Analyze my Meta Tags please!

[bigballsbilly]

I'm trying to learn how to optimize my meta tags. I've heard all sorts of things about key-words, title, description, yadda yadda yadda. You guys are the experts...what can I do to improve the meta tags?

My site: http://www.porntastesgood.com

Thanks! If I get good advice, my main site has 12 other niche pages I can change the meta tags on as well.

[koalat]

Hi Bigballsbilly,

I find this site to be pretty useful for that.

http://www.submitexpress.com/analyzer/

[Bill]

It would be easier to talk about them if you posted your metas in the thread, in addition to posting the link.

[johnnybg]

There are sveral pointers I can give you right now:

1. Meta tags are not very important for google right now. They were, but because of SE spamming they were mostly dumped by Google.
2. There are other SEs that consider meta tags (keyword and description being the ones which matter the most)

You should reduce the size of both.

You need to pick two or three keyword phrases to optimize your page for.

You need to have those keywords actually present in page content (2 or three times, close to the top of the page)

you could make subdirs with names of keywords you choose to optimize for

pich not-so-high traffic keyword phrases (up to 10000 Google hits a month) because its easier to gain good SE ranking for them

Check out my page at http://www.johnnysporn.com/ and look how I optimized it for phrase "paysite previews".

Here is my google position for that phrase:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

Hope it helps!

[bigballsbilly]

Thanks for the tips, I haven't uploaded my site yet but I'm listening to your ideas.
How do you find out how many google hits a month a page gets, Johnny?

[johnnybg]

Originally Posted by bigballsbilly

Thanks for the tips, I haven't uploaded my site yet but I'm listening to your ideas.
How do you find out how many google hits a month a page gets, Johnny?

Well if I undestand correctly, you need to know how many times someone gets to your page using Google for particular keyword. This you find out from logs of your web server. Your hosting company should provide at least basic web log analyzer for free. Usually it's program called "Webalizer".

Check out this thread http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=24927

There I listed software which can help you.

If you want to know how many searches are conducted for particular keyword on Google you can also find software for that in my post.

[M.D]

bigballsbilly, nowadays no major SE gives meta tags any ranking influence.
If you do some research you'll find many top ranking sites that have no meta description nor keywords tags.

i did a quick one, searched google for: blue shoes.

the first result links to: www.uglydress.com/giantblueshoes.html
and guess what? RIGHT :-) NO META TAGS

It is much more important to focus on error free html code, link popualrity, PR and selling tactics..

Good Luck

[DangerDave]

Originally Posted by M.D

bigballsbilly, nowadays no major SE gives meta tags any ranking influence.

100% Bullshit!

Meta tags are a fundmental element of html pages - all pages should have them

DD

[Linkster]

Definitely BS - the description meta is definitely used by Google as well as the title meta - and quite a bit

And just as important - think about what happens when you do get that #3 listing on Google - wouldnt you like that title and description to really draw surfers into your site - if you write them well - you can outperform the #1 spot easily - and google does use the title and desc in its listings as well as during its ranking

Second - the meta tags for how the SE bots react to a page are important so they should be in there as well

Last - Yahoo and MSN DO USE the keyword meta as well as the title and description tags - so definitely always use them as Dave posted
and the other part he was trying to convey I believe is that html pages should always have the tags to validate correctly - which is also a part of all SE's algorithms

[Sean416]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

100% Bullshit!

agreed.

[johnnybg]

Ok lest spice it up a little bit...

- Use H1 tags sparingly. Include your most important keyword in H1 tag. Do not make text in H1 tags too long (5-6 words max)

- Use H2 tags - include in their text other less important keywords

- It's important that you keep your keyword density on page up to 20% - no more than that. Add extra text to a page if you need to.

- Include your keywords in the text at the bottom of the page and in the first sentence on your page (this can be a bit tricky if your page desing do not allow it)

- Use keywords in image alt tags (sparingly)

- Use keywords in your page title (this is very important). Do not make title text too long (up to 10 words max)

- Improve link popularity of your page. Have others link to your page and include your keywords in their anchor tags. Trade with pages that already have high PR.

- Do not put one link to your site on a lot PR0 pages with no content (eg TGP galleries). This can make Google drop your rankings for keywords you use (I don't know hot this works, just my experience). If you drive traffic to your hub use different anchor texts every time.

ok, that's it for this time...

[Halfdeck]

Description meta tag is a must, for a couple of reasons:

1) If you use nav links on the left side of the page for say 100 pages, and you forget the description tag, then the 100 pages will be indexed with the nav html as the description and you may end up with 100 dups even if you have unique content on each page.

2) Even if you don't use nav links, if your pages under one domain all use the same title/description, Google may regard them all as dupes.

3) Also, even though the text that comes up under your title depends on the search phrase, if you've got the page optimized for a specific key phrase, then your description should come up first. And as Linkster said, if you're on Google page #1 surrounded above and below by sites with spammy titles/descriptions then a good title/description can work for you.

As for keywords...even though Google may not reward you for using keywords, using that tag is a good way to remind yourself what you optimized the page for. I don't always use it, especially for fresh pages where I'm "fishing" for keywords but using them after you have incoming SE traffic can't do you no harm.

[M.D]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

100% Bullshit!

Meta tags are a fundmental element of html pages - all pages should have them

DD

100% Bullshit? RIGHT, Your reply is 100% Bullshit!!!

I agree that meta description tags are sometimes displayed by SE's. This doesn't mean they have any ranking influence

I think you need to REREAD & COMPREHEND what i wrote before jumping into irrelevant false conclusions.

Ranking Influence = Ranking Influence

Can any of you provide a proof that meta description or meta keywords tag are essential for good ranking in SERP?

I have provided a proof to my claim, let's see what you can come with...

(BTW, Title is not a meta tag.
Meta tags are clearly tags that begin with <META....>)


Suit yourself, Never heard of anyone who got ranked so well just because he used meta tags.

But why let newbies believe meta tags are such savior?

I'm waiting for a proof from you or any of the others that rushed to agree.

[Mattinblack]

Originally Posted by M.D

100% Bullshit? RIGHT, Your reply is 100% Bullshit!!!

I agree that meta description tags are sometimes displayed by SE's. This doesn't mean they have any ranking influence

Meta tags have only one important influence on ranking and that is they can totally F*ck your sites ranking if

1) there are no meta tags (site considered "not search engine friendly"...go figure! site gets slight mark down)
2) Tags are too long (site gets marked down generally)
3) Tags have repeated keywords (gets marked down on just that keyword.)
4) Too many pages on site have exactly same keywords. How many times have you just copied em? Site gets general mark down on Altavista, Ask Jeeves, and Google. Other SE's dont seem to follow this rule.

They have NO positive influence on ranking but to say they are ignored is wrong.

Trust me I was working for a major UK automotive site that spent a fortune figuring it out!

[DangerDave]

Dear M.D.,

Sorry I missed your reply in amongst the other shit going on at the board.......


Sooooooooooo...................

You said:-

Originally Posted by MD

nowadays no major SE gives meta tags any ranking influence

and I said

Originally Posted by DangerDave

100% Bullshit!

Meta tags are a fundmental element of html pages - all pages should have them

I addressed two things...

Firstly - Meta Tags are a FUNDMENTAL part of any HTML page on the WWW

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/stru...l.html#h-7.4.4

If you don't use them you are not writing your pages correctly


Secondly - Meta Tags are used by many search engines(Search Engines), link directories(DMOZ), and Meta Search Sites(http://www.metacrawler.com/)


Eg: - http://www.google.com/search?num=50&...ve&btnG=Search

As Linkster said - wouldnt you like that title and description to really draw surfers into your site - and look at result number one...

adult links and porn - adult links to free porn sites, galleries ...
The only full list of free porn sites and adult links. DangerDave lists porn
sites, Pay sites, AVS sites,TGP galleries, TGP2 galleries, PicPosts,E-cards ...
www.dangerdave.com.au/

Oh! whats that two long lines of descriptive text about my site... IT's THE META TAG!!!

Last time I looked Google was still a relatively major search engine!


I invite everyone to listen to MD, and ignore myself and Linkster, and DON'T use meta tags in your pages....
Quite simply that would equal more and better listings and more money for us.......

DD

[Linkster]

DDave it's amazing the excellent presents we get every day from people that follow the type of advice given out by self-appointed SE experts - all of those sites that don't use the metas are just pushing me higher and higher - and I'm taking it to the bank.

As a side not for those that don't know this - a little tip - Yahoo started using the keyword meta again in their ranking scheme - actually happened last year but most people kinda ignored it - but definitely makes a huge difference

[babymaker]

well, i have 2 great top positions for competitive key phrases with no meta tags other than title..i was just experimenting since they were only galleries:

asian creampie: i am # 1 & 3

http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=sl...asian+creampie

asian creampie gallery: i am # 1 & 2

http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=sl...eampie+gallery

so who knows SE's are a black hole lol

[Tubey]

Well, for my 2cents,
It couldn't hurt to put them in, if a SE doesn't need them they will ignore them. If they do need them then they are available. As a great man once said and I quote, "Couldn't hurt". But I do believe that well built pages with the tags, proper html, good content, links (in and out), will do very well over pages that don't, always has and always will be consistant in traffic and listings. The SE game starts when you think of what domain name to buy and then gets more complex after that.
In short put the tags in, if they need to be used they will, if not then they will be ignored.
Again that is my 2cents but for a quarter........

[glowlite]

Yeah Tubey, ur right, "it couldn't hurt" is an under-statement.

We have a new experimental un-finished site that was crawled for the 1st time by YaHoo on 12/3. It produced the following results,

Seven (7) of the 10 keyword(s)(phrases) we optimized for pulled Postion #1, one pulled #3, one pulled #6, and one pulled #9

YaHoo! search terms ====
grrls that eat pussy - 1
grrls that lick pussy - 1
grrl pussy licker - 1
grrl pussy toys - 1
grrl dildo - 1
grrl dildo lover - 1
young lesbian grrls - 1
young grrl pussy - 3
women pussy licker - 6
grrl pussy - 9
===================

I'll post the MSN and Google results as soon as they crawl.

We expect similar results from MSN Search.

We DO NOT expect that from Google. They continue to be a "moving target" that we have grown weary of chasing. Our best Google results come from sites with quality textual content.

MD - We've only been designing for 5 years but go ahead and "paint my ass red" if you want. I doubt if we'll change the things that we know work.

'nuff said for now ......

[neveremail]

Originally Posted by Linkster

DDave it's amazing the excellent presents we get every day from people that follow the type of advice given out by self-appointed SE experts

Hopefully everyone will be following yours and DDs advice - two webmasters which have websites which rank well in SEs and have done for a long time. I completely agree with what you both said. I also heard that yahoo is using keywords and that it gives points for keywords listed in the meta tag which actually appear "frequently" on your page. Yet still many people dont bother with them.