Question For All Freesite Submitters

[MadMax]

There have been a couple threads recently regarding what swedguy has dubbed NexGen(TM) reciprocal links.

These threads:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...threadid=14050
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...threadid=14333

Now, since I'll be rolling out a new link list in the next couple months and I'm considering what to do with my recips, I've got a question for all the freesite submitters here. I know full well I may end up tossed under a bus for this, but here goes.

Most LLs have gone to niche recips to enhance link relevance and improve SE rankings. This is of course somewhat of a pain in the ass for submitters, but in the end helps everyone with increased SE traffic. The NexGen(TM) recips swedguy originally brought up are a single general recip with 10-15 outbound category specific links in them in size 1 type.

This of course makes the recip code-heavy, but it gives the LL multiple category links with good anchor text and gives submitters a single recip instead of a different one for every category. This makes everything more convenient, and of course eliminates declining links due to the wrong recip (which was stated as a top reason for declines in another recent thread).

So what do you think? Given the choice, would you rather have one code-heavy recip table to worry about with 10-15 links coming out of it, or niche recips with a couple links that are more relevant to the content of your freesite?

Most LL owners are also freesite submitters (including myself), so what do you guys think about all this. I know this thread has the potential to degenerate pretty quickly, but I'm hoping for a real discussion on the topic.

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Useless]

If you can fit all of your category links onto recip without making it huge, then go for it. When it comes to recip size for link lists, I just like to be able to place three of them per row comfortably without going wider than 700-750.

I wonder what the search engine gurus think of this. Would this have a negative impact from that end?

Personaly, I like indivdual category recips. But I have been drinking a lot lately.

[anteyes]

I'd rather not make my freesites a link farm with 15 links per link list. They do look nice though.

[ponygirl]

as long as they were coded properly, I wouldn't have a problem with it...I find I do have to "fix" a few along the way right now...

if there was a lot of code it may be harder to find any errors. Altho, if the recips were the same every time you could just do a few templates up pretty easily.

It would be nice if all LLs used one method, either a general recip, a niche recip or these new ones.

my 2 cents
Ponygirl

[Cheerful1]

I love the idea for it's ease, however anything we love for ease of use and pure practicality an SE will surely hate. They hate everything!

[billaaa777]

I rather just get listed after 12 hours of work or get an email telling why you not listed, so you can fix it!

[Cheerful1]

Originally posted by billaaa777
I rather just get listed after 12 hours of work or get an email telling why you not listed, so you can fix it!

Off topic Bill, so I will make it quick. But the beauty of this board and the why wasn't I listed threads is that you get a lot of people's opinions on your site and though one may say "I wont list because of X y or z" I have seen others say "Hey looks good to me I would list it"
You have two things done then, got your reason so you can fix and gained another place to submit to.

[JoeBlack]

Originally posted by anteyes
I'd rather not make my freesites a link farm with 15 links per link list. They do look nice though.

I agree with anteyes. 15 links from every link list would bleed our sites of any search engine PR/Serps Ranking. It might help the traffic at the moment for us but after our site leaves the LLs first page we rely on our SEO to bring in traffic to our sites. So in my opinion I think the basic recips will be the best way to go.

JoeBlack

[FTS]

I dont see the nexGen recips taking off, although its more convienient for he submitter, like mentioned by joe, SE's wont like it, and all in all its not that difficult to get the proper recips...

[Lemmy]

I really don't care either way as long as the recip isn't too big on the page. I only have one wish: Please hardcode the text color on a contrasting background.

[Greenguy]

Good idea for your own sites where no reviewer will ever see the 15 extra links - bad idea for normal run-of-the-mill free sites

I smell a new rule

[Useless]

Originally posted by Greenguy
I smell a new rule

Uh-oh!

[swedguy]

Originally posted by MadMax
There have been a couple threads recently regarding what swedguy has dubbed NexGen(TM) reciprocal links.

If it wasn't clear before.... the whole thing was a joke

[MadMax]

I know you were playing around swedguy

You did, however, manage to get me thinking |rasta|

Since I'm no SEO guru I decided to put the concept out on the floor for opinions and see what fell out of the tree. I think I'll be doing a nice general recip with a couple links out and some nifty anchor text, which was pretty much my intention before the NexGen(TM) (don't want to get on Acacia's bad side ) thing came up.

Greedy bastard that I am, if submitters were fans of me having extra links in exchange for their own convenience I might have gone down that road...but it looks like the negative impact on SEO would just be too much. As was pointed out, if everyone did the same thing each warning page could have 100 links out just to the link lists, and that won't do anyone any good.

Thanks for your thoughts everyone!

[DangerDave]

UW - Would this have a negative impact from that end

IMO this would have multiple negative SE effects, as it alters relevancy, keyword density, text denisity, and makes significant changes to the code in your page. I saw one recip that was 1400 characters... thats more the I use a in a total front page

PG - I wouldn't have a problem with it

You should have a problem with it PG... adding that sort of recip(and/or just using 6+ of the current multiple recips) can make a hugely significant difference to you page and it SE "value"(as stated above)


As I have said before IMO category recips do far more damage than good, and I am yet to see 'evidence' that they work for anyone but the recieving site, and even then I believe they value is poor or negative.

[Cleo]

Yeah that would be just great… entrance pages with 700+ outgoing links.

[ponygirl]

since I don't know much about how the whole SE thing works yet, this is good information to know...I am just starting to see SE traffic through my site & I can tell it does make a difference...

I think the thing that would really appeal to freesite builders would be the ease of use...it does take longer to use niche specific recips, especially if you are submitting to 80 or so LLs every free site. I tried making templates and it works, but sometimes a site doesn't fit into the same niche at each LL so you still have to tweak it even if you have a template.

I don't mind using them, really, but if they are not good for SE traffic, why bother? Would it have the same effect on SE ranking for the LL owner as well as the freesite? I have seen LLs list the reason for using them as to increase SE traffic...

very confusing to a newbie!

Ponygirl

[ngb1959]

Just keep them 150 wide or under please.

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by ngb1959
Just keep them 150 wide or under please.

I can fit a lot of links & a shitload of code into a 150 wide table

[Beejeebers]

If a page has more links on it, doesn't a search engine "like" it more?

I have no problem with category recips, but this idea of putting several links on one recip is kinda neat. It would make life easier for submitters, but life isn't that hard once you've got your tables set up.

[mb]

I would not accept any site that was submitted to me that had one of these "recips" on the same page as my own recip.

I consider this exploiting the whole idea of category recips.

marc

[DangerDave]

Originally posted by Beejeebers
If a page has more links on it, doesn't a search engine "like" it more?

Beejeebers, nothing in the world of search engines is as simple as that statement. Everything is relative to other things, text on page, outgoing links, etc etc..

DD

[Mishi]

Originally posted by mb
I would not accept any site that was submitted to me that had one of these "recips" on the same page as my own recip.

I consider this exploiting the whole idea of category recips.

marc

Exploiting and invalidating, IMO. For the record, I will not be accepting sites that use these so-called "next generation" recips. What crap. Geez.

Next thing you know, free sites will have hardcore.

(For the record, one of the above is dead serious, the other is tongue-in-cheek.)

[anteyes]

It would be a link farm in the SE's eyes and it would devalue the recip links for the link lists and also make the freesite less valuable. I will not be accepting any of these recips. Please don't make this a habit guys. They look great and it's a great idea in theory, but not at all good for SE's and I feel SE's are the only reason I create free sites.

[neticule]

not a good idea in my opinion, i dont know if things have changed but not to long ago, google gave a tip saying not to have more then 100 links on a page, because only the 1st 100 will be spidered. meaning if i put 8-12 recips up with all those links, the search engine spiders wont even reach my enter link...