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2005-08-17, 04:22 PM
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i like the extreme niches i dont think the way about it like others do, my hubby always liked when i gave him an blowjob while he sleeps so whats the difference with an woman who sleeps, oke if you think like this: i rape my hubby................ yeah you right and did he liked it, yes he did, its an personal oppinion
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2005-08-17, 04:30 PM
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2005-08-17, 04:34 PM
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2005-08-17, 04:45 PM
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Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once
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I think pretty much all FANTASIES are fine to mock-up in porn: incest, rape, taboo teens, etc. That being said, I do think there's an obligation to post clear warnings, explain that it's wrong to do those things in real life, that the models all consented and are legal, and the whole thing is staged, etc. Why is that so hard to do?
It boggles my mind that there are always two simple-minded camps on these controversial issues: yes or no. The yes people say, "don't look at it if you don't like it". What the fuck??? As though there are no consequences to young men and women (not to mention STUPID men and women) seeing content that says it's okay to lead to engage in nonconsensual sex and that there are no negative consequences (and yeah, fucking someone while they are asleep is rape, unless they gave consent beforehand). Even if I don't look at stupid tv shows and stupid news programs and stupid porn, there are still ill effects from those things and bad lessons taught that having consequences. I would love to see a site where gangs of women descended on sleeping men's asses and anally raped them with giant dildos and see all of the misogynists squirming over that one with their double standards. "I'd love to have pussy forced on me while I was sleeping!" So does that mean you won't mind waking up to an unlubricated baseball bat stuffed up your butt? And then the folks who let Visa and CCBill do their thinking for them: "if Visa doesn't have a problem with it, neither should you". Fantastic. Does that mean if Visa or CCBill says you CAN'T do something you should stop? Guess that means grown women aren't allowed to masturbate or have sex while they're menstruating then, because they won't process payments for my site: http://bloodytrixie.com So . . . it's okay if a gang of men pisses all over my face, it's okay if someone rapes me in my sleep, it's okay if I fuck a girl with the behavior and appearance of an twelve year old . . . but it's not okay if I diddle myself while I'm on the rag. I'm glad we have Visa and CCBill to clarify my options for me! Personally I am going to sign up for RageCash because I love the mom and daughter thing. Hot hot hot!! The sleep site is hot too . . . but how hard would it be to post some educational advice and acknowledge that it does, indeed, send a dangerous message to the stupid, the ill-informed, and the assholes? I don't think it should be illegal or blacklisted or condemned, but can't people exercise some decency and common sense by putting the fantasy safely into context?
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2005-08-17, 04:50 PM
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Live and learn. And take very careful notes!
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isnt that what we make an fantasie world of porn for surfers?They ask we deliver? dont want to do it..... dont do it......
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2005-08-17, 04:51 PM
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Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once
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2005-08-17, 05:02 PM
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Live and learn. And take very careful notes!
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......ewwwwwww i get better then an splintered broomstick hell where did you get your fantasies |shocking| |
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2005-08-17, 07:56 PM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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In some sense, I can appreciate sites like Little April or Meat Holes or non-consensual fantasy sites. (So long as the women know what they're getting into before hand, and are paid well.) I think it is important to have legal porn featuring consenting adults that pushes boundaries, because it's very much a free speech issue.
But, aside from philosophy, like Meat Holes and Little April, I don't think they make the collective "us" look good, and it's not the sort of thing I would want to promote. I have never believed that what is legal (or Visa-approved) dictates morality, so saying "hey, Visa's okay with it" is just an inane sig-post answer to an ethical debate. I think lots of sites play on the elements of consent and coercion. (How how drunk girl sites? Or the whole theme of "this dumb college girl desperately needed money to pay her bills, so she agreed to suck my dick for cash"?) For example, what's the real difference between Sleep Assault's issue of consent and that on http://www.herfirstdp.com ? Quotes: "It didn't take much convincing to get Lizzie to agree to fuck us, but she didn't realize that she was going to be our next DP conquest!! She wanted it slow at first but once she felt both rods drilling her at the same time she begged for it hard and fast!!" "Women like to act like they don't like sex. Chrissy was no different. She had a bite like an alligator but as soon as we started talking her language -taking two cocks- she let down her guard. We had her screaming like an alley cat by the time we got done with her!" You could argue that the Her First DP is saying that if you start doing something a woman doesn't want, she'll fuss a bit, but then be begging for more. I'm not trying to pick only on them, it's just that they also advertise here, and I've never seen any comments about their ethics. I wanted to add after MadMax's post that I'm not trying to be a crusader for "vanilla" porn. My personal issue with these sites is not about "Do some women like to be sleep-fucked?" or "Are some women really submissives?", it's a matter of how the content is framed and pushed to the surfer. For example, one of my boys is the only guy who I'll be submissive with. We sometimes get into hair-pulling, rough behavior, "fantasy force", etc. But, if we shot photos of it, and put text with it saying that I was being raped, I wouldn't want that on my site. I'm not being raped, I'm with a very trusted partner, and I can say no at any time. (As all good kinky play goes.) When you remove the "real life boring details" of consent, trust, and personal preference, I think that's when it gets iffy in my book. As my fellow bleeding lady Trixie said, maybe sites should post warnings, talk about BDSM rules, and have some form of responsibility to the surfer's sexual education. Yes, people do look to porn to see what to do and how to do it, for better or worse. |
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2005-08-17, 09:36 PM
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Internet! Is that thing still around?
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i ran across a site recently where 'supposedly' the girls were drugged with GHB or roofies or whatever and then they guys had sex with them....that seems a bit worse to me.....
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2005-08-17, 10:07 PM
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Very nice posts ladies... I have sworn off posting this issue but I wanted to make a comment that came to mind when you said that it doesnt take much to make the site "fantasy" and even to try to educate surfers in BDSM rules etc. I am also a kinkster and the one rule that is not broken is consent, even if the consent is "do what you want to me" and very rough sex etc ensues...the difference is a submissive has a safe word and its followed and the submissive is awake and able to say no. Now what I really wanted to say... people keep saying "if you dont like it dont look at it" so if you post the fantasy explanation or the BDSM education etc... people can choose to read it or not. It cant hurt anything if it really is about consentual sex fantasy. Refusing to do this in the very least says it all.
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2005-08-17, 11:41 PM
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I'm a jaded evil bastard, I wouldn't piss on myself if I was on fire...
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2005-08-17, 11:56 PM
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2005-08-18, 03:00 PM
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i watched pretty much all the motherdaughterfuck videos all the way through and I do not recall seeing either of them actually touching each other in a sexual way... that's not what the site is about. the sites is about a horny ass MILF fucking every guy in town and bringing her 'sometimes reluctant' daughter along..... solid content and is going to make a lot of people a lot of money.......
there was a movie in the 80s... standard type stuff for the time, and I cannot remember the name of it right now for all my trying. But in it there is a guy in high school (delivers groceries on his bike) who has a hot girlfriend... who happens to have a very HOT mom... the Mom is constantly flirting with the guy and in one scene you see someone coming into the house, walking up the stairs and you hear the sounds of sex going on in a room. Your lead to believe it is the guy and mom having sex about to be walked in on by the girl but SURPRISE its actually the guy and girl going at it and Mom walks in........ very big play on a lot of guys early fantasies of sleeping with some girls sexy mom.... like i said, this site will make some killer bucks spaz
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2005-08-18, 05:16 PM
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Remember to rebel against the authorities, kids!
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If anybody wants to read some other fucked up laws, check out
http://www.md.lp.org/weird_laws.html or http://www.dribbleglass.com/subpages...ge/sexlaws.htm or http://www.lectlaw.com/files/fun23.htm or http://channels.netscape.com/ns/men/sexlaws.jsp
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2005-08-18, 05:42 PM
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All I have to say is that motherdaughterfuck I have no problem with, and got my 1st sale yesterday. Good site, nice tour (although I will say I've made a effort to point out there is no inc*st, as of course RageCash have also done
) Sleep thingummy- not for me, but that won't stop me promoting mdf. Of no interest to anyone I know, but that's my take, same as some EP sites - some I will, some I won't, doesn't mean to say I think any are 'illegal' (yep, quote marks on purpose), rather some I feel OK with, some I don't. Never would I jump on my high horse and slag off those I *don't* feel comfy with, as I know they're legal. I personally don't like the blood sites mentioned either here, or another thread (can't remember) but I choose not to promote them, same as those that choose to do so do just that - choose. If it isn't illegal, or outright sick (scat, vomit, snot, and so forth, even where it's legal is just sick in my own book lol) then if you can sleep at night, and can stomach it, go for it. You want to go for bloodsport, hell, sincere good wishes Just because I personally wouldn't, no need for me to have any ill will to those who do whatsoever.As I say, unlikely to bother/affect anyone in the slightest, but just my own personal take on things. One last thing, I'll agree with a few others the sleep site could and maybe *should* have been named something different, but... the content would still be the same no? Fantasy folks, same as the rest of the shit we sell. And before it happens, no, I don't think *any* fantasy goes, and yes, a disclaimer saying 'this shit is made up etc. etc.' would be good. I Guess that makes 4 cents |
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2005-08-18, 05:59 PM
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) i dont have problems with strange or extreme or banned things (hey i have my limits too) but i am not gonna think about that anal is foridden in some states, using sex toys at other states, if i dont have an problem with the niche i promoot them and dont lett people say its the money, no its an sport to make the money, i still keep wondering why i work my butt off for 15+ hours a day .because i dont need the money, its an sport for me, can i sell that niche (and again i have my limits, but i go far) i still do respect the deciscions ( or how you write that) of other people not to promoot an certain niche, but please dont nag about it if others doo( he and i dont say that to you jel, i talk to the public, you knw i love you too, stu<---is sucha whore) |
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2005-08-18, 06:03 PM
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Sex fantasies are not "politcally correct". People have weird shit going on in their heads and porn is the visual depiction of these thoughts. As long as the models are of legal age and have given "informed consent" then it should be allowed to be sold. Having said that, I would not promote a site that offended my personal tastes. I believe in freedom of speech, even if it is speech that I don't happen to like.
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2005-08-18, 06:14 PM
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This is the most reading I have done since I finished my degree.
 It is fantasy I don’t see the issue here. Some one who doesn’t approve, and wanted it taken down would just be pushing their opinion on some one else if the sites are legal. Just like the people who think record keeping should be so complicated half of the web masters should be forced to go out of business. I thought all of these people were the extreme religious, or members of the Bush administration. I would hope the surfer knows that it is fantasy.
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2005-08-19, 03:06 AM
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Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless
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Okay so I new to this stuff and I have to say. So long and the acotrs and models know what theyare getting into so what it's entertainment and art as far as I am concerned.
I am throughly convinced that a great deal of society when it comes to sex general is (how do you spell it) pschytsofrentic. And it appears to me that part of the adult industry is too. Now I like the idea of the sleeping site but the vids on the tour turned me a bit as it didn't show a waking or dreaming gal getting into it. It showed guy fucks gal with eyes closed and she doesn't respond poor guy just dosen't have what it takes lol . hmmm. The spaking site hot damn ...Yeah I'll admit it I like the extreme shit does it mean I am gonna go out and start fucking my gal in her sleep no does it mean I am going to go out and start spaking my gal when she going down. no It's fantasy fantasy isn't reality though some fantasies are better live ;-) Pay no mind to me I am a "newbie" I guess |
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2005-08-19, 06:32 AM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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Anyhow, my point in this discussion was that it's not simply, "are the models really being sexually assaulted or not?", I see it as an issue of how the content of some fantasy sites are framed. You can and should have hot fantasy play that still discusses boundaries, consent, and safety. I'm not anti-fantasy site in the least bit, but I do think it's important to make clear that it is strictly fantasy. For the "pure fantasy" crowd, it shouldn't be a worry to "ruin the fantasy" with a disclaimer, right? But for people who really want to break into a woman's home and rape her while she's asleep, if a disclaimer ruins the fantasy for them, do you care? In my mind, a disclaimer and some honest kink advice benefits the best of the crowd, and keeps away the people I wouldn't want to be catering to in the first place. To try another angle/question on the content framing issue, let's pretend that another hotly debated site, Little April, was worded differently. Let's say it started out with a consenting, paid, over-18 model. All the same type of stuff was shot, she left with a smile on her face after a job well done. That's the point, according to a lot of people here. "Hey, she's legal, she got paid, and she's happy with the work, right?" But, would everyone feel the same way if the text selling the site claimed that she was 14 years old and that masturbating for her horny daddy? I don't know if that would legal or not in the US, but *theoretically* speaking, would people promote a site that looked like CP, talked like CP, arguably encouraged CP, but wasn't actually CP? Sometimes, copy *is* king. |
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2005-08-19, 07:36 AM
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2005-08-19, 07:46 AM
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Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip!
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Very good question but no one is listening, they are off believing in their justifications. 
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2005-08-19, 07:59 AM
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2005-08-19, 08:06 AM
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2005-08-19, 05:28 PM
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Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip!
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No one has ever said that people who promote the sleeping woman assault site were rapists. I do believe they are misguided, possibly have not read the text on the tour and instead they have read the justifications for the site. Then there is those that think making an "entertainment" site about hurting women is a good thing? I personally am concerned with line crossing becoming the adult nets downfall (visa could care one day) and 2. what effect this has on the young people growing up. Someone who slips a cock into their sleeping wife and does so because they know she doesnt mind has not raped her, he KNOWS she doesnt mind, she has somehow given consent. This tour does not speak to consent in any way...and that is not what the owners are trying to tell you.
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