Gallery & Site Builders what do you use to make money?

[Extreme John]

Gallery Builders, Site Builders and AVS Site Builders which form of content do you use to make money?

All I can say is that two of our best clients do nothing but post TGPs and buy content. They buy from us becasue most of the people they drive traffic to also buy from us.

[Greenguy]

A mix of 1 & 3, but that's not an option

[docholly]

...or a combo of all 3 ...

this probably isn't the right place for this either.. or maybe it has been suggested before and i missed it..

but when purchasing content..it would be helpful to know how many times that 'set' had been purchased... especially in the "older" content like dated from past years.. (the dates are really helpful as well) .. if a set is from 2001 but only purchased say 10 times.. that means it didn't get circulated much and could be "re-freshed".. since i'd venture to say most webmasters want to purchase NEW NEW NEW.. but for us, it's just fill in between photo shoots.

by the way, my most traffic'd/ROI site that was "used" content was the Chainsaw |chainsaw| FREE set that was posted here.. we titled it "morning wood" and it's still racking up mega hits as well as SE strings.. and when you can make money off of FREE your ROI is 100%..

to Greenguy and Jim for dusting off their old content and letting us make it 'fresh' again!!

[Extreme John]

Originally posted by Paul Markham2
All I can say is that two of our best clients do nothing but post TGPs and buy content. They buy from us becasue most of the people they drive traffic to also buy from us.

Thats great Paul, good to know. I would still prefer to hear from the actual Webmasters that do one of the above, anyone from either a Content store or an Affiliate Program can say how someone else makes money, for instance I can say, "All I can say is that my top 50 affiliates use our content to do nothing more than Post to Tgp's, Build Sites, etc. and they never spend money on content". Thats a one sided view coming from me IMHO.

I know you want to hear from webmasters but here is another twist.

Porn is not programming. Programming is a science, put the correct symbols in the right order and HEY PRESTO it works. Porn is subject to personal tastes and is an art rather than a science.

What you have to do is consider first is what you are trying to achieve. Drive Surfer A to Site B in the hope that what he sees he likes and will sign up.

First thing on TGPs is getting listed.
This needs content that has not been submitted to that TGP site 10 times before. Then you need a to get the surfer to like what he sees and think *This could be worth a further look* When he goes to the site he needs to be satisfied it was not a wasted click and further intrigued. Enough to take the tour and sign up.

To do this you need to show him content that fits the site you are aiming at and is not over exposed. Obviously content from the site fits the first, but unless the paysite owner has had content shot exclusively for him the second requirement could be sorely missing. If he is giving it to affiliates you can bet others are. No free rides in business.

So consider what a single sign up is worth, then ask yourself if fresh content that fits your sponsors site will get you an extra sign up. If the answer is yes now comes the really hard work, you have to ask your sponsor where he buys his content and go over there and buy some. You might even be lucky enough to get content that features in his tour.

Now work out how that is going to improve your stats.

[kristian]

I use a mixture of exclusive content and inexpensive amateur paid content.

There's a lot of advantages to shooting content, so obviously these sets always perform best for me. I can tailor it to the sponsor I'm promoting. Results here can sometimes be extremely good for even galleries. I've been lucky to have some generate $2000+ over night...but my average is never that good unfortunately.

Inexpensive amateur content is what I use steadily. I stick primarily to this niche. The reason I choose cheap content is simple business sense. Since, for the amateur niche, the more raw-looking the shots, the better - in my experience - it works. Of course, it never pays to buy over-used content. My cheap may not be equal to that od other webmasters.

[Chop Smith]

Paul has hit this one on the head!

I spent about 6 months building a submission database of around 1500 TGP's. Got listed by most; but of the galleries which got declined and a reason was given 76.28% percent was because the content was overused. Some galleries will not even look at some galleries containing certain sponsor's content. They state on their rule pages that the content is overused.

On the other hand, I think if you get the surfer excited about a model and he signs up for the site and can't find the model in the sponsor's content he will be disappointed.

BTW; Paul, I am looking for content on Erica Rose Campbell. You don't have any on you site. Do you know anyone that does? I know Sexiercontent had four sets.

Hi Chop
Thanks for the seconding. Sorry never heard of the girl, where is she from?

[Surfn]

Extreme John

You didn’t list “no content” some of us can sell without content and do very well thank you.

[SomeCreep]

Originally posted by docholly


but when purchasing content..it would be helpful to know how many times that 'set' had been purchased... especially in the "older" content like dated from past years.. (the dates are really helpful as well) .. if a set is from 2001 but only purchased say 10 times.. that means it didn't get circulated much and could be "re-freshed".. since i'd venture to say most webmasters want to purchase NEW NEW NEW.. but for us, it's just fill in between photo shoots.

Yeah, that would be nice for webmasters, but I can think of a few reasons why content providers dont do that.

1.) It tells their competition exactly how much they're selling and which sets.

2.) Posting numbers still wouldnt mean much if the photographer sold the set to 20 different content providers.

3.) If a webmaster saw the set had been sold too many times, they wouldnt buy it, so the content provider would lose money.

[kristian]

Surfn...how so? |raising eyebrows

[Chop Smith]

New Hampshire I think. I put ratedabooty.com two years ago and she still is ranked in the top ten. I know she was in Hustler's Busty Beauty's in July.

Since this is off the tread topic, I PM'ed you.

[Surfn]

I'll give one example that should be obvious - Stories |rasta|

There are many avenues to explore in this biz. TGP's and LL's are but two of dozens.

[kristian]

Surfn...Oh, I see

Hmmm...sorry, but stories are content

I thought that's what you meant tho, so I had to ask. Was wondering if there was some area of the industry that eluded me...maybe subliminal messaging techniques - kewwwl

Originally posted by Surfn
Extreme John

You didn’t list “no content” some of us can sell without content and do very well thank you.

So you are selling pills or toys?

Or just doing links to sites that have no pictures or videos?

You can't sell memberships without content. Hang on I forgot, stories. Sorry should think before I type. It's getting late here. |goodnight

Chop
Not a lot of chance me knowing what a New Hampshire girl is doing, me being 8,000 miles away.

*memo to self*
Type faster.

[backoffbitch]

I preffer sponsor content. I as a surfer would be pissed off if I signed up for site A to find that the girl in the gallery does not even exist on site A. I would then cancel rebilling or even go as far as to chargeback if I was in a really bad mood. I just don;t feel right trickign a surfer into anything.

I have only gotten ONE chargeback in my whole porn pedling career. Mind you I would use payed content for pay per click programs as in most cases it's teh program that provides teh adverising tools and methods of advertising thus teh responsibility is off my shoulders.

[Surfn]

Originally posted by kristian
Surfn...Oh, I see

Hmmm...sorry, but stories are content

I thought that's what you meant tho, so I had to ask. Was wondering if there was some area of the industry that eluded me...maybe subliminal messaging techniques - kewwwl

There may be, there just may be

[Extreme John]

Backoffbitch you bring up a great point, especially if your promoting RevShare programs, many couldnt care less if they are promoting Per Signup programs...

Sorry Paul and Chop, as in everything else, in business not everyone agree's.

Chop I respect what your saying because of your hands on and your testing the waters and specific detail. However in other cases people make very general statments when in fact really basing it on nothing more than assumptions of "Surfer A", "Webmaster B", "Website F", I have been saying it for years and I will continue to say it moving forward, and everything I ever say is based on my own experiences as I grew and continue to grow in this business.

All deep thoughts and reading into each specific thing ASIDE...

I have made enough money through the years using nothing but Free Content provided by Sponsors to pay for every god given thing I have to date, cars, offices, computers, wedding, vacations, employee's, you name it. Sure times have changed and I focus on other things to make money now, but the fact is the fact, and the fact is, I created the footsteps for my future in this business using Free Content provided from sponsors, regardless if it was Nasty Dollars, Ox Cash, Amateur Pages, Amateur Pie, or ARS. Im not basing this on what my affiliates have done or any other given thing.

Sure times have changed, things have gotten a bit tougher for gallery and site builders alike, Hosted Galleries, Hosted Movied, Hosted Sites and numerous other aggressive marketing ideas by Affiliate programs have put more of a spank on the SUbmitter than anything else, Ive run Tgp's, plenty of them, everything from 5k a day tgp's to 500k a day Tgp's, and regardless of what excuse I were to give a submitter, the sad fact was that if I declined someone it was most likely because I had Free Hosted Galleries provided by a SPonsor that I could use to make myself money, it had nothing to do with the type of content (regardless of sponsored or purchased).

Again just MY experiences and facts.