A>B>C Recips for linklists?

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

ABC link trades are supposed to be a way to get around the alleged negative impact of direct reciprocal link trades. I couldn't say whether there was/is any benefit to such linking. It's always sounded so silly to me. It's not as if the SEs are blind to the relationships formed between different domains anyway. "Let's say the zeros and ones in Cass' camera help you hear my father's word." (John From Cincinnati) And let's say that the zeros and ones in Google's algorithm are just as all-seeing, all-knowing.

What UW said. :-)

[LD]

Originally Posted by AndyS

Top post xxxJay, that is one of the reasons I spend more and more of my time building 'free sites' that will never go anywhere near a linklist.

where do they go if I might ask...?

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by LusciousDelight

where do they go if I might ask...?

Buy more than 1 domain, put your eggs in more than one back, ... we can all be on the streets as easily as the next guy

just my opinion

[XPorn]

Hummmm....

I see your recips are still snizzing. Interesting.......

XPorn

[Greenguy]

You want interesting? I just looked at a Free Site that has this in the recips:

Jays XXX Blogs
BBW Porn Blogs

This could be one of 2 things:
1 - a screw up by the FS builder (he's a "trusted" submitter as far as I know)
2 - Jay thinking that the blog site is ok where the tube site was not

If it's #2, I'll just have to restate that my problem is not with the tube site, my problem is that this is not a recip link - this FS was not submitted to and is not listed on the blog site.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Greenie

You want interesting? I just looked at a Free Site that has this in the recips:

Jays XXX Blogs
BBW Porn Blogs

This could be one of 2 things:
1 - a screw up by the FS builder (he's a "trusted" submitter as far as I know)
2 - Jay thinking that the blog site is ok where the tube site was not

If it's #2, I'll just have to restate that my problem is not with the tube site, my problem is that this is not a recip link - this FS was not submitted to and is not listed on the blog site.

I list your sites with your link back every single day...why does it matter so much what I ask for a link back...like I've stated in the past A>B linking is about the stupidest thing you can do this days.

I'm just going to have Dare redo the links to the bland A>B recip this week.

I know, I'm a piece of shit for trying anything innovative.

Sorry about that. Welcome back to 1999. :-)

[DangerDave]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I list your sites with your link back every single day...why does it matter so much what I ask for a link back...

You dont .. you ask for a link to another site.

Originally Posted by xxxjay

like I've stated in the past A>B linking is about the stupidest thing you can do this days.

This is just another unsupported argument.... why is it stupid..? ...because you say it is?

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I'm just going to have Dare redo the links to the bland A>B recip this week.

I know, I'm a piece of shit for trying anything innovative.

Why change them if they are sooooooo INNOVATIVE

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Sorry about that. Welcome back to 1999. :-)

Reciprocal links were a standard long before '99



Recip links are recip links, a link telling the surfer where the site was listed, and who listed it, and returning some click traffic to the lists that listed the site. That is all!

The "use" of recip links to gain search engine advantage is bullshit theory that seems to have taken hold of some peoples minds!

It is a recip link.. if you want some other sort of link from/to somewhere else, get it some other way.

DD

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by xxxjay on 06-03-2008

...Just so nobody gets their panties in a wad I am re-doing my link tables this week back to just normal recips.

Originally Posted by xxxjay on 07-08-2008

...I'm just going to have Dare redo the links to the bland A>B recip this week....

Based on what you said last month, I was honestly surprised to still see the "C" recips when I posted on Saturday.

If this was to continue, what's to stop a big Link List from having the webmaster link to a paysite? FPA? Auto-installer? I can see a lot of potential problems with this & causing extra review time is only the start.

Like DDave said, it's a RECIP link - you link to me, I link back to you.

[Pagan]

I always thought of a recip link as a way of saying .. "If you like my product, here is where you can find more just like it". I am strictly console/pop-up free wherever I can possibly be and want the link lists I submit my sites to to be the same. The sites they list meet the same criteria, so everyone wins. Likewise, surfers on their sites know that if they click on a link they are not heading into some circle-jerk hell that is filled with all kinds of crapola.

Now, with the A-B-C idea, I have to agree with GG. Where does it stop? Why confuse the poor porn-hungry surfer who is looking for a Reciprocal Link -- a link to a list -- by feeding him something else. It just isn't honest to anyone.

Lastly, it is a way to thank the link lists for showcasing us and pointing the visitors in our direction. I have no issue at all with giving honest recip links to both category and to the lists themselves. These guys earn it!

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Pagan

I always thought of a recip link as a way of saying .. "If you like my product, here is where you can find more just like it". I am strictly console/pop-up free wherever I can possibly be and want the link lists I submit my sites to to be the same. The sites they list meet the same criteria, so everyone wins. Likewise, surfers on their sites know that if they click on a link they are not heading into some circle-jerk hell that is filled with all kinds of crapola.

Now, with the A-B-C idea, I have to agree with GG. Where does it stop? Why confuse the poor porn-hungry surfer who is looking for a Reciprocal Link -- a link to a list -- by feeding him something else. It just isn't honest to anyone.

Lastly, it is a way to thank the link lists for showcasing us and pointing the visitors in our direction. I have no issue at all with giving honest recip links to both category and to the lists themselves. These guys earn it!

Couple comments:

1. This is GGandJim: Everybody kisses GG's ass.

2. Nobody even clicks those links anyway. They are for SEO.

3. Study up: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...enalty&spell=1

[xxxjay]

Subject: change recips
From: jayisagoldengod@roadrunner.com
Date: July 8, 2008 6:27:32 PM PDT
To: kartem@gmail.com
Cc: webmaster@greenguysboard.com

Art,

Can you change the recip table back to all straight recips back to Jay's categories.

Please have this done by Friday.

Jay

[hashbury]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Couple comments:

1. This is GGandJim: Everybody kisses GG's ass.

2. Nobody even clicks those links anyway. They are for SEO.

3. Study up: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...enalty&spell=1

1. I dont kiss anyones ass

2. BS My link list's get around 20% of there traffic from recip tables

3. You are right. I could not get a good ranking in google till i started a-b-c link trades. Your idea of a-b-c recips is a great one and would earn you considerable rankings in search engines, but your not going to change anyones mind around here or anywhere else. You should find another way around this, and figure out a way for your submitters to link to one of your sites using one of there three outgoing links.

[Pagan]

xxxJay, I have been around too long to kiss anyone's ass. I refuse to start now, no matter who you are or what you are offering me. The few here that know me will tell you that I am not afraid to speak my mind or stand behind my work. Oh, and while we are at it, this is not the only board, nor is GG the only link list in town. While I enjoy the exposure and traffic, I know the time in his limelight is short due to so many other sites being submitted. If he links my sites, great.. if not, great.

If I submit a quality site and a LL owner chooses to add it to their list, my opinions are not attached to it. What is attached is my honesty and integrity. I won't lower the quality of a site after I submit, I won't change my exit links to something non-adult after I submit. I never have, and I don't intend to start now.

Your idea of the link trades is not a bad one -- just poorly named. I do have 3 outbound links per page that I can use. What is to stop me from using one to someone's site (provided it is not blind)? For example, on my last gallery page, I can always add a named or bannered teaser that directs a hungry surfer over to another site instead of offering an advertiser's banner. But.. what is in it for me? Why should I?

As commonplace as Google has become it is not the only directory in the universe, nor has it become endowed with some godlike powers. Over the years, I have gained more hits from one single Persian Kitty link than from anything else. Why? Surfers don't use Google to tell them to go to Persian Kitty or GG or Smutgremlin or any other top directory. It is word of mouth or prior experience. Also, Google has a reputation for changing their strategies and "penalties" faster than most women change their panties. The link you quoted is over a year old.

YES, I do click those links on the tables. If I like the site I am on and want to see more of the same type/quality, I know from experience to check the links on the recip. If it's a LL I don't know, maybe I want to know about it. Where else would I go? If I Google for some unknown unlinked site, I am for sure going to end up virused or in some pop-up, console-fed hell. It happens every single day and it costs the unsuspecting hundreds of dollars if not more every year.

How do you surf for porn? That should be a good guide right there. If you don't, ask your drinking/partying buddies.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Pagan

xxxJay, I have been around too long to kiss anyone's ass. I refuse to start now, no matter who you are or what you are offering me. The few here that know me will tell you that I am not afraid to speak my mind or stand behind my work. Oh, and while we are at it, this is not the only board, nor is GG the only link list in town. While I enjoy the exposure and traffic, I know the time in his limelight is short due to so many other sites being submitted. If he links my sites, great.. if not, great.

If I submit a quality site and a LL owner chooses to add it to their list, my opinions are not attached to it. What is attached is my honesty and integrity. I won't lower the quality of a site after I submit, I won't change my exit links to something non-adult after I submit. I never have, and I don't intend to start now.

Your idea of the link trades is not a bad one -- just poorly named. I do have 3 outbound links per page that I can use. What is to stop me from using one to someone's site (provided it is not blind)? For example, on my last gallery page, I can always add a named or bannered teaser that directs a hungry surfer over to another site instead of offering an advertiser's banner. But.. what is in it for me? Why should I?

As commonplace as Google has become it is not the only directory in the universe, nor has it become endowed with some godlike powers. Over the years, I have gained more hits from one single Persian Kitty link than from anything else. Why? Surfers don't use Google to tell them to go to Persian Kitty or GG or Smutgremlin or any other top directory. It is word of mouth or prior experience. Also, Google has a reputation for changing their strategies and "penalties" faster than most women change their panties. The link you quoted is over a year old.

YES, I do click those links on the tables. If I like the site I am on and want to see more of the same type/quality, I know from experience to check the links on the recip. If it's a LL I don't know, maybe I want to know about it. Where else would I go? If I Google for some unknown unlinked site, I am for sure going to end up virused or in some pop-up, console-fed hell. It happens every single day and it costs the unsuspecting hundreds of dollars if not more every year.

How do you surf for porn? That should be a good guide right there. If you don't, ask your drinking/partying buddies.

You all can chill out the recips are switched:
http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/submit_categories.html

[Jel]

Hit this one a bit late, but I agree, A>B recips hurt. Not just 'less advantage than A>B>C recips', but actually hurt* (when it comes to google, and let's be honest, we all much prefer good google serps than any other SE).

As for clicks on recips, sure, they do occur, but wouldn't people rather trade the few clicks (yeah I know they add up) from those, for better SERPS?

And to answer a statement from I forget who, along the lines of 'what's in it for me, the freesite submitter?', well, better SERPS for the LLs you sub to, and consequently more of that precious SE traffic.

*in my personal experience, before anyone asks for a link to my source

[Licker4U]

All of this is moot to me because I don't submit to Jay's XXX Links. His stupid requirement that I sign up under him at sponsor's is an atrocity! Get in the real world Jay.

[Jel]

Forgot to add: What clicks LL owners 'lose' by surfers clicking from their LL to the freesite, to clicking on a recip of someone else's, wherever it may go, they get back from the other person's LL anyway. Assuming it's one of the bigger LLs.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Help me out with something - with the ABC link trades, the way Jay has it, Jay is A, the free site is B & SnizzShare is C - right?

How is this supposed to help who out as far as SE's? And who is it supposed to help - A, B or C?

1 month later, I'd still like to hear a legit answer to this question since I was not asking to be an asshole.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by Greenie

1 month later, I'd still like to hear a legit answer to this question since I was not asking to be an asshole.

Actually, an A - B - C link trade is only good if it is an open fork. That means A and C should not link to each other at all or be connected in any other way than by B. But since xxxjay's link site and snizz share link to each other there is no benefit from it as the links built a closed circle.

In other words, it has no use in terms of SEO for xxxjay at all. At least that is my logic.

[Greenguy]

Thank you faxxaff

[Jel]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

Actually, an A - B - C link trade is only good if it is an open fork. That means A and C should not link to each other at all or be connected in any other way than by B. But since xxxjay's link site and snizz share link to each other there is no benefit from it as the links built a closed circle.

In other words, it has no use in terms of SEO for xxxjay at all. At least that is my logic.

I didn't see the exact recips, but I assume they went so that A (the root, rather than the category page) didn't link to B (the freesite), in which case there is no closed circle. Like I say, I didn't see the recips, so I may be wrong

[plateman]

Originally Posted by Greenie

If this was to continue, what's to stop a big Link List from having the webmaster link to a paysite? FPA? Auto-installer? I can see a lot of potential problems with this & causing extra review time is only the start.

I already am seeing submitters playing with recip links lately

recip links that have aff codes in them

my biggest reject reason on the index of a free sites is: bind recip links to LL's

and total bind links to there hubs

also from reviwing galleries tgps have caught on to the blind keyword recip style of recip links

and I totally agree with greenie about the abuse factor that the a-b-c recip will start

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by plateman

I already am seeing submitters playing with recip links lately

recip links that have aff codes in them

my biggest reject reason on the index of a free sites is: bind recip links to LL's

and total bind links to there hubs

also from reviwing galleries tgps have caught on to the blind keyword recip style of recip links

and I totally agree with greenie about the abuse factor that the a-b-c recip will start

Why is this fucking thread even still going? I even posted another thread saying that I had switched back to the vanilla recips, even though I still disagree with it being a real problem.

[xxxjay]

Jeez...can anyone even tell me why I waste money advertising here to a crowd of webmasters that clearly hates me beause me and greenie differ in opinion from time to time? We sqaused this shit in Vegas with 2 minutes and a handshake.

God damn sheep I tell you.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Why is this fucking thread even still going?...

I only bumped it because I am honestly still looking for info on why this form of ABC is good.

I sorta understand what you're saying & trying to do, but I still can't grasp it the way that you're going about it.

And Jay is right - we both agreed that each had valid points & each was sorta right & shook hands - so I do hope that everyone knows this is mostly a discussion & even if I call Jay an asshole, I still respect him.