If You Were Inventing the Link List Today...

[mOrrI]

Hum...
I'm going to try to make a script to test an idea I just had...

Will show the final result when I'm done.. (hope it will be fast to do it)

[Jeremy82]

I regret that I've not done some strictly NICHED linklists about 5 and more years ago. The ideal concept for me would be that Greenie's new LL, I'd accept freesites, galleries, or eventually tube posts. But I'm not sure if it is a good vote to start such project in these days

[The Epic]

I like the whole idea of social media incorporated into the link lists. A while ago I thought it would be nice to having something like Elgg and alter it around to make it work for adult. My idea was just something where consumers and submitters could both create accounts and users can like their favorite submitters and posts. Kind of like an adult FB, that's the route that's been mentioned that I can see working the best today.

I'm sure if Facebook was a little more adult content friendly everyone would be promoting the shit out of their Facebook Pages. Although I believe it was said before on here in another thread that who would want to publicly friend a porn site on FB. So it seems like a social media related site would be the way to go IMO.

[LD]

Originally Posted by Ramster

I'd make a "link list" where people could join as a community and make it so they can post links to their favorite pics, videos and so on. A Social club so to speak.

Yes, that sounds interesting. Facebook has a lot of sub-groups where people share common interest.

I would think conversions would be better where people had some sense of community. Tubes get lots of SE traffic, but how profitable are they? Something where you didnt need 10000 hits to make one sale seems a better goal to me.

[ArtWilliams]

Here are some examples of mainstream social networking sites made with Joomla:

http://community.joomla.org/showcase...etworking.html

[Useless]

I love the input everyone is contributing. Seeing lots of cool ideas and things to consider.

I'd have no problem not requiring reciprocal links. Hell, I have two lists right now that don't require recips. ( http://www.whoringwives.com and http://www.filthyearl.com ) Content should always be the focus. As several of you have stated, you want/need to build a site that gains links naturally, not forcefully. You have to create the type of pages that people find and want to share. That's where the magic is.

I love pc's idea of using FB applications in order to handle login and commenting. That's a lot easier than scripting your own system that will work across different areas of a site. Plus, most people are probably already logged in to FB while surfing, so they could comment on something without needing to sign up to your own site. And allowing people the ability to comment on pages gives them the feelings of community and ownership. That's a site they'll come back to.

Now, the problem is, what is it that this hybrid monster would publish? Blog posts with embedded images and streaming videos? Galleries? Etcetera? Plus, if you want your "members" to feel like they're part of the site, what can they contribute other than pics of their girlfriends? Chances are, they're going to be post images they took from someone else's site.

Keep the input and feedback coming. By the way, I have no actual intention of creating a project like this in the immediate future. I might tweak PerveSpace a bit to add some of these functions, but I'm not launching anything huge anytime soon.

[Bill]

I think you guys are crazy thinking people want to join porn communities.

"Bill is jacking off to the new teen girl from XYZ sponsor right now - it's gonna be a better spurt than yesterday's load for that other girl from ABC sponsor"

You are misunderstanding the problem.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Bill

I think you guys are crazy thinking people want to join porn communities.

"Bill is jacking off to the new teen girl from XYZ sponsor right now - it's gonna be a better spurt than yesterday's load for that other girl from ABC sponsor"

You are misunderstanding the problem.

I have a little image host. That's where I learned that these communities already exist. Ugly women post photos of themselves. Men print one of their photos, ejaculate on it, take a picture of the mess and repost it.

Plus, plenty of adult sites, TGPs and a few link lists, already have their own message boards where surfers discuss porn. The adult industry is, once again, trailing behind when it comes to community and social media.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I have a little image host. That's where I learned that these communities already exist. Ugly women post photos of themselves. Men print one of their photos, ejaculate on it, take a picture of the mess and repost it.

Plus, plenty of adult sites, TGPs and a few link lists, already have their own message boards where surfers discuss porn. The adult industry is, once again, trailing behind when it comes to community and social media.

And my argument is that porn surfers don't want to form porn communities. The ones that do form are like what you just describe - small and fetishistic - and I leave it to you to figure out how to monetize the one you described.

We've all looked at the "bbs's" in porn sites - they are lame as fuck. Why? Because porn surfers are not looking for the type of community experience provided by places like facebook.

Wishing you could sell porn on a facebook platform won't make a porn-based social network form.

That's why I mentioned the thrill of stealing thing - porn works on a more primal private level than facebook and linked in - we have to look for primal hooks. Primates instinctively love to steal, and to get credit for stealing - and I was suggesting that was part of what makes porn bbs's work, the thrill of stealing.

Now, lets look at your last argument - do you think the porn businesses are 'lagging behind' social networking? You really figure we are all kinda standing there with one thumb in our ass and one in out mouth saying "well I just can't figure out this social stuff".

I don't think it's because we ae too stupid to use social networking scripts to sell porn. I think everybody has been trying it all along, with limited success.

because people don't really, in general, want to jerk off in public.

[Toby]

Internal communities add a stickiness factor, but they don't really accomplish the sharing aspect, or at least not the goal of the sharing aspect I was talking about. By sharing I really meant posting organic back links on other forums/sites/social media/etc which gets you additional traffic while also enhancing your SEO rank.

Bill has a valid point, getting visitors of a porn site to share links to the site publicly is a tall order.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Bill

The only really hard part is the staff of personalities, the rest is just money and time, a bit pricey, but doable.

It's the people that make a social site model work, and the most important people are the first adopters and initial personalities. So, it can't be just any staff, it has to be a collection of real characters.

You folks do understand what I am suggesting here, right?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Bill

Now, lets look at your last argument - do you think the porn businesses are 'lagging behind' social networking? You really figure we are all kinda standing there with one thumb in our ass and one in out mouth saying "well I just can't figure out this social stuff".

Actually, yes. That doesn't make me correct, but that is my standing belief, and I have no reason to believe otherwise.

But...I certainly wouldn't ever suggest attempting to create an FB clone for porn. That isn't at all what I was saying or intending to say. I have a message board with a bunch of members. People join everyday, then do nothing. They never post, they never even edit their profile. I know they aren't big on publishing much detail. The lazy fuckers wont' even select their favorite niche from a dropdown box. I have no idea why they even join, but they do.

What I was saying was to use the apps FB makes available to all developers. The same ones that allow you to comment on news articles at various mainstream sites. It's the commentator's choice whether or not those comments get posted to their FB page. So, theoretically, you could safely allow strangers to post comments without making them register with your site, and not have the big worry about comment spam.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Toby

Bill has a valid point, getting visitors of a porn site to share links to the site publicly is a tall order.

In my limited experience, the links I get to my handful of sites from other sites must be due to Google Images. Members of another site with a message board, usually FreeOnes, create a thread discussing a model. They scour the Net looking for more images of her, find her at my site and link to the page(s) she's on. It doesn't happen often, but it's great to see other sites allowing surfers to link rather freely to other sites. I'd love to see more it.

[Useless]

Can anyone else hear Greenie screaming in their head, "YOU AREN'T TALKING ABOUT A LINK LIST!"

[LD]

Originally Posted by Bill

And my argument is that porn surfers don't want to form porn communities.

But they do want porn that is free of viruses, has very little spam, is easy to navigate, has fresh content, quality, variety...and these are things a community style environment could offer. When you type something into Google, you get a lot of shit...a community network could cull things down and save a surfer a lot of time, plus give them a little confidence that their computer will not be infected.

I know a lot of people who will not surf porn because it's just too much of a pain in the ass. There's probably an untapped market of horny people who might enjoy porn, but don't want to deal with all the bullshit involved in web surfing for it.

It's not about jerking off in public (although that sounds like an interesting niche ), it's more about security, quality, and convenience.

[Simon]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Can anyone else hear Greenie screaming in their head, "YOU AREN'T TALKING ABOUT A LINK LIST!"

I can. That's part of why I'll stand by my idea that sites like The Hun (as you mentioned) and some earlier versions of the bigger LLs are closer to my idea of what an ideal Link List could be like.

In this forum we all have very preconceived ideas of what the term "Link List" means. But if we can push those away for a minute and consider that to a surfer those two words might seem to indicate that it would be a list of links. Exactly that, a list of links, and maybe not much more at all.

So maybe give them what the name might lead them to expect.

Maybe simplicity of design along with links that are actually of value to the surfer would make something worth saving and sharing.

Simple, clean, valuable...list of links.

And probably should use some responsive design techniques to make it easily available to all devices.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Simon

I can. That's part of why I'll stand by my idea that sites like The Hun (as you mentioned) and some earlier versions of the bigger LLs are closer to my idea of what an ideal Link List could be like.

In this forum we all have very preconceived ideas of what the term "Link List" means. But if we can push those away for a minute and consider that to a surfer those two words might seem to indicate that it would be a list of links. Exactly that, a list of links, and maybe not much more at all.

So maybe give them what the name might lead them to expect.

Maybe simplicity of design along with links that are actually of value to the surfer would make something worth saving and sharing.

Simple, clean, valuable...list of links.

Yeah, I am not even thinking of anything at all link list-like at this point. I like free site submitters, even if I think they're nuts, that's probably the only reason I tend to cling to the concept of the link list. I prefer to see gallery submissions and the types of pages you submit. At the same time, as you know, I have always tried to break away from the simple definition of a link list. Link lists, to me, are boring as fuck. They lack visual appeal. I am searching for a feature that will make them bookmark-able on the modern ever-changing Net.

[The Epic]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Can anyone else hear Greenie screaming in their head, "YOU AREN'T TALKING ABOUT A LINK LIST!"

Yeah and in a traditional sense that's true, but if link lists never were invented until today I don't really think they would be all that similar to what we know as link lists today.

After all, link lists came before social media, mobile browsing, and tube sites. Plus back than I don't think Google looked at the higher number of outgoing links in such a negative way. I could be wrong about this one, but I don't think I am.

Originally Posted by Simon

And probably should use some responsive design techniques to make it easily available to all devices.

I have never heard of this, but I like the concept. Seems like no matter what new technology comes along the website will be ready for it.



I personally tend to lean towards the simple side of things when designing my own stuff, but I do think something of a social media style would be quite cool and could work well.

[Bill]

So how would you do design tests to test these various models?

[LowryBigwood]

UW... have you seen the hosted tubes? check my sig free porn buddy. 100% hands-free... just promote.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

UW... have you seen the hosted tubes? check my sig free porn buddy. 100% hands-free... just promote.

That's far too easy. I enjoy the struggle and eventual defeat of creating my own sites. Though I do have a really good domain I could use for a hosted tube.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Bill

So how would you do design tests to test these various models?

My tests involve duct taping a bunch of scripts together, then setting it free. Which is to say, I don't test. I just launch. You know, there's a reason I'm not a great success story, and it's not due to my excellent planning and organizational skills.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

My tests involve duct taping a bunch of scripts together, then setting it free. Which is to say, I don't test. I just launch. You know, there's a reason I'm not a great success story, and it's not due to my excellent planning and organizational skills.

there was a time when you could throw anything up and make money off it.

now, we are like fish trapped in a shrinking pond - and the pond will be gone in a few more years.

some of us will specialize in taking what we can from the pools left as the water vanishes. most will die. then the ones left in the isolated pools will die.

if any of us want to survive, we are going to have to get smarter fast.

it's obvious to me how you would test it, even tho I don't beleive in any of the models offered so far.

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

That's far too easy. I enjoy the struggle and eventual defeat of creating my own sites. Though I do have a really good domain I could use for a hosted tube.

haha. It really is easy... and to me, this type of site is very bookmarkable and with a good domain, brandable. They even give you enough control to control some of the on page seo stuff.

[Bill]

This came out today - and seems somehow very relevant to this discussion. But I'm a netsam freek, so of course I would think that... and who doesn't like a good Der Untergang mashup?