Xbiz promoting newsgroup reseller?

[RawAlex]

Eroticusenet, I am like Jeremy, just a newbie from 96 or 97... I haven't been at this very long. Your service (as a standard newsgroup thing) has been around for quite a while. The thumbnailer program used inside your site (and actively promoted in your sales pitch) has been around for a while, more typically on an end user basis rather than on a server basis. Without even accessing your site, I am able to show where you aggregate, filter, and extract images for end users to download. It's right there in your ad copy, the image is right there, try to deny what is directly on your own site. You don't make people download all the newsgroup to find images (standard newsgroup operation) but instead you filter out all the messages, all the headers, all the thread info, and allow the users to click thumbnails and generate a downloadable file (likely zipped to save bandwidth) of all the images, movies, and such that they select. They receive this data MINUS the actual posting that went with it.

As someone else asked: Is this true yes or no? No ad copy, no long speeches, can people click on thumbnails generated by your system and download images only without messages directly from your service? YES OR NO?

If you answer yes, do you have license and 2257 documentation for those images?

If the answer is NO, then please consult a lawyer. If the answer is yes, then I doubt you understand the question or have chosen not to answer truthfully.

Please answer the simple questions. No speeches, no ad copy, no on and on. It's about your service. Answer the questions.

Alex

[Verbal]

This thread is useless without demos.

[RawAlex]

This thread is useless without answers.

Alex

[Useless]

This thread is useless.

[RawAlex]

Gee, thanks!

[Useless]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Gee, thanks!

D'oh!

[Greenguy]

I was just thinking last night that this will end up being one of those threads that just slowly fades away without any action on the part of the people we think are in the wrong.

Oh well - any moron that uses their service deserves a life of pain & suffering living in Useless Warrior's neighborhood

[Wizzo]

damn, that was along read without a "happy ending" ... Like a bad night at a tittiebar... lol

[RawAlex]

Well, GG, the truth is in there somewhere. That this guy / company has declined to make their product available for review even for a short period of time tells me that they have something to hide. Honest business people would be up here with usernames, passwords, jump pages, something... so that all doubt could be removed and their product given the once over. Instead, they chose ad copy, avoidance, slippery "2257 exemption" posts, and all sorts of other techniques for avoiding the basic subjects:

- Usenet contains images posted without permission.
- Usenet contains images that could be classed as KP
- Usenet is a cesspool of spam.

and finally:

any attempt to seperate the good (content) from the bad (spam), specifically by allowing shortcut or direct access to only images and / or video content on the newsgroups is a form of publishing, and as such the company is liable under 2257 and contract law for the redistribution of those images.

Pure hosted usenet access would be fine - the filters are their undoing and put them in to never never land. No sane paysite operator would want to get caught trying to explain all these unlicensed images with no 2257 documentation and no way to prove who has them.

Alex

[Wenchy]

I've read through this thread twice now and couldn't resist the urge to comment. IMHO, anyone to answers repeated legitimate questions with regurgitated ad copy and makes so little effort to address any one of the issues presented has something to hide. What's the old saying about "dazzle 'em with bullshit"?

Somehow reading through it all again I was reminded of my last experience with a used-car salesman... ask about the mileage and he tells you about their 90-day warranty.

Admittedly, I know next to nothing about usenet, but Alex makes some valid points about the function of their software, the manipulation of posted pictures, and the 2257 question. As a WM who's been around the biz for many years, I wouldn't touch that with somebody else's 10-foot pole.

Furthermore, I would extend a note of caution to anyone who does use their system... do so at your own peril. Call me paranoid, but it occurs to me that if a 2257 issue were to come up, these people would do everything in their power to pass the torch of responsibility and legal liability to those who posted the pics in the first place, so have all your ducks neatly in their little rows. Not that they would be successful, but the attempt could make things rather uncomfortable for anyone associated with them or their service.

If the thread fizzles, so be it... but I'll be interested to see how it all turns out.

[RawAlex]

Well, if I show up every so often and add a few lines, it stays active... sooner or later someone will have to answer.

[swedguy]

One of the admins should subscribe him to this thread and turn on "email notify me of new replies"

[RawAlex]

That might help...

[Greenguy]

I'd never stoop to that level

[RawAlex]

I am starting to think I need to start a new thread, maybe make boardtracker wake some people up.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I am starting to think I need to start a new thread, maybe make boardtracker wake some people up.

What? A new thread about Eroticusenet so that the folks at Eroticusenet will come and respond the the thread about Eroticusenet?

Might work.

That's a strange name. Eroticusenet, that is.
What is so erotic about usenet? Usenet doesn't sound erotic at all. Eroticusenet, hmmm. Almost as exciting as Cheeseburgerusenet, but not erotic at all.

Have you ever had an erotic experience while sifting through the usenet? No? Me either.

I don't think that usenet is all that user friendly. Maybe we should have Sparky toss up a script that could filter the bullshit text and advertising from the usenet and give us only erotic images. Then we could resell access to those filtered and previously stolen images and make some money. Now that's erotic! Oh wait. What about 2257? 2257 isn't erotic at all. Ah fuck it. Let's just do it and tell everyone that 2257 does not pertain to us. If any one asks about it, we'll just keep saying that 2257 has nothing to do with us. If they ask again, we'll repeat the same thing. See- now that's how you make usenet erotic.

[swedguy]

Since there's a lot of talk about Guba nowadays, this thread deserves a bump