newbie's first site a "mess"

[beholder242]

I finally got my pay site completed after spending several months on it, off-and-on, and have been submitting it to link lists and banner exchanges.

For the most part, I've had decent luck on the link lists, but one of them declined me and wrote back, saying the site is a "mess". I realize that it's not going to be perfect for a first site, and it could use some adjustments, but how exactly is it a "mess"?

I'm open to constructive criticism.

http://www.filipina-fantasy.com

[Prawnie]

Hi beholder, At a quick glance I would suggest tyding up your main.html. When viewed in 800x600 your screen needs to scroll sideways to see the whole page.
I personally put everything inside a 700px table and any additional tables inside at 100% and work from there.

Check your pm. I have redone your coding and included the coding for you. Its only rough, but it wil give you some idea and you can play around with it

[plateman]

useally you dont do a pay site like that with all those traffic leaks, maybe unless you have different doorways into it, most pay sites should be clean and build other free sites to drive traffic to it... hope that helps..

[beholder242]

Originally Posted by plateman

useally you dont do a pay site like that with all those traffic leaks, maybe unless you have different doorways into it, most pay sites should be clean and build other free sites to drive traffic to it... hope that helps..

To be honest, I'm not sure if what I've built qualifies as a free or pay site.

A friend set me up an affiliate program off his server (http://fantasy.asianbabecams.com is the portal) and then I built my site to drive traffic to him, but I had to do things this way because I didn't have the ability to modify his site and add all the link lists and such. Plus, I had the domain name gathering dust and decided to try to get my money back out of it.

Forgive my newbie-ness, but could you explain what you mean by "traffic leaks"?

[beholder242]

Originally Posted by Prawnie

Hi beholder, At a quick glance I would suggest tyding up your main.html. When viewed in 800x600 your screen needs to scroll sideways to see the whole page.
I personally put everything inside a 700px table and any additional tables inside at 100% and work from there.

Check your pm. I have redone your coding and included the coding for you. Its only rough, but it wil give you some idea and you can play around with it

Is this something like what you were suggesting?

http://www.filipina-fantasy.com/main1.html

[Prawnie]

Originally Posted by beholder242

Is this something like what you were suggesting?

http://www.filipina-fantasy.com/main1.html

Nothing there, but I looked at main.html and its much better. No scroll bar at the bottom now

Originally Posted by beholder242

To be honest, I'm not sure if what I've built qualifies as a free or pay site

Me neither. I have no experience with webcam sites. However, when I first went to your page, I was greeted by 16 cams, all accessable. The average lurker out there in pervyland wants something for nothing. By showing all the cams at once, the site holds nothing back to capture the potential member's interest.
Maybe for this main page have either one live cam, or a looping movie of an older session to give the lurker some idea what is inside.
With this, I would put a caption saying " Get access to all the live cams", explaining the chat pay system and a link to either a tour page or to your join page.
If you want to show all 16, make only one clickable.
I was taught.. "give too much away and you will wont get the sales".
If its a paysite you want, take a look at some of the sites out there and see how they are structured.

Forgive my newbie-ness, but could you explain what you mean by "traffic leaks"?

If it is a paysite you intend to do, I always make the site as clean as possible. No recips (simple terms a button or text link to another site) for tgps (thumbgallery post), LL's (Linklist), directories or toplists. They serve no purpose on your site and you want to keep the viewer on your site, not send him away, hence traffic leaks. They clutter up your page, distract the viewing public and in my honest opinion, detract from the overall appearance of the site.
All that is needed is content relevant to your site. Your main priority is getting the public interested, keeping their interest when they are at your site and then convincing them that you have something fantastic to offer..

What plateman is talking about is your page resembles a freesite which is used by paysites to advertise their site and content. Its like a mini tour site which like a gallery will drive the traffic to your site with the potential to sign up.

Hope this helps

[MrYum]

Hey there Beholder

Yup, that's one of my 'canned' decline messages. My script doesn't allow a custom message with each site, so I have these 'canned' reasons set up.

I usually only use the 'mess' decline when there's more than one reason for rejecting the site.
And I'm hoping to get the submitter to come to these forums to ask for assistance. Glad to see you took that advice...the folks here will definitely be able to help

After a quick re-review of your site, the reasons for decline;

The recip table looks kinda oogly (not a decline on its own).
I don't allow page counters.
Your PK recip button isn't linked. Also I highly doubt that PK would list a site with her recip below the enter link. Hoping her button isn't just there to make it appear that the site was submitted to her...that would be a bad thing.
Your mouseovers are incorrect...they should only state the sponsor site url...nothing more.
And finally, there's really no content on your site. Just sponsor links driving the asian cam site.
If you want to push traffic to that site, you'll do much better with some form of free site structure that's acceptable to link lists. Which was exactly why I pointed you to this board

[beholder242]

Originally Posted by MrYum

Hey there Beholder

Yup, that's one of my 'canned' decline messages. My script doesn't allow a custom message with each site, so I have these 'canned' reasons set up.

I usually only use the 'mess' decline when there's more than one reason for rejecting the site.
And I'm hoping to get the submitter to come to these forums to ask for assistance. Glad to see you took that advice...the folks here will definitely be able to help

After a quick re-review of your site, the reasons for decline;

The recip table looks kinda oogly (not a decline on its own).
I don't allow page counters.
Your PK recip button isn't linked. Also I highly doubt that PK would list a site with her recip below the enter link. Hoping her button isn't just there to make it appear that the site was submitted to her...that would be a bad thing.
Your mouseovers are incorrect...they should only state the sponsor site url...nothing more.
And finally, there's really no content on your site. Just sponsor links driving the asian cam site.
If you want to push traffic to that site, you'll do much better with some form of free site structure that's acceptable to link lists. Which was exactly why I pointed you to this board

OK, to address each item.

The recip table looks nasty because everyone's got their own unique, non-standard recip of varying sizes and modifying them is typically a no-no. Personally, I prefer graphic links, like you see after you enter, although they do use extra bandwidth.

I missed assigning the link on PK's recip graphic. That is fixed. I put it where I did because (if memory serves) her rules did not specify that it had to be above the Enter button, but did have to be on the page that I submitted to be linked to. I covered my bases and put her links on the index.html and main.html pages.

Which sponsor links are you referring to when you talk about mouseovers?

I'm confused about something...could you explain a bit more about the criteria needed to submit my site to your link list in the "Live Webcams" category? And what would qualify as an "acceptable free site structure"?