Fuckyoucash

[nate]

Who here can give me an accurate assessment of fuckyoucash's marketing tools, as in how good is the free content, banners, are they leak free, do the have regularly updated rss feeds, and feeds with pics.

I'm probably going to sign up with them and I'll do it with an affiliate's code. Naturally, preference will be given to greenguy or jim because this is their forum, if they dont answer, then hoes, penisbot, gremlins, wetplace, and sheepguy are next on the list because they have sent me traffic.

Right behind them is Lucious.

If none of the above answer, anybody that listed any of my sites in the past is the man. Just let me know who you are and what site you run.

If there is no answer from them, I'll use the link of almost anyone that posts it. There are a few that might as well not bother, but they will remain nameless.

If nobody answers, I'll just join and nobody will get the bonus.

I'll be busy all day today and wont go back there until tomorrow with a clean cache.

[JJdotAM]

Newfag here, I just use banners, been doing about 1:1000 with them, still looking for a program that can match or beat that.
http://www.fuckyoucash.com/track/MTEyODI6MjM6Mw/

[HowlingWulf]

Wow Nate you got someone to join GGaJ just to give an affiliate link.

Overall I'm 1:3232 with them, with some sites doing well (< 1:1000) and others very bad (0:7433, 1:4912, 1:3427).

You need to request access for the promo content, and it's all in high res. So to download a simple picture set is hundreds of MB ugh. That and the ratios prevent me from promoting them more. They also use the trick of stamping all promo content for all sites with pornpros.com which affiliates cannot promote. You can only promote the mirror site pornprosnetwork.com that way they keep all the type-in traffic for themselves, even if your cookie was set for a specific site. At least that's how I understand it.

[Simon]

They also use the trick of stamping all promo content for all sites with pornpros.com which affiliates cannot promote. You can only promote the mirror site pornprosnetwork.com that way they keep all the type-in traffic for themselves, even if your cookie was set for a specific site.

That's a dirty fucking trick. I's called front-end shaving. Sponsors who do things like this are almost always intentionally fucking affiliates out of signups coming from their traffic. Fuck all sponsors who think they can pull this shit and not get thought of as lying, stealing pieces of shit.

Don't get me wrong, if FuckYouCash wants to explain how that's not what they're doing I'm willing to listen, and if they're somehow making sure the referring affiliate gets paid if the surfer has their cookie then I'm cool with that.

Otherwise I'll stick with my original position on this.

[nate]

Originally Posted by JJdotAM

Newfag here, I just use banners, been doing about 1:1000 with them, still looking for a program that can match or beat that.
http://www.fuckyoucash.com/track/MTEyODI6MjM6Mw/

Newfags the man! Make sure you get the credit. I joined as teenxpics.

Wow Nate you got someone to join GGaJ just to give an affiliate link.

Just doing my part to help out the board...

[nate]

You can only promote the mirror site pornprosnetwork.com that way they keep all the type-in traffic for themselves, even if your cookie was set for a specific site. At least that's how I understand it.

I can appreciate your concern, but who types in URLs when they can just click the pic instead? I can also see why any sponsor that gives away free content would watermark it, first, because its free, and second because you know some asswipe that isnt an affiliate will make the pics available on one or more BBSs, and at least that way they get some exposure. I dont hold that against any of my sponsors, but I'm probably a little less sophisticated about dealing with sponsors than you are. I'm just a nerd that does porn sites.

[Simon]

nate - it's not *that* they're watermarked, it's that if a surfer is looking at a raw pic from a gallery, free site or other marketing tool you're using and decides to type "pornopros" and goes to the website you're fucked if he signs up since the watermark is for a site you can't promote. Sure, you can make sure to never show a raw pic, but it's not something you should have to do in order to protect yourself from a sponsor stealing your money.

IMNSHO/YMMV

[HowlingWulf]

Actually even if you send a surfer to one of their sites and get your cookie, like Pimp Parade, you'll see at the top 'Certified by Pornpros.com' and if a surfer wonders what that is, types in 'pornpros.com' and decides to sign up there, you get zip.

And if you think nobody types in the url instead of clicking the link, think again.

[Twiceshy]

wow i see another sponsor gong on my i will never promote list ,sad when they pull this shit just makes me more cautious on who i do promote.

[nate]

You giuys all make great points and I appreciate what you are saying. I'm still going ahead with my plans and thats based on a couple of things. First its free content, which stands a chance of selling something better than no content. Also, I only concentrate on teen sites, and will only use teen material. Guys looking at teens arent looking for "pornpros" so Im thinking the the chance of someone actually letting go of their cock long enough to type in a fairly long url that doesnt really fit their interest is pretty low. Acceptably low to me.

Of course, since all you guys are steering clear, that means I wont be in competition with you for selling the program's teen sites. From the astute points made by you guys, competing with you is not something I want to do.

Once again thanks for the warnings.

[Biggy]

Originally Posted by Simon

nate - it's not *that* they're watermarked, it's that if a surfer is looking at a raw pic from a gallery, free site or other marketing tool you're using and decides to type "pornopros" and goes to the website you're fucked if he signs up since the watermark is for a site you can't promote. Sure, you can make sure to never show a raw pic, but it's not something you should have to do in order to protect yourself from a sponsor stealing your money.

IMNSHO/YMMV

Hey Everyone,

We have an interesting thread here and being the owner of FuckYouCash, I thought I'd respond.

Firstly, our watermarks must be so impactful and effective in steering affiliate joins away from your surfers, that you cannot even remember our brand name correctly. It's "PornPros", not "PornoPros" What we do is really no different than what many of the other major programs do, and many of them don't track on regular traffic as effective as we do using NATS - php sessions, cookies, and direct referral tracking - many forego the first 2, so if a user comes back at all, you get zer0. We take a lot of pride in our affiliate results, because after all, if you don't do well, you will not promote us long term. I don't launch sites so affiliates don't get sales, in fact - if it were up to me, you'd be sending me 100 tracked sales daily, that would mean we both win

The reality is, we watermark our content because it gets stolen and passed around frequently - theres a small issue out there called piracy -- and we want them to go to our main hub and part of longevity in this business is long-term branding. This has little to do with direct affiliate traffic, and everything to do with long term branding. I don't think anyone could argue with the benefits of long term branding.

I think with some affiliates, there is an "us vs them" attitude. I was an affiliate for 5 years before I ever opened a program. I'll give it to you straight. We have a lot of sites - some you'll probably do terrible with, others hopefully you do very well with - theres a real lack of good products, promote us because we ahve some good sites and we'll make you $$$ and more $$$ than the next guy. There will be things you don't like about us - I'm from New Jersey, I'm not perfect If you can find a site that's worth your time, where you do well with it and make your joins, then its a win-win, the watermark will not impact your results. You have extremeporn.com - try disgraced18 & milfhumiliation - see how you do, if it does well then great, if not - at least we tried. Or you can tell me to fuck off over a watermark, that's your right as well, but to say we put that up in hopes of steering joins away from affiliates is just not true.

can we be friends?

[Greenguy]

It's not that you watermark the content - we all understand that. It's that you watermark it with a different domain/site. Why not mark the 18 Years Old stuff with 18yearsold.com?

I know that as a reviewer, I often reject sites because the watermarks do not match the sites they are promoting. This goes along with your piracy problem. If the content is promoting the same site as the watermark, it's pretty safe to assume they they have permission to use it. But if it's different, how does the reviewer know that the submitter has the rights to use it? I don't have time to verify that it is ok to use - and in your case, I'd have no idea it was OK because the domain on the content is not part of the program. I'm sure I've declined sites for this reason in the last few weeks.

[Simon]

It's not that you watermark the content - we all understand that. It's that you watermark it with a different domain/site.

Exactly as Greenie says, it's watermarking with a different domain/site which is the problem.

And of course there's still the problem that affiliates don't get paid when *their* surfers type in that domain....just in case it wasn't clear, what with me getting all confused and putting that extra letter in the domain name of the site you want to brand into the surfers' minds so they *will* type it in.

Sure, we can be friends... just stop screwing *my* friends over and we can give it a shot.

[Biggy]

Originally Posted by Greenie

It's not that you watermark the content - we all understand that. It's that you watermark it with a different domain/site. Why not mark the 18 Years Old stuff with 18yearsold.com?

I know that as a reviewer, I often reject sites because the watermarks do not match the sites they are promoting. This goes along with your piracy problem. If the content is promoting the same site as the watermark, it's pretty safe to assume they they have permission to use it. But if it's different, how does the reviewer know that the submitter has the rights to use it? I don't have time to verify that it is ok to use - and in your case, I'd have no idea it was OK because the domain on the content is not part of the program. I'm sure I've declined sites for this reason in the last few weeks.

From a long-term branding perspective, you want to pick 1 thing and brand it, that is what will truly have impact over time. For example, would bangbros be as popular today if all assparade videos were labelled assparade.com, bigtitsroundasses videos labelled bigtitsroundasses.com, etc. Same could be said for brazzers and many other companies. It's easy when youre a program like Twistys/VideoBox who really only has 1 big site to push, it becomes a little different with the network offering & individual sites - and that probably goes for every network offering out there.

Simon - give us a shot, maybe you will make some $ - I sincerely don't think the watermark will impact your results at all. We love our affiliates, the name "Fuck You Cash" was meant to be memorable, not literal We go to all the shows, we're easy to contact, and as you can see from this thread - we don't run away from the issues. We're one of the most honest companies out.

[HowlingWulf]

Can you answer this issue then?
If you send any mobile traffic to Fuck You Cash sites (or Pretty in Cash) they are redirected to Porn Pros Mobile and the affiliate doesn't get credit for any sales.
What's up with that?

[NY Jester]

[grabbing some popcorn]

[HowlingWulf]

Originally Posted by HowlingWulf

Can you answer this issue then?
If you send any mobile traffic to Fuck You Cash sites (or Pretty in Cash) they are redirected to Porn Pros Mobile and the affiliate doesn't get credit for any sales.
What's up with that?

Well well. As of today Fuck You Cash announced they are now tracking the affiliate code when they redirect your mobile traffic to Porn Pros Mobile. Now what about Pretty in Cash?

[BadWolf]

Hmmmm.