2257 arguments

[Greenguy]

Tommy - this was the old law:
Any producer required by this part to maintain records shall make such records available to the Attorney General or his delegee for inspection at all reasonable times.
You've been breaking it since you bought your 1st CD of content

[guitar riff]

If they really wanted to stamp out CP then they should just block thr russian federations that would kill 90% of it Plain and simple but no that will never happen they dont want to piss off the russian govt.

[Linkster]

actually - every submission and email Ive ever received has been in the US - the latest wave seems to be on the Yahoo hosting servers - the last one I reported was located in Oregon

[Candy]

Originally Posted by Jim

Tommy, that is just a few holes in the 2257 argument. What about the right to privacy for the models? Is the right to privacy out the window with this new deal? Think of another time in history where the government could come into your home or office whenever they saw fit. It reminds me of Germany many years ago I will not say the "N" word. But if this bogus law went through all the way, I would feel like a Jew. What's next, concentration camps for those that don't comply with 2257?

Bring it on Cocksuckers

My biggest problem is that I can not give out my address. No way. I sit here all fukcing day. I will surely be stalked by fans and freaks. I am the producer and the model. BIG PROBLEM. I CAN NOT PUT MY ADDRESS ON THE INTERNET. I also can not give my id to affiliates who promote me. So they just took away my right completely to express myself naked and operate my own website. I have no fucking right what so ever to be naked if I want to. And I have no right to publish my own images. Only someone else with an address has that right. So the gov is saying I must sell all y pics to a producer who has an address to circulate them. I WANT MY FREEDOM AND I WANT PRIVACY AND I WANT PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW.

I will be stalked, my identity stolen and I am sure as hell 8 fucking teen or OLDER.

[RawAlex]

Candy, even if you had privacy as the model, there is no right to privacy for businesses. You are free to get naked, and the government is free to ask you to state (on the websites) where your business is located. That you also happen to be the model is the sort of confusion you need to deal with personally.

You have the right to be naked.
You have the right to publish images
You have the right to privacy that you don't have to waive as a model

You don't have the right to run an undeclared business, and the government is well within it's rights to ask you to declare your business.

I understand your pain and frustration, but the problem you really have is one of structure. You apparently don't have a company or LLC or business registration of some sort. Otherwise you could use that name as your producer for records. Unless you rented an office, you would still have to use the same address, but that is another issue all together.

Single models are getting screwed by this new law mostly because you use to be free to do whatever with no implied or actual responsbilities. Now that you are responsible for something, now you have to declare yourself in the open, well, it sucks.

Good luck, The answers to your problem are, well, expensive.

Alex

[Linkster]

Candy - you can hide as much of it as you want - if someone really wanted to track you down they could pretty easily - just as a quick test I checked a few things you guys have out there and there are leads that would probably let me find you within one day Its all dependant on how hard someone really wants to find something - just keep in mind that your history of domain ownership and internet archives all give away enough to that idiot that wants to stalk.

[Wenchy]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

You don't have the right to run an undeclared business, and the government is well within it's rights to ask you to declare your business.

Alex

Alex, you and I are normally on the same page, but I have to disagree with you on this one point. As long as Candy is paying her taxes, her business is NOT undeclared.

I run a business from my home already and have for more years than I care to admit... never once has anyone suggested or "legislated" that I publish my private information for public dissemination.

Due to the fact that the pornography itself is NOT illegal (a point that even the government has conceded), I fail to see the legality between picking and choosing which businesses have to publish and which are exempt. We are all home-based businesses and should fall under the same basic umbrella.

My sticking point with the whole publish-your-address issue is simply this: If my P O Box is good enough for the IRS, it should damned well be good enough for the DOJ.

Just my 2 cents

[RawAlex]

Wenchy, your PO box likely isn't good enough for a business license or occupation permit. We are all in business. That some of us choose to work from home doesn't mean that the rules of doing business should be re-written for us.

I am not for publishing model infomation online.

I am not against publishing of company information.

If the model information and the company information happen to be the same, well, then it is likely something that the model needs to work out for herself or himself.

I feel sad about the concept that some people may be driven out of the business because they are not able to publish their business address because of choices made in the past.

Remember too: Models that run their own sites are particularly in the deep end anyway, because they are the primary producers. I might be willing to accept the concept of a secondary producer being able to use a PO box or similar, but primary producers have major obligations under the law (even the original law as passed by congress) that cannot be sidestepped.

Her existing 2257 statement is invalid on it's face:

http://www.adultcustomgoods.com/2257.htm

Sending the feds to a PO box isn't going to work. Regardless of old laws new laws she was not compliant. The records obviously were not inside that PO box.

The rest is the rest. If there is enough money in the business, rent an office and work from there 20 hours per week. If privacy is that valuable, then take the steps.

Alex

[Tommy]

Candy
I am sorry, I dont really see that much of a argument for the models and thir privacy

yes they would like to be private but as nude models they sort of sold that right..... for money

they knew this when they did the modeling, copies were made of thir driver license and ss card for 2257 records

is it really a big deal that now their are a lot more people keeping those records

companys pass and sell info all the time

anyone can look up the records for ANY corperation in the us (online also)
its always been that way, as soon as you incorprate that info is a matter of public record

[Linkster]

Alex - taking a quick look she does have a corporation and it looks to be real - was originally in New Jersey and now in Las Vegas - but unfortunately, you will also find in many jurisdictions that you can have a PO box for a corporation - you dont have to have a specific real address in a lot of states in the US - I have two corporations that are fully licensed and operate that way with no problem as long as the state gets their $25 every year

[RawAlex]

LInkster, that is true, but you cannot send the DOJ to check 2257 records in a po box. You never have been able to do that, not since 2257 came into being.

I would feel worse if she was only as secondard provider getting squeezed by new rules, but it is clear she had been and continues to be a primary provider, and the rules are the rules in that area.

Alex