AEBN is NOT 20% for Life

[Gnus]

Just in case some people haven't seen the thread on GFY titled "AEBN is following VS steps". AEBN wasn't responding to the thread so we wrote our rep and she responded with this:

Thank you for inquiring.

I'd love to answer your questions in person; please feel free to give me a call so we can discuss.

So we called her and she told us this:
If you remove your links that the business relationship has been terminated by the affiliate and that the account would be terminated.
She said nothing in regards to having to have new members. Just if you removed you links that you have terminated the business relationship with AEBN and the account would be terminated. So basically there 20% for life is not for life. It's 20% as long as you keep your links up.

Gary

[Greenguy]

Let me see if I can get my contact to pop on by.

[Greenguy]

I spoke to Bishop & he sent this thread URL to his marketing people, as they are handling this "situation"

BTW Gary, feel free to stop around a bit more - it's been almost 14 months since your last post, which was you joining into a piss thread. And it's been 28 months since you said anything outside of a piss thread (except for Happy Birthday posts)

[ronnie]

I can vouch for Gary, very good long time friend actually. He just tends to be a quite passionate about certain topics. Know I've been there. Just need to get him to post more!

I confirmed the same thing with my Rep. You take down the links or stop promoting, you've terminate the relationship and basically you don't get paid. They say you get paid for the life of your members in their sales pitch, but they don't say, only as long as you promote them.

[Greenguy]

I'm just wondering how long it's going to take these people with too much time on their hands to go thru the TOS for EVERY adult revshare program & report back if they pay out after the webmaster closes his business.

[JohnnyR]

A member that I sent is a member that I sent, and any moneys that you make off that member is because of me and I am due my share! Keeping what is mine is called thievery.

Why the fuck should a sponsor care whether I sell bibles or diapers nowdays? I STILL SENT YOU THE PAYING CUSTOMER!

Am I supposed to be afraid to delete files from my server or let domains expire cuz some sponsor might say "AHA, you pulled our link, no more moneys for you!"? WTF?

Oh yeah, and making me have to call you just to tell me you're stealing my moneys is the cherry on the top of the up-your-webmaster-ass cake.

Why isn't anybody calling on this bullshit?????

Gary put a small link saying "shitty site" in like font size 5 on the bottom of your lousiest page and sue their ass!

[Greenguy]

Here's their official statement - from http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...7#post14380757

Alright everyone is jumping to conclusions and looking for a public response from AEBN. Here is the deal.

After 9 years in the business we had to clean some house. We have marked some accounts as "Do Not Pay". It is very likely that the accounts effected won't belong to hardly anyone reading this post. If you are currently or have in the past sent traffic to AEBN your account is probably fine.

The reason the accounts have been set not to pay is as follows.

- We are getting the checks back in the mail
- We have affiliates from nine years ago that we don't have any contact information for at all
- We have not received a W-9 after repeat attempts
- The affiliate has passed away, was abducted by a UFO or otherwise just vanished and we can't find 'em.
- Affiliate is attempting affiliate fraud

All members will still be associated with your account. We are not taking members or deleting affiliate accounts, We are simply putting them in a do not pay status until whatever various issue can be resolved. We are telling people they won't be paid and why. However, every case is unique and should be handled with your rep. We're not going to deal with each case on this or any other board.

Notice there are lots of people looking for answers in this thread this week but not alot of people saying they have been effected. Our phones are not blowing up with people calling and asking questions. What we are doing will not likely effect you.

We haven't changed our Terms Of Service. We are just exercising them. You have nothing to worry about as long as you're not dead, tried to fraud us, have given us a W-9, etc.

If you have moved and have not let us know of any change of address info, we are not going to hire a private investigator to track you down or put your face on a milk carton. Be a responsible business person.

Hope this settles the hysteria. Our overzealous competitors can put their cake and party hats down now

I appologize for any confusion one of our new reps might have caused.

1.800.628.0241
M-F 8:30-5:30 EST

Jerry Anders | VP, Sales & Marketing
http://www.aebn.com

This is pretty much what Bishop told me in confidence this morning, but for obvious reason I was asked to not say anything.

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JohnnyR - someone on GFY stated "Seems to me the person that started this thread does not fall into any of your 'Do not Pay' categories. Or is there something he is not telling us?" Gary falls into this category. IMHO he just started this thread on here because he wanted to let all the good people here at Greenguy & Jim know the rumor he read on GFY (the thread is here - http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=836928 - have fun reading all 234 posts while being distracted by 750x250 sig files)

[ronnie]

I think your taking the posts out of context. It was not a rumor, per say, thats exactly how it was put to both Gary and myself by a rep. When some one says you terminate the business relationship, what would most people think? It was like the rep pretty much verifying the other thread. This was before Jerry posted. Guess people shouldn't listen to the reps, least some of them.

[ArtWilliams]

It reminds of the "lifetime" warranties. You always have to read the fine print and figure out to whose lifetime it refers!

Does anyone know where I get warranty service on my K-tel Hamburger Patty Stacker? Never mind, it's a 1970s Canadian thing.

[SheepGuy]

I have no problem with "lifetime" meaning the the lifetime that you are in business. If you leave the business you leave the business. The thought that there was some kind of a retirement plan given by sponsors had never occurred to me.

[Greenguy]

ronnie - my problem is that Gary has not posted in 14 months & then suddenly, he's here blowing whistles.

Had you (or any other member that contributes on a regular basis) posted what he did, I'd have probably never posted the "BTW...." stuff. My 1st reply was fair & impartial - and it was what I do anytime I see what I think is a legit complaint/question for a sponsor with who I have a contact. I only did that BTW thing after realizing that the AEBN smear campaign was in full effect on here & GFY, as well as other boards.

[frikkinpornster]

On a personal level I think AEBN have actually been very good. Just the other day my rep rang to offer some advice for my own site and then emailed me a bunch of links to various galleries and offers she'd put together for me. That kind of service is the kind that will get me busting my ass to promote AEBN products.

[HappySpanker]

Please excuse my nievete, but the statement from AEBN does not say accounts are removed for referral inactivity. Why not just leave up a FS with AEBN links on it and retain the commissions?

[CD Smith]

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

I have no problem with "lifetime" meaning the the lifetime that you are in business. If you leave the business you leave the business. The thought that there was some kind of a retirement plan given by sponsors had never occurred to me.

However, I do think someone should be able to leave the business and still get paid until their rebills run out. You sent those sales in good faith, you should be paid for the lifetime of those referrals whether or not you remain in adult.

If I saw wording like that in the TOS of a program I was thinking of promoting I would close the window and move on.

[JohnnyR]

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

I have no problem with "lifetime" meaning the the lifetime that you are in business. If you leave the business you leave the business. The thought that there was some kind of a retirement plan given by sponsors had never occurred to me.

Not only do I disagree with this 100%, but I find it hard to believe you're actually thinking that way. Say one day you figure "boy am I sick of building AVS sites, I have enough members to last me a lifetime" and choose to retire, would you be OK with the sponsors keeping all your members, your rebills and your moneys? Hell bud, you must be an even nicer guy then I already thought u were

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

Not only do I disagree with this 100%, but I find it hard to believe you're actually thinking that way. Say one day you figure "boy am I sick of building AVS sites, I have enough members to last me a lifetime" and choose to retire, would you be OK with the sponsors keeping all your members, your rebills and your moneys? Hell bud, you must be an even nicer guy then I already thought u were

If I removed my AVS sites I would be cool with that. But why would I do that? Renewing my domains wouldn't take up too much of my retirement time. Also, with AEBN it's not renewals, it's past customers buying new movies.
I may reconsider when my retirement plan kicks in, roughly 39 years from now, on my 85th birthday, August 31, 2047

[LD]

They probably should define "lifetime". Seems reasonable to think it would be the life of the business relationship, but I can see where it could have a different meaning.

[Simon]

My feeling is that if a program has to define "Lifetime" then I suggest that a better idea would be to stop using the term.

Words like Lifetime should have a generally-accepted meaning and if you don't mean that, then don't use the word at all. Or at least anyone who does use it to mean anything but the accepted meaning should have to put a HUGE ASTERISK next to the word every single place it appears and have to put their "definition" of Lifetime* on the bottom of every single page on which the term appears.

I don't like the "1984" aspect of allowing more Newspeak to creep into our business. Using a 'definition' to narrow what a word like Lifetime would otherwise mean is not something I think we should allow anyone to do.


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[James_HotMovies]

My problem with all this is that it hurts VOD revshare in general.

webmasters will get concerned about the long tail of their work.

We promote moviedollars with the idea - Hey, you won't initially get the $40 pps, but your users will eventually be worth way more then $40.

we cut our costs by not having to do all of the scam detection that a pps program has to do. webmasters make money for years off individual users they sent, regardless if they still have links up.

You could have sent your traffic to a PPS company on that day, week, month, whatever. Instead you sent it to me and I thank you by paying for years on that account.

Now if webmasters get turned off by companies not doing what they promised they won't promote rev-share. Next thing you know I need to hire more staff and offer a pps option.



I still get my checks from AEBN, I still send them traffic and will continue to do so. I don't agree with what their doing, but what choice do we have as webmasters? none.

my recommendation to webmasters is to keep your links to AEBN up, but make sure all your eggs aren't in one basket.

[CD Smith]

Originally Posted by James_HotMovies

My problem with all this is that it hurts VOD revshare in general.

webmasters will get concerned about the long tail of their work.

We promote moviedollars with the idea - Hey, you won't initially get the $40 pps, but your users will eventually be worth way more then $40.

we cut our costs by not having to do all of the scam detection that a pps program has to do. webmasters make money for years off individual users they sent, regardless if they still have links up.

You could have sent your traffic to a PPS company on that day, week, month, whatever. Instead you sent it to me and I thank you by paying for years on that account.

Now if webmasters get turned off by companies not doing what they promised they won't promote rev-share. Next thing you know I need to hire more staff and offer a pps option.



I still get my checks from AEBN, I still send them traffic and will continue to do so. I don't agree with what their doing, but what choice do we have as webmasters? none.

my recommendation to webmasters is to keep your links to AEBN up, but make sure all your eggs aren't in one basket.

Good post, and not having one's eggs all in one basket is sound advice at any time.

[JohnnyR]

Originally Posted by James_HotMovies

I still get my checks from AEBN, I still send them traffic and will continue to do so. I don't agree with what their doing, but what choice do we have as webmasters? none.

What do you mean what choice do we have. To stop promoting them, obviously! There are tons of sponsors out there! Oh but wait, then they won't pay you your hard-earned recurring moneys...

I don't care what anyone says, not paying webmasters their percentage for the surfers they sent is not right!!!!!!!!! How can anyone see it as fair escapes me! It's my own damn business what I do with my sites! If I want to replace the links to the sponsor with links to the local bible group on my own domain, then i will do just that, while expecting to still get paid for the surfers that I signed. Why is there there even a debate on this one????

So besides not putting your eggs in one basket, one might pay attention who it is that he's getting in bed with in the first place!

[xxxjay]

My check is pretty consistant from AEBN. Sometime I find it kind of strange how I generate the exact same amout of money from them day in and day out, but other than that they are solid.