter Keith Morrison: "I've been a target of lawsuits ... and other accusations and ridiculous things in the past." Asked specifically about hiring underage girls, he replied, "Well, some girl showing a fake ID? If somebody shows you a fake ID, you have every reason to believe that they're that age." Joe Francis, Dateline NBC Interview http://community.emeraldcoast.com/ar....db.php?a=4725 last line in that article: "The *jury* sided with Mantra Films citing that the girls lied to them about being over 18" and also the previous line is one of interest: Under Florida law minors are allowed to be filmed as long as they are on public property. __________________ don't mind me im nothing but nonsense <3

2007-01-04, 09:50 PM	#29
Kinky HEY NOW! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: in the Matrix Glitching on an Endless Loop. Loop. Loop. Loop. Loo Posts: 1,218	from The Wall Street Journal Law Blog: In 2002, two 17-year-old North Texas girls were vacationing in Florida when a Girls Gone Wild videographer approached them and asked them to flash their breasts. The girls complied, according to the lawsuit, but only after being told by the camerman that he was shooting a private film. They also signed a consent form and lied to the camerman that they were over 18. The jurors ruled in favor of the company and awarded no damages, finding that the girls had signed a valid consent form. Said Richard Merrill of Fabio & Merrill, which represented Mantra: “The plaintiffs knew what they were doing. The jury realized that there were no drugs, alcohol or coercion involved in what they did.” The girls signed a consent form stating that they were at least 18. The lawsuit by the girls was fueled by their parents after they found out what happened, the girls never complained about anything until it became public knowledge that they were on a GGW video. And seing as the gov'ts case originally included 71 different counts including stuff like racketeering, prostitution, and chyld porrnography and settled on community service and a fine for record keeping and labeling tells you that the case had no merit and the girls were responible for their own actions... there was no way in hell the gov't could let him off scott free, they had to get him for something... and now the penalty for bad record keeping is up to 5 yrs if the new regs stand and there is still no protections in place for porn producers if models lie about their ages if this case would have went the other way it woulda set very bad precedent against our industry and we really dont need any more of that __________________ don't mind me im nothing but nonsense <3

2007-01-04, 11:38 PM	#31
Kinky HEY NOW! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: in the Matrix Glitching on an Endless Loop. Loop. Loop. Loop. Loo Posts: 1,218	On Sept 12th 2006, Mantra Films pled guilty to charges that it failed to create and maintain age and identity documents for performers in sexually explicit films that it produced and distributed, and that it failed to label its DVDs and videotapes as required by federal law. They didn't plead guilty to any of the bullshit quoted in the slanted article you posted and quoted from. Nothing about 17yos, underage anything. It's scary that the gov't and the anti-porn media even has the adult industry buying into all the bs. If you want more info google is your friend. Has GGW aka Mantra Films learned their lesson about keeping proper docs? YES! Are the chyld pronogrphers that are hell bent on finding "drunken" underage girls in order to produce and distribute DVDs with the content? No. They got nailed by 2257. I'm finished with the subject. __________________ don't mind me im nothing but nonsense <3

2007-01-13, 06:57 PM	#34
Kinky HEY NOW! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: in the Matrix Glitching on an Endless Loop. Loop. Loop. Loop. Loo Posts: 1,218	and the witch hunt continues http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16599461/ __________________ don't mind me im nothing but nonsense <3

2007-01-04, 04:55 PM	#26
Torn Rose "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." ~ Mark Twain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4,806	LOL.... Ok, please show me WHERE it says he/they saw an ID for the minors? Anyone? Why is it that so many of you are assuming the girls had a fake ID? Has he/they said they did? If so I missed that part so please by all means show me where it says the girls had fake IDs.

2007-01-04, 05:34 PM	#28
Torn Rose "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." ~ Mark Twain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4,806	Interesting, and he had copies to prove they "was of age" and the girls have been charged with having a false ID?

2007-01-04, 10:03 PM	#30
Torn Rose "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." ~ Mark Twain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4,806	Where is his copy of their IDs?

2007-01-05, 12:01 AM	#32
Torn Rose "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." ~ Mark Twain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4,806	damn.... I still want to know where are his copies of the underage IDs... I mean I'm sure he would have proof of age.

2007-01-13, 06:58 PM	#35
Torn Rose "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." ~ Mark Twain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4,806	But at least he has all the IDs.