Regarding "Roman Maroni" reason once again

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by stuveltje

nop i dont think its specially for the europe webmasters, i am dutch and i know more webmasters from norway, spain, germany, switzerland ( well i think you write it as switzerland but is probably the dutch way) etc etc, all the webmasters from europe i know are getting their sites listed at most people who have linksites on this board.

Exactly

[plateman]

Originally Posted by Ilka

Useless Warrior,
Stuveltje is right. Most of my free sites are hentai, they can be found here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...tai-movies.com
I also have some pornstar, anal and teen sites:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...3Avivid997.com
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...pornmovies.net


Stuveltje,
Most of my sites were accepted by many link lists including link-o-rama. But I don't know what happened with Greenguy few weeks ago that he decided to ban my domains and remove all free sites from listing. Now he has totally empty anime movie category.


Yoda,
Listen to Useless Warrior's auntie's advice. And go to school, because you forgot your brains there.

Ika, I was listing most all your anime free movie site till you started or never stoped using the same template over and over - you need different layouts for the nich you promote, hope that helps

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Ilka

Yoda,
Listen to Useless Warrior's auntie's advice. And go to school, because you forgot your brains there.

The central point of this nice advice is "if you have nothing to say". Why do you think so? If you'll intitle I could remind you many interesting moments of your web biography, so that the reason "Roman Maroni" will be obvious not only for me but for anyone over here.

Do you want it?

and still I guess this comparisson credits too much honor.

[Surfn]

I'm gone for a couple of days and this thread turns to crap. lol

[madenglish]

This Roman Maroni guy,
Do I know him?

[ecchi]

I used to deliberately use bad English (I stopped when I realised it was getting my sites refused), simply because a site in "bad English" gets more sales, about 20% better than one in proper English, or even one in American English.

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by ecchi

I used to deliberately use bad English (I stopped when I realised it was getting my sites refused), simply because a site in "bad English" converts about 20% better than one in proper English, or even one in American English.

oke i just wanna make this clear, you say a site in bad english will do better then an good english site?

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by stuveltje

oke i just wanna make this clear, you say a site in bad english will do better then an good english site?

If you are selling hardcore porn and some niches, yes. I believe it does not work with all niches but I found it works with; general hardcore, blowjob, anal, bondage, big tit, teen and lesbian (but not quite so well with lesbian, only a slight improvement). It made no difference to amateur or mature, and it lost sales with most gay sites. I never tried it on any other niche.

But be aware I am talking about the free sites being in bad English, sending hits to sponsors who are presumably in good English or American English.

Also note that I have just edited my last post. Originally I said "converts better" I meant you get about 20% more clicks on sponsors adverts, which convert at about the same sort of ratio (I am told conversions should be slightly better, but I could not say that for certain from my stats).

I am told that the reason is that if your site looks like it was created by an idiot the surfer is more likely to believe you are genuinely doing it for fun, so will believe you if you say "This is the best hadcore site I have ever been a menber of", because they assume that someone who is trying to make money would do a better job of proof reading the site. So I guess if you use only banner ads it may not work.

[Surfn]

There are link lists that will list crap English. Mine isn't one of them.

[Halfdeck]

Let it die

[stuveltje]

i am seeing a bad english site the same as a site with the wrong keywords, hell i know i tried that, try to sell an anal site to a sports guy who is looking for the words anal itching...............believe me he isnt looking for a dick in his butt! i have to disagree with you, for real i would belong to the roman thing......i am soooo bad english worded.....it wont work , it shows very unproffessional ( heay shut up the ones who think i tell bad english here, i am trying to explain something here) see it like this, you are looking for a great shop to buy some new clothes you check ads in the papers, you see a add, then you notice..they write bad english....hell thats not good that looks amateur.........would you go there? maybe if you are a cheap person, but me.i wont go there, what do i have to expect inside the shop if they cant wite a normal english add? i see it the same for the porn bizz, i still let people check my sites, yeah i am bad english and yeah i want my sites to look good so i have to work on that part to sell.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Surfn

There are link lists that will list crap English.

Yes, unfortunately it is not worth hunting them down and then creating 2 versions of every free site I create. It is quicker and easier to make 20% more sites all in good English. But I am not one of those people who creates free sites every day. If you are one of those WMs who produce enough free sites to hit the "max daily submissions" wall, then I guess it may be worth your while doing this.

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

Let it die

heyyyy halfdeck finally awake, hit me up on icq, so i can slap you justtttttttttttttt joking

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Yes, unfortunately it is not worth hunting them down and then creating 2 versions of every free site I create. It is quicker and easier to make 20% more sites all in good English. But I am not one of those people who creates free sites every day. If you are one of those WMs who produce enough free sites to hit the "max daily submissions" wall, then I guess it may be worth your while doing this.

i have bin there and done that, everyday free site making and yes you make mistakes but thats totally different from bad english

[ecchi]

Stuveltje you are missing my point. I am not saying use bad English to get misspelt keywords, I am saying that once you have got them on your site using bad English helps convince them that you are genuine, not just some marketing guy trying to con them out of a few bucks.

Also, what you say about adverts ("hell thats not good that looks amateur.........would you go there?") The ad is the sponsor's site that (hopefully) is in good English. You use the bad English on your site to convince the surfer that your site is NOT an advert (because if it were an advert it would be like you said it should be). Then they trust you because you are NOT a salesman, just an illiterate idiot who likes porn. So they accept your suggestion to "look at this grate porn site" and join your (good English) sponsor's site.

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by ecchi

Stuveltje you are missing my point. I am not saying use bad English to get misspelt keywords, I am saying that once you have got them on your site using bad English helps convince them that you are genuine, not just some marketing guy trying to con them out of a few bucks.

Also, what you say about adverts ("hell thats not good that looks amateur.........would you go there?") The ad is the sponsor's site that (hopefully) is in good English. You use the bad English on your site to convince the surfer that your site is NOT an advert (because if it were an advert it would be like you said it should be). Then they trust you because you are NOT a salesman, just an illiterate idiot who likes porn. So they accept your suggestion to "look at this grate porn site" and join your (good English) sponsor's site.

you made me choke in my food, lol i never saw it that way, its funny thinking, still i wont see it that way, i dont think the surfer is that stupid they would buy a membership because of the fact they ended on a page of some person who just explains on his site in bad english how good the paysite is which he promoot on his page, where they have to pay 5 bucks for a trial. if that was the deal then i would sell free trials easy ........which i dont........na i cant believe bad english sells better, if that was the case then i was a rich girl already when i just started the bizz 4 years ago, english is not my mother language....and hell do i suck at it

[RawAlex]

There is a huge difference between bad english "dissolute teen girl suck testicles large of hairy man greek" and easy english "man, that teen knows how to suck them hairy balls... greek dude loving the action!". You don't have to write like a pro copywriter to sell, but your point has to be able to be understood by people.

The difference between the two is the difference between Roman Maroni and talking to someone at their own level.

Bad english may only sell because people can't stand to stay on your free site any longer, and click anything to get away.

Alex

[Yahook]

Bad english may only sell because people can't stand to stay on your free site any longer, and click anything to get away.

Surfers visit free sites to jerk, not to read But SEs read everything.

[Surfn]

I see the peanut gallery has returned

[MeatPounder]

LOL, I have to love it.
Submitters can do darned well what they want, and how they want to do it.
Whether that means circle jerks, multi submits, dialers, redirects...well you get the picture, what ever they want with THEIR sites.
If they want to use broken english or hip hop or whatever on THEIR sites then fine

But they have to realize that link list owners will accept what THEY want on THEIR link lists

It is up to the site builders and submitters to figure on their own whether they WANT to GET LISTED on various link lists, lol.

Now if for example UW were to say he will no longer accept lesbian sites to his list, then I will not submit lesbian sites to him
Or if I accidently slip and do submit one to him I won't cry when he doesn't list it. And if he happened to ban me for violating HIS rules, then I would accept that...apologise to him and try to get him to recind the ban of course, but I would accept HIS decision.

What is with these submitters trying constantly to tell link list owners what they should list on ther sites???

Now remember the above example using UW was only a made up example, it does not in any way mean that UW does not accept lesbian submits...though it is rumored that he greatly prefers to receive sites in the gay midget being douched niche.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Yahook

Surfers visit free sites to jerk, not to read But SEs read everything.

yeah... but very few surfers search for "dissolute pidors", now do they?



Alex

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Yahook

Surfers visit free sites to jerk, not to read.

Yes, but given the choice surfers would jerk on free porn and never buy. You have to get them to read so that you can get them to visit your sponsor, otherwise you just end up paying for bandwidth and not making any money.

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by MeatPounder

But they have to realize that link list owners will accept what THEY want on THEIR link lists.

I am not disagreeing with that. I am just saying why bad English can make you money, I am NOT saying that link lists should accept sites when they use bad English. After all, link list owners want surfers to click on their sponsors rather than the sponsors on the sites they list, otherwise the link list owner is just paying for bandwidth without making any money. As you say, it is up to the link list owner to use whatever rules they like, and it is in their interest to refuse to list the the more profitable sites.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by ecchi

...and it is in their interest to refuse to list the the more profitable sites.

*cough* *cough* *cough*
sorry, seem to have something caught in my throat

[ecchi]

Originally Posted by Toby

*cough* *cough* *cough*
sorry, seem to have something caught in my throat

If you are not aware of this policy, try looking at the rules a good few link lists have .