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[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by SexyCityJim

...Now for every 2 galleries built there is automatically 1 freesite added as well....

That's EXACTLY how it should be done - for every 2 Hosted Galleries a sponsor has, that's one Free Site waiting in the wings

[Simon]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

That's EXACTLY how it should be done - for every 2 Hosted Galleries a sponsor has, that's one Free Site waiting in the wings

We were talking about the "exactly the same only different" thing here this morning. We're going at it from the other direction, and starting with FHS instead of galleries. And with a little planning, every new free hosted site design can kick out at least a couple of new galleries.

Simon
:::kicking self for waiting so long:::

[Greenguy]

Simon - that's the way I'd do it as well - my comment was sorta directed at sponsors that already have Hosted Galleries

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by SexyCityJim

Now for every 2 galleries built there is automatically 1 free site added as well.

Originally Posted by Simon

We're going at it from the other direction, and starting with FHS instead of galleries. And with a little planning, every new free hosted site design can kick out at least a couple of new galleries.

Either approach is fine, just so long as you gap some of this quality traffic. I started out using Jim's approach, then I went to Simon's and now what we do is select 24 to 30 images from a set, build the free site using 20 to 24 of the images (we always try to state with 20 but can not always lay it out with that few), then we take gallery 1 of the HFS and modify it for the TGP gallery. Thus, we have 256's HFS and 256 FHG's. We have found that by letting the HFS drive the FHG that you can keep both looking fresh since you do not have to develop your HFS theme around a damn gallery template.

One thing that sponsors fail on in the HFS world and it is almost as important to link list owners as the quality of the HFS, has only been mentioned one time in all the HFS discussions on the board. In this thread http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=10097 , Boogie made this comment

Originally Posted by Boogie

A large number of sites. 10 is not enough. 20 isn't either! Keep them coming.

The point is in order to be successful with HFS's, sponsors have to commit to putting HFS's out on a regular basis. I would say at least one per week for each site, but never more that one per day per site. As for as consistency in producing hosted free promos, I think Extreme Paychecks has nailed it.

[Greenguy]

Phoenix posted his official announcement over here for all you Adult Paymaster HFS lovers

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=17224

[dareutwo]

GG- I still don't think that covers it.
I can get Miles of gallery links in txt format..
but I haven't found one that has
SiteName|URL|Description format, available in txt format easy to import.
It's the sponsors site - let them write the title and descrip.
Why do you or I, or one of your underpaid employees , need to spend hours doing it?

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by dareutwo

GG- I still don't think that covers it.
I can get Miles of gallery links in txt format..
but I haven't found one that has
SiteName|URL|Description format, available in txt format easy to import.
It's the sponsors site - let them write the title and descrip.
Why do you or I, or one of your underpaid employees , need to spend hours doing it?

Give me a few more minutes (about 30) and I will have it done for you. I will post you the link it you don't have it.

[Thumbler]

Originally Posted by dareutwo

but I haven't found one that has
SiteName|URL|Description format, available in txt format easy to import.

Apart from OC Cash you mean?

[Greenguy]

I like writing my own descriptions - make them look more like normal sites as opposed to sponsor hosted ones. Most of the descriptions that I see for any hosted stuff is bad in my opinion, mostly because it's stuff I'd never say or use.

[dareutwo]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

I like writing my own descriptions - make them look more like normal sites as opposed to sponsor hosted ones. Most of the descriptions that I see for any hosted stuff is bad in my opinion, mostly because it's stuff I'd never say or use.

Fair enough
For Marks, I'd rewrite too, but to fill out other domains, I'd rather dump.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by dareutwo

Fair enough
For Marks, I'd rewrite too, but to fill out other domains, I'd rather dump.

Good point!

[dareutwo]

Thumbler -
Since some still may not have a clue.
And as far as the OC sites, still hosting my own until the NATS thing gets figured out.

<copied from actual text file>
http://www.lightspeedcash.com/fhg.php?Idontspam
http://www.lightspeedcash.com/fhg.php?Idontspam
http://www.lightspeedcash.com/fhg.php?Idontspam
<end copy>

Here's a sample of some txt files... this one site text file is 115 lines...

I don't see any Pipes here. ie, Site name, Title, description.

Guessing Chop may have an actual working promo in a bit.

[Chop Smith]

I am bad, Dareutwo. In my rush to whore, I miss-read your questions. I thought your were talking about the Adult Paymaster's HFS. Thanks for not slapping me, Greenguy. However, Dare, if it is HFS that you want to dump, then there is a solution.

[basschick]

thanks for this thread. we are actually about to create our first 10 free hosted sites this week, and i've already added this thread to my "TO DO" list to re-read it again before we start

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by basschick

thanks for this thread. we are actually about to create our first 10 free hosted sites this week, and i've already added this thread to my "TO DO" list to re-read it again before we start

Please make sure you read thru this thread as well

[Useless]

I'm bumping this thread because it's obvious that many sponsors who are providing HFSs haven't read it yet. I signed up to an -anonymous- sponsor last night for the sole purpose of listing their free sites. I went to grab the HFS links this morning and a quick scan of their free sites made me say "fuck them" out loud. Some of the sites I checked were okay, but I'm not going to filter through a moutain of shit to find one piece of tasty corn.

Amongst the errors:
*No title on the pages. In the title bar, yes - but not on the page itself.
*Single word titles that are nothing more than a girl's name.
*Exit link to WarningPages.com. (There have been numberous complaints about WarningPages blocking the surfer's back button. Plus, if I'm not making money on the link - it shouldn't be there. Exit to Google to you greedy bastards. My greed outweighs yours.)
*Pages with horizontal scroll.
*Galleries opening in new window.

And don't get me started about the ones that refer to a braces-wearing teen as a "dirty |ittle gir|". That's a whole other topic.

[Linkster]

UW - thanks - as I was just going through this thread yesterday after recommending it someone

Ive noticed a really bad trend developing with a few sponsors - in their haste to have lots of hosted free sites and provide them on a regular basis (which I think is really great) - they have turned the work of building these sites over to unsupervised outsourced labor. Then without even looking at the product they are posting the HFS's for their affiliate WMs to use.
I have one company that stands out in that they have used the exact same template for over 30 HFS's for each of their paysites - as well as providing content to the builders that has nothing to do with the paysite niche - how do you sell handjobs to a surfer by having two different models pose and rub their own pussy - it doesnt make any sense - especially when there is no text to lead the surfer to think they might even "possibly" see these same models on the site giving a handjob.
This is just a small example of how sponsors waste money on outsourcing and waste the affiliates time with junk

The worst part of all of this is that I informed this same sponsor three times through their affiliate manager that I would no longer list their HFS's unless they started taking an interest in their promo tools - but I got an email this morning with 10 more HFS's - same templates, same junk content and same non-selling shit
Guess I need some new sponsors

[Cleo]

My LL has a "report bad link" on each listing.

Against my better judgement I added in some HFS that had more then one Enter link on the first page.

I can tell you by my mailbox full of reported bad links that surfers really dislike having a misleading Enter links on sites.

[Greenguy]

I'd love to know what company is selling these pieces of shit to programs like Dee Cash & Join Right Now & the 1st batch of Rage Cash HFS's and a couple others that I just have on "ignore" when they release them.

I've pointed a lot of programs to this thread as well as this one:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=30075
but I think what we need to do is find the people that are building these horrendous piles of crap & bash them in public a bit so that they change the way they make HFS's & stop ripping of the companies that think they are doing a good thing by providing webmasters with useless HFS.

[Surfn]

I'm in total agreement with the last 3 posts in this thread. I waste too much time picking through hosted stuff that I list then a few months later some of them 302 to something I didn't list. Of the hundreds I have listed over the years there are probably only a few dozen left.

Sponsors either need to do it right or don't try. If the title is pussy licking lesbians and one gallery has that content and the next is some gal giving a handjob how does one list it? This one doesn't.

[Linkster]

Greenie - actually you hit the name of the company I was talking about in your post - and its a shame because although Im not a "whale" I do make some good consistent money with the program - although if they took the time to really get some good HFS's Im sure that amount I make would triple - as well as you and some others I know would be more likely to really push them - Deecash - are you listening??? Its just a shame those outsourcing companies are affecting their bottom line so much

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

...I've pointed a lot of programs to this thread as well as this one:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=30075
but I think what we need to do is find the people that are building these horrendous piles of crap & bash them in public a bit so that they change the way they make HFS's & stop ripping of the companies that think they are doing a good thing by providing webmasters with useless HFS.

You can now add Pimp Profits to the list of programs that I've pointed to this & the other thread. Hopefully they'll read it & change around their HFS process (and get rid of the random content - just typing that gives me the douche chills)

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by Surfn

I waste too much time picking through hosted stuff that I list then a few months later some of them 302 to something I didn't list. Of the hundreds I have listed over the years there are probably only a few dozen left.

My numbers different from your statement. On HFS Links, I have over 8,500 hfs listed. Thru 03/06/06, when HFSLinks.com was one year old, my bot had reported the following number of errors.

Code: 301 - 39
Code: 302 - 77
Code: 403 - 34
Code: 404 - 58
Code: 503 - 2

As you well know, a bot is not perfect. Many of those 301's and 302's were good links.

As we discussed in OTB two weeks ago, sponsors' hfs' should be treated as a submitted site. They should be reviewed and if the sponsor is a cheat then they should be blacklisted.

In my opinion, less than 2% going bad in a year is not a bad record for sponsors offering hfs'.

Originally Posted by Surfn

Sponsors either need to do it right or don't try. If the title is pussy licking lesbians and one gallery has that content and the next is some gal giving a handjob how does one list it? This one doesn't.

Now, this is a problem. I did not invent the process of taking two fhg and building a free site of them, Since I started doing "fillers" several sponsors have began doing it. Maybe they should have read this. They tend to forget to theme the hfs.

[Linkster]

Chop - I see no problem whatsoever with using two of the hosted galleries for making free sites - however as you say they really need to be on theme and similar - heck most of the real sucessful free site submitters (not hosted) that I know of have been using their own two tgp galleries and putting a main and warning page on them for as long as I can remember - time saver.

As far as hosted free sites going down/redirecting etc - I can definitely think of one sponsor that is famous for doing this on a regular basis - I used to catch them by doing two bot runs daily - just to identify what was going on - and these days even though they had many hundreds of HFS's I only have a few left listed for them. I also know of one sponsor that used to rotate(Im not sure if they still do as I dropped pushing them) the internal pages - you wouldnt catch it on a standard bot run because everything seemed hunky-dorey to the bot

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by Linkster

As far as hosted free sites going down/redirecting etc - I can definitely think of one sponsor that is famous for doing this on a regular basis - I used to catch them by doing two bot runs daily - just to identify what was going on - and these days even though they had many hundreds of HFS's I only have a few left listed for them. I also know of one sponsor that used to rotate(Im not sure if they still do as I dropped pushing them) the internal pages - you wouldnt catch it on a standard bot run because everything seemed hunky-dorey to the bot

I understand. As you know I do not list all published hfs' as some are just 'pieces of shit' and if I discover a sponsor cheating with his hfs' I would take him down.

No one seems to have a problem outting bad submitters. Perhaps it is time to start sharing information about sponsor hosted free sites in public. GG and I have talked about a rating system but each batch of releases would have to be rated as you never know who they were out sourced. For a free service, a rating system would be subjective and time consuming.

Originally Posted by Surfn

As I said I have deleted thousands for changing their content and for going 404. I'm not going to argue who is right or wrong and what numbers are correct. I know which sponsors have cheated in the past and I don't use them.

I was not trying to start an arguement. If so I would have said: "Generalizations are not worth a damn, including this one." Churchhill, I think.