OK, I need to know...

Jim · 2005-06-25, 08:56 AM

Everyone knows my opinion on 2257. Nothing but hype...nothing will happen. We are getting scammed by fear mongers and doom and gloomers.

Who agrees with me?

Torn Rose · 2005-06-25, 09:18 AM

Jim as much as I want to agree with you, I just think it's a start. I am not saying they will be coming after everyone, but I do think they will be going after some.

And I can not tell you how I hope I am wrong.

Cleo · 2005-06-25, 09:20 AM

I really think nothing will become of this.

mist · 2005-06-25, 09:42 AM

At first I thought that this would really cause some problems for us, but now I doesn't really think that it's a reality anymore. But, I believe that the ones that are going to get problems are those that have only used sponsor content for their sites/galleries.

Lemmy · 2005-06-25, 10:06 AM

People are already having problems. People are taking down sites, sponsors are shutting down etc. etc. Whether or not these (mostly fear based?) actions are rooted in a real danger remains to be seen, but the law is there, and it would be foolish to pretend it doesn't mean anything.

Personally I started out out with a "fuck this, come and get me" attitude. Since then I've bounced between the extremes depending on time of day and what posts I've read (Jim vs RawAlex) and ended up caving in and giving the FSC my 50 bucks. As much as I disagree with the way they have handled things, they seem to be my best bet at the moment for any kind of protection, however temporary and feeble it might be.

Apart from that I haven't done a thing, not removed a picture or a banner. If in the end the DoJ wins and starts a witch hunt I can wipe my server with the click of a mouse button. I've already started to research living costs in Chile.

sue-fl · 2005-06-25, 10:13 AM

I don't think any thing can happen. I just don't see how if what we are doing is legal how they can do anything to us. If We aren't breaking the law, what can we be charged with?

Useless · 2005-06-25, 11:05 AM

I have been pondering this for days. Plus I have been discussing the situation from every avenue with my legal advisors: my father , my wife and of course, a higher power. They all agree that this is just a stinky bucket of shit. Nothing will happen as a direct result of 2257. Shit is happening due to fear, but that's about it.

Jim · 2005-06-25, 11:24 AM

To be more clear...when I say having problems I mean real problems. Not problems caused by paranoia.

Jim · 2005-06-25, 12:12 PM

Look at the voting so far...12 to 12
Half of our webmasters so far have been convinced by the fear mongers.

tiny · 2005-06-25, 12:23 PM

Man this whole thing is gettin old sounds like the mafia is involved or is it the nazi's damn I can't figure it out maybe the FSC can answer it for me.OH SHIT I didn't sign up for a membership.Jim can I come stay with you I don't eat much you can just feed me chili haha

Jim · 2005-06-25, 12:25 PM

I only have one thing to say about 2257
Bring it on Cocksuckers

Jim · 2005-06-25, 12:26 PM

See, it gets really personal when I see my friends going out of business because of this hype. Why is it that the only stories from the mainstream is how we are panicked?

If this were a serious problem, I guarantee you that the ACLU would be involved.

Jim · 2005-06-25, 12:28 PM

And, go to the aclu web site and search 2257
Nothing...Nada...

Jim · 2005-06-25, 12:31 PM

Here is a good story
http://freeinternetpress.com/modules...ticle&sid=3868

Sorry if it has been posted already. I am trying to not read the 2257 threads.

I think it is now time for bed

MadMax · 2005-06-25, 12:39 PM

What's 2257?

Jim · 2005-06-25, 04:46 PM

It does my heart good to see these results. I had thought that most would believe the propaganda. But it seems that cooler heads prevail.

Lunatic · 2005-06-25, 05:33 PM

Is this 2257 thingy something I need to know about? |noclue|

Mr. Blue · 2005-06-25, 06:05 PM

Can we have an option inbetween those two?

I don't think 2257 will be a widespread enforcement, but I believe a small group will get nailed with it.

mrMagoo · 2005-06-25, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim

Here is a good story
http://freeinternetpress.com/modules...ticle&sid=3868

Sorry if it has been posted already. I am trying to not read the 2257 threads.

I think it is now time for bed

That is a very good article Jim. Thanks for posting it

Lunatic · 2005-06-25, 09:36 PM

Seriously though, it seems to me the DOJ would try to nail someone with 2257 after going through the trouble of revising it. Unless they just wanted to try and scare off a few adult businesses, which is what they want anyway.

Jim · 2005-06-25, 10:21 PM

I truly believe that the DOJ, if they go after anyone will be child pornographers. And rightly so... They claim that is what this law is for.

WannaShagg · 2005-06-25, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim

I truly believe that the DOJ, if they go after anyone will be child pornographers. And rightly so... They claim that is what this law is for.

True, unless you have a pic of a model that is just not right, or some chick complained about having her pic on the net without it being licensed at all, then why should they bother you. All the sponsors and content providers has the release. So any ligitimate model knows her pics are there and tough. Just suppose the sponsors or content providers don't have the proper license to distribute the girls pics. Maybe that is why some sponsors and content people are folding, they know their shit isn't sqaure to begin with. Maybe now would be a good time to follow up on "Acacia". Whatever happened with that?

cosmiccat · 2005-06-26, 07:06 AM

Yes, for the most part I think this is a lot of hype. I do think they will haul in a few small timers here and there but they will just get a slap on the wrist. Nobody is going to jail for 5 years for running a legit porn site. It's just a lot of scare tactics. Fuck 2257!

Leon · 2005-06-26, 07:10 AM

who is DOJ ?

Useless · 2005-06-26, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim

I truly believe that the DOJ, if they go after anyone will be child pornographers. And rightly so... They claim that is what this law is for.

I was discussing this with the wife, since she is just slightly more sensible than me, and you know what came up? Al Capone. Yes, Al Capone. If the government was forced to jail a notorious gangster, bootlegger, and murderer for income tax evasion/fraud, then how unlikely is it that they would go after an otherwise untouchable child pornographer by nabbing him/her on improper record keeping? You'd think they must have someone in mind and I seriously doubt that it's a lowly webmaster.

I fear 2257 prosecution the way I fear NY's law against driving while on a cell phone. No one gets pulled over for that and it's pretty blatantly ignored. Of course, I don't own a cell phone.

View Poll Results: Do you agree with me or not?
Nobody will have a problem because of 2257	40	55.56%
People are going to have problems because of 2257	31	43.06%
This is the first I heard of 2257	1	1.39%
Voters: 72. You may not vote on this poll

2005-06-25, 08:56 AM	#1
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	OK, I need to know... Everyone knows my opinion on 2257. Nothing but hype...nothing will happen. We are getting scammed by fear mongers and doom and gloomers. Who agrees with me?

2005-06-25, 09:20 AM	#3
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I really think nothing will become of this. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2005-06-25, 10:06 AM	#5
Lemmy You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Next door to a kid with a moped. Posts: 1,492	People are already having problems. People are taking down sites, sponsors are shutting down etc. etc. Whether or not these (mostly fear based?) actions are rooted in a real danger remains to be seen, but the law is there, and it would be foolish to pretend it doesn't mean anything. Personally I started out out with a "fuck this, come and get me" attitude. Since then I've bounced between the extremes depending on time of day and what posts I've read (Jim vs RawAlex) and ended up caving in and giving the FSC my 50 bucks. As much as I disagree with the way they have handled things, they seem to be my best bet at the moment for any kind of protection, however temporary and feeble it might be. Apart from that I haven't done a thing, not removed a picture or a banner. If in the end the DoJ wins and starts a witch hunt I can wipe my server with the click of a mouse button. I've already started to research living costs in Chile. __________________ BUY MY PORNSITES!

2005-06-25, 11:05 AM	#7
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	I have been pondering this for days. Plus I have been discussing the situation from every avenue with my legal advisors: my father , my wife and of course, a higher power. They all agree that this is just a stinky bucket of shit. Nothing will happen as a direct result of 2257. Shit is happening due to fear, but that's about it. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2005-06-25, 09:18 AM	#2
Torn Rose "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." ~ Mark Twain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4,806	Jim as much as I want to agree with you, I just think it's a start. I am not saying they will be coming after everyone, but I do think they will be going after some. And I can not tell you how I hope I am wrong.

2005-06-25, 09:42 AM	#4
mist Asleep at the switch? I wasn't asleep, I was drunk Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: EU Posts: 214	At first I thought that this would really cause some problems for us, but now I doesn't really think that it's a reality anymore. But, I believe that the ones that are going to get problems are those that have only used sponsor content for their sites/galleries.

2005-06-25, 10:13 AM	#6
sue-fl You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 2,837	I don't think any thing can happen. I just don't see how if what we are doing is legal how they can do anything to us. If We aren't breaking the law, what can we be charged with?

2005-06-25, 11:24 AM	#8
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	To be more clear...when I say having problems I mean real problems. Not problems caused by paranoia.

2005-06-25, 12:12 PM	#9
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	Look at the voting so far...12 to 12 Half of our webmasters so far have been convinced by the fear mongers.

2005-06-25, 12:23 PM	#10
tiny Hello, is this President Clinton? Good! I figured if anyone knew where to get some tang it would be you Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: maine Posts: 447	Man this whole thing is gettin old sounds like the mafia is involved or is it the nazi's damn I can't figure it out maybe the FSC can answer it for me.OH SHIT I didn't sign up for a membership.Jim can I come stay with you I don't eat much you can just feed me chili haha

2005-06-25, 12:25 PM	#11
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	I only have one thing to say about 2257 Bring it on Cocksuckers

2005-06-25, 12:26 PM	#12
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	See, it gets really personal when I see my friends going out of business because of this hype. Why is it that the only stories from the mainstream is how we are panicked? If this were a serious problem, I guarantee you that the ACLU would be involved.

2005-06-25, 12:28 PM	#13
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	And, go to the aclu web site and search 2257 Nothing...Nada...

2005-06-25, 12:31 PM	#14
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	Here is a good story http://freeinternetpress.com/modules...ticle&sid=3868 Sorry if it has been posted already. I am trying to not read the 2257 threads. I think it is now time for bed

2005-06-25, 12:39 PM	#15
MadMax "Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes" ~ Satan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Motor City, baby, where carjacking was invented! Now GIMME THOSE SHOES! Posts: 2,385	What's 2257?

2005-06-25, 04:46 PM	#16
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	It does my heart good to see these results. I had thought that most would believe the propaganda. But it seems that cooler heads prevail.

2005-06-25, 05:33 PM	#17
Lunatic Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 200	Is this 2257 thingy something I need to know about? \|noclue\| __________________

2005-06-25, 06:05 PM	#18
Mr. Blue Searching for Jimmy Hoffa Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 771	Can we have an option inbetween those two? I don't think 2257 will be a widespread enforcement, but I believe a small group will get nailed with it.

2005-06-25, 09:36 PM	#20
Lunatic Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 200	Seriously though, it seems to me the DOJ would try to nail someone with 2257 after going through the trouble of revising it. Unless they just wanted to try and scare off a few adult businesses, which is what they want anyway. __________________

2005-06-25, 10:21 PM	#21
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	I truly believe that the DOJ, if they go after anyone will be child pornographers. And rightly so... They claim that is what this law is for.

2005-06-26, 07:06 AM	#23
cosmiccat You can't keep blaming yourself. Just blame yourself once, and move on Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 351	Yes, for the most part I think this is a lot of hype. I do think they will haul in a few small timers here and there but they will just get a slap on the wrist. Nobody is going to jail for 5 years for running a legit porn site. It's just a lot of scare tactics. Fuck 2257! __________________ Submit your galleries to Margo's Whorehouse

2005-06-26, 07:10 AM	#24
Leon You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Israel Posts: 527	who is DOJ ? __________________ Submit your Sites to my LL's: Only Best Sex \| Rex Porn Grant Domains