couple questions

Boaz · 2006-04-14, 01:23 PM

So I'm getting ready to post my first freesite!

Right now, I'm in the process of figuring out which LLs to post it to, making sure I obey all their rules, and posting the recips. This is much harder than I thought it would be! Part of it is so many of the requirements overlap, contradict, and otherwise cause me a headache.

For example, one LL requires to be listed with a bunch of other LLs. Okay, fine with me. But I'm not eligible to submit to some of the listed LLs, because they don't accept that niche, and in one case, because I have to become a partner by emailing info including my "three most recent sites" which I obviously can't do as this is my first site. Do I have to abandon the contingent LL as well as these other ones, because I can't list them?

Should I not be taking all these rules quite so seriously? How do other freesite posters keep track of all this?

Lemmy · 2006-04-14, 01:37 PM

Definitely take the rules seriously, but if some minor LL has ridiculous rules (and a few do) ask yourself how badly you need their traffic. Most of the big traffic guys have quite reasonable listing requirements.

Preacher · 2006-04-14, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boaz

Should I not be taking all these rules quite so seriously? How do other freesite posters keep track of all this?

Quite simply, any site that had requirements like that I pulled from my recip tables.

The ones I paid attention to most were the big sites that requested not to be listed with a certain recip. In that case the linklist was probably up to no good anyway, but those lists are few and far between.

Xeno · 2006-04-14, 04:08 PM

I know with us we don't make it mandatory to be listed with select LL's or directories -- although its appreciated if they do. Making it a requirement would just make things more difficult for the webmasters, and yes, it could give everyone headaches to keep track of each one.

I would say take their rules seriously yes, but as Lemmy said, the ones that you just don't agree with that are rediculous, just pass those by and move on to the next.

For the other question...keeping track is difficult, but overtime when you have been a regular submitter to select LL's, you will begin to see trends, such as:

1. Do they approve your submissions quickly?
2. Are they too quick to blacklist you on things?
3. Do they give you help, suggestions, etc ?
4. Do they take a long time to review your site?
5. And what kind of ratio of approvals to rejections does each one have?

There's others I can list here but generally, you will know on experience and gut feeling which ones to deal with, whether they have lower traffic or huge traffic. Don't let the traffic be the only reason to submit to everyone. You definitely want to get a good relationship going with LL webmasters.

hope that helps some

juggernaut · 2006-04-14, 04:38 PM

check out http://www.thelinkmachine.com/ it might help you narrow down some of your submits. I have not submitted thousands of sites but when I do find the time to build and submit I only do so to about 15 to 20 LL. I agree that some of the rules you are going to read are a little crazy but when I saw them I just passed them by and here is my reason. The cats I was submitting to were very narrow, and I got listed with some of the big boys. At first I was expecting massive traffic boosts but that's not what happend. I was getting an average of 15 visits on the first day and then it would drop off. But I will say the traffic was of a much higher quality then I got from the smaller LL. Most of my sign ups came from the big boys. So in the end I just said it was not worth the time to try and please 1 LL that has some crazy rule who in the end is prob going to send me 2 or 3 visits with crap traffic. In the end sticking with the ones who knew how to really target their surfers was best for me. I also found that using FS was better, I tried a teen gallery an submitted it to alot of places and got listed at almost all of them. Once again I was figuring a massive boost in traffic and even tho I did see more visits from the gallery and the over populated cat I saw almost 0 sign ups. But with everyone of them, I followed the rules to the letter and if I had a question I contacted the site. If the site did not respond with in 5 days I took them off my list.
Also if you build clean nice sites I know there are plenty of Big Boys here who will list you and once you have their recips on your page you can then sub to the smaller LL with the peaceful feeling you not only met their requirement of getting listed on other sites, but you got listed on well know sites. Not many LL owners will deny a site after seeing a GG or Tommy recip on a page and knowing you really are listed there. They know it's not easy getting on their lists as they scrub very well and if you are on their list then you did 99% of everything correct.

Boaz · 2006-04-14, 06:16 PM

Great advice, everyone! Thanks! Good to know it's not me, that there are just some crazy LL rules out there

and I'll just avoid them from now on.

Another couple questions:

Should I build a recip table with all the sites I'm submitting to before I submit, or after I know where I got listed? I would assume before, since even the big LLs have rules about their recips... but then if I don't get listed at some places... should I just remove their recips?

Another thing I noticed in the rules is doing html pages for each picture, with one sponsor link. Seems most places allow this. Is this worthwhile to do, or am I better off linking .jpgs?

Lemmy · 2006-04-14, 06:22 PM

Just build your recip tables and give it a couple of months before making any decisions, some of the biggies have quite a backlog.

I would definitely not bother going back and removing recips from sites already submitted. Just build and forget, build and forget. Evaluate the results at regular intervals and make adjustments.

Most places do NOT accept pics on html pages. IMO it's not worth the trouble.

amareck · 2006-04-14, 07:05 PM

I've evaluated and re-evaluated my reciprocal setup 3-4 times now...and its always painful. Making sites that meet the requirements of 20-30 link lists is difficult hehe...However, for the most part, you'll find you end up with something like this:

- no pics on html pages and no more than 3 outgoing links per page
- no blind links, consoles, illegal shite, misleading ENTER links on index page, including banners
- clean navigation through 1 index page, 1 main page and 2 gallery pages, each having at least 10 pics on it, but likely no more than 16
- no massive amounts of 20 lines of text links, no banners that look like thumbs
- LL owner can access your site by omitting anything after the final slash...ie: http://dom1.com/porn-site/ is the same page as the one you submitted as http://dom1.com/porn-site/index.html.

I *always* check google and yahoo to see who is up there in the rankings...because they are gonna have the best quality traffic. Every now and then you'll see a link list that SUCKS, but it is first page google for a niche that you do a lot of work on - great...have an interchange slot on a recip table...I have a specific site for chubby/granny/anime for these reasons.

Another thing I like is link lists that ROTATE their links each build....I dont care if its a random sort, alpha sort starting at a variable letter or rev alpha sort starting at a sepcific letter - so long as you get CONTINUING traffic. Because the alternative....

Oh yeah, great...I get listed on huge-link-listA.com who doesn't rotate their links...wow look at all those hits from bookmarkers who have huge-link-listA.com/new.html bookmarked with the title "Why buy porn?"....and inside 4 weeks my site will NEVER see the light of day, because its on mature-porn12.html - yes, page 12 - fuck that

The only peeps who make it that far in are those TRAWLING for free porn...yep, great traffic there.

Hope this helps a lil

MrYum · 2006-04-14, 09:29 PM

Welcome to the wonderful world of free sites

Yea, there are some lists out there with inane/insane rules

Do yourself a favor...take a look at the rules for GreenGuy's Link O Rama. You'll find that by and large, most reputable lists have very similar rules. There may be some nuances, but they should be relatively minor. Think Jugg mentioned...if you can get listed at Greenies site, you can get listed at the vast majority of sites

Yes, there are a few real asshats in the LL game that other folks don't want to be listed with. Fortunately, they're fairly few and far between...so it's not really difficult to build around those restrictions. And I don't think many reputable sites INSIST on being on the same page with other lists.

Many subscribe to the build it and forget it paradigm in free sites. Opinions vary, but usually it's not time effective to go back through old recips. And some sites do take a long time to get to reviews. Hell, I haven't submitted a free site in at least 4 or 5 months...just got some acceptance mails yesterday...lol.

Definitely don't put pics on html. Very few link sites still accept em that way. I happen to accept em at my site, but I'm a dinosaur in many ways

Anyway...that's about all I got. Again, welcome to free sites...you've definitely found the place to be for this segment of the adult biz

Boaz · 2006-04-15, 09:12 AM

Thanks everybody! You're all awesome

2006-04-14, 01:23 PM	#1
Boaz Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14	couple questions So I'm getting ready to post my first freesite! Right now, I'm in the process of figuring out which LLs to post it to, making sure I obey all their rules, and posting the recips. This is much harder than I thought it would be! Part of it is so many of the requirements overlap, contradict, and otherwise cause me a headache. For example, one LL requires to be listed with a bunch of other LLs. Okay, fine with me. But I'm not eligible to submit to some of the listed LLs, because they don't accept that niche, and in one case, because I have to become a partner by emailing info including my "three most recent sites" which I obviously can't do as this is my first site. Do I have to abandon the contingent LL as well as these other ones, because I can't list them? Should I not be taking all these rules quite so seriously? How do other freesite posters keep track of all this?

2006-04-14, 01:37 PM	#2
Lemmy You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Next door to a kid with a moped. Posts: 1,492	Definitely take the rules seriously, but if some minor LL has ridiculous rules (and a few do) ask yourself how badly you need their traffic. Most of the big traffic guys have quite reasonable listing requirements. __________________ BUY MY PORNSITES!

2006-04-14, 04:08 PM	#4
Xeno Do you want the job done right, or do you want it done fast? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 494	I know with us we don't make it mandatory to be listed with select LL's or directories -- although its appreciated if they do. Making it a requirement would just make things more difficult for the webmasters, and yes, it could give everyone headaches to keep track of each one. I would say take their rules seriously yes, but as Lemmy said, the ones that you just don't agree with that are rediculous, just pass those by and move on to the next. For the other question...keeping track is difficult, but overtime when you have been a regular submitter to select LL's, you will begin to see trends, such as: 1. Do they approve your submissions quickly? 2. Are they too quick to blacklist you on things? 3. Do they give you help, suggestions, etc ? 4. Do they take a long time to review your site? 5. And what kind of ratio of approvals to rejections does each one have? There's others I can list here but generally, you will know on experience and gut feeling which ones to deal with, whether they have lower traffic or huge traffic. Don't let the traffic be the only reason to submit to everyone. You definitely want to get a good relationship going with LL webmasters. hope that helps some __________________ Why I never sleep anymore... Web Designing

2006-04-14, 06:22 PM	#7
Lemmy You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Next door to a kid with a moped. Posts: 1,492	Just build your recip tables and give it a couple of months before making any decisions, some of the biggies have quite a backlog. I would definitely not bother going back and removing recips from sites already submitted. Just build and forget, build and forget. Evaluate the results at regular intervals and make adjustments. Most places do NOT accept pics on html pages. IMO it's not worth the trouble. __________________ BUY MY PORNSITES!

2006-04-14, 07:05 PM	#8
amareck WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: down unda Posts: 42	I've evaluated and re-evaluated my reciprocal setup 3-4 times now...and its always painful. Making sites that meet the requirements of 20-30 link lists is difficult hehe...However, for the most part, you'll find you end up with something like this: - no pics on html pages and no more than 3 outgoing links per page - no blind links, consoles, illegal shite, misleading ENTER links on index page, including banners - clean navigation through 1 index page, 1 main page and 2 gallery pages, each having at least 10 pics on it, but likely no more than 16 - no massive amounts of 20 lines of text links, no banners that look like thumbs - LL owner can access your site by omitting anything after the final slash...ie: http://dom1.com/porn-site/ is the same page as the one you submitted as http://dom1.com/porn-site/index.html. I always check google and yahoo to see who is up there in the rankings...because they are gonna have the best quality traffic. Every now and then you'll see a link list that SUCKS, but it is first page google for a niche that you do a lot of work on - great...have an interchange slot on a recip table...I have a specific site for chubby/granny/anime for these reasons. Another thing I like is link lists that ROTATE their links each build....I dont care if its a random sort, alpha sort starting at a variable letter or rev alpha sort starting at a sepcific letter - so long as you get CONTINUING traffic. Because the alternative.... Oh yeah, great...I get listed on huge-link-listA.com who doesn't rotate their links...wow look at all those hits from bookmarkers who have huge-link-listA.com/new.html bookmarked with the title "*Why buy porn?"....and inside 4 weeks my site will NEVER see the light of day, because its on mature-porn12.html - yes, page 12 - fuck that The only peeps who make it that far in are those TRAWLING for free porn...yep, great traffic there. Hope this helps a lil __________________ Amareck <i>Giving porn another go! Bonza!</i> <a href="http://www.amarecks-porn-pad.com" title="amarecks porn">Amarecks Porn Pad</a> <a href="http://amarecks-porn-pad.com/cleansites.php">My Recipless Free Site List</a> Last edited by amareck; 2006-04-14 at 07:08 PM..*

2006-04-14, 04:38 PM	#5
juggernaut Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Central Jersey! If I was rich and powerful I would dress as my avatar does. Posts: 1,448	check out http://www.thelinkmachine.com/ it might help you narrow down some of your submits. I have not submitted thousands of sites but when I do find the time to build and submit I only do so to about 15 to 20 LL. I agree that some of the rules you are going to read are a little crazy but when I saw them I just passed them by and here is my reason. The cats I was submitting to were very narrow, and I got listed with some of the big boys. At first I was expecting massive traffic boosts but that's not what happend. I was getting an average of 15 visits on the first day and then it would drop off. But I will say the traffic was of a much higher quality then I got from the smaller LL. Most of my sign ups came from the big boys. So in the end I just said it was not worth the time to try and please 1 LL that has some crazy rule who in the end is prob going to send me 2 or 3 visits with crap traffic. In the end sticking with the ones who knew how to really target their surfers was best for me. I also found that using FS was better, I tried a teen gallery an submitted it to alot of places and got listed at almost all of them. Once again I was figuring a massive boost in traffic and even tho I did see more visits from the gallery and the over populated cat I saw almost 0 sign ups. But with everyone of them, I followed the rules to the letter and if I had a question I contacted the site. If the site did not respond with in 5 days I took them off my list. Also if you build clean nice sites I know there are plenty of Big Boys here who will list you and once you have their recips on your page you can then sub to the smaller LL with the peaceful feeling you not only met their requirement of getting listed on other sites, but you got listed on well know sites. Not many LL owners will deny a site after seeing a GG or Tommy recip on a page and knowing you really are listed there. They know it's not easy getting on their lists as they scrub very well and if you are on their list then you did 99% of everything correct.

2006-04-14, 06:16 PM	#6
Boaz Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14	Great advice, everyone! Thanks! Good to know it's not me, that there are just some crazy LL rules out there and I'll just avoid them from now on. Another couple questions: Should I build a recip table with all the sites I'm submitting to before I submit, or after I know where I got listed? I would assume before, since even the big LLs have rules about their recips... but then if I don't get listed at some places... should I just remove their recips? Another thing I noticed in the rules is doing html pages for each picture, with one sponsor link. Seems most places allow this. Is this worthwhile to do, or am I better off linking .jpgs?

2006-04-14, 09:29 PM	#9
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	Welcome to the wonderful world of free sites Yea, there are some lists out there with inane/insane rules Do yourself a favor...take a look at the rules for GreenGuy's Link O Rama. You'll find that by and large, most reputable lists have very similar rules. There may be some nuances, but they should be relatively minor. Think Jugg mentioned...if you can get listed at Greenies site, you can get listed at the vast majority of sites Yes, there are a few real asshats in the LL game that other folks don't want to be listed with. Fortunately, they're fairly few and far between...so it's not really difficult to build around those restrictions. And I don't think many reputable sites INSIST on being on the same page with other lists. Many subscribe to the build it and forget it paradigm in free sites. Opinions vary, but usually it's not time effective to go back through old recips. And some sites do take a long time to get to reviews. Hell, I haven't submitted a free site in at least 4 or 5 months...just got some acceptance mails yesterday...lol. Definitely don't put pics on html. Very few link sites still accept em that way. I happen to accept em at my site, but I'm a dinosaur in many ways Anyway...that's about all I got. Again, welcome to free sites...you've definitely found the place to be for this segment of the adult biz __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2006-04-15, 09:12 AM	#10
Boaz Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14	Thanks everybody! You're all awesome Last edited by Boaz; 2006-04-15 at 09:17 AM..