Questions about Dee Cash Programs

[hashbury]

Originally Posted by daizzzy

btw why teencat gfy threads saying you're banging his cc with un-authorized transactions have been deleted?

You make me lol, out of all the points you could have tried to make an argument with, this is by far the worst.

I saw both of his threads and he did show proof in the first one. PROOF that he was getting charged for pre checked cross sales. To me, this was made very clear in the thread before it was deleted.

Then he started a second thread claiming they were banging his card. He was then told to provide proof, but stated proof was in the first thread. The proof he had in the first thread did nothing but confirm he did not uncheck the precheck cross sales. Without proof this thread was nothing but slander.

I have nothing against teencat but if they truly were banging cards he should have showed the proof.

While im not a fan of pre checked cross sales I do not consider it to be evil like everyone else does.

If you really wanted to make a point you should have at least brought up the fact about how they were not crediting for secondary billing proccessors. This was the very thing that got teencat going. However, deecash was called out on it and they made it right even though it was in their TOS that so many webmasters seem to not read.

[Nymph]

Hells bells, I might as well chime in too....

I was an affiliate for one of the sponsors Dee bought out. I was making decent money before the buy out. Sad thing is, during the transition, a lot of the promo materials was not imported over, and no new promo was offered. It seems this is the case with a lot of the programs Dee took over.

How are we to promote the sites, when we aren't given anything to work with?

[hashbury]

Originally Posted by Nymph

Hells bells, I might as well chime in too....

I was an affiliate for one of the sponsors Dee bought out. I was making decent money before the buy out. Sad thing is, during the transition, a lot of the promo materials was not imported over, and no new promo was offered. It seems this is the case with a lot of the programs Dee took over.

How are we to promote the sites, when we aren't given anything to work with?

Hi Nymph

Unfortunately this problem is just not related to deecash but a lot of other programs too.

Theres a lot of good programs I have been promoting for years that dont update thier promo tools and when I request member access I either get denied or dont even get an answer.

However, It would be in deescash best interest to start updating their promo tools and site IMO. Hell, I would probably start promoting them again if they did this.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Nymph

How are we to promote the sites, when we aren't given anything to work with?

I'll give you a hint... Affiliate sales are not their primary source of income.

[daizzzy]

Originally Posted by hashbury

You make me lol, out of all the points you could have tried to make an argument with, this is by far the worst.

I saw both of his threads and he did show proof in the first one. PROOF that he was getting charged for pre checked cross sales. To me, this was made very clear in the thread before it was deleted.

Then he started a second thread claiming they were banging his card. He was then told to provide proof, but stated proof was in the first thread. The proof he had in the first thread did nothing but confirm he did not uncheck the precheck cross sales. Without proof this thread was nothing but slander.

I have nothing against teencat but if they truly were banging cards he should have showed the proof.

While im not a fan of pre checked cross sales I do not consider it to be evil like everyone else does.

If you really wanted to make a point you should have at least brought up the fact about how they were not crediting for secondary billing proccessors. This was the very thing that got teencat going. However, deecash was called out on it and they made it right even though it was in their TOS that so many webmasters seem to not read.

define hypocrisy

[hashbury]

Originally Posted by daizzzy

define hypocrisy

Lets see, I would define it by a webmaster that gave away membership passwords, but yet built a site listing adult affiliate programs to try and make a living off of.

I really wasnt trying to be a dick to you, The point you were trying to make is flawed. Thats all I was trying to point out. Deecash has flaws and you should point the valid flaws out if you want to call them out on something. Thats all I was trying to say.

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by daizzzy

nickbaauw you make me lol

you sell nothing but a bunch of shitty and way outdated content. how you make it work - it's your magic tricks or something, which is going to end sooner or later. but it's not a legit business like met-art, kink, ddf and other stand up guys are doing

btw why teencat gfy threads saying you're banging his cc with un-authorized transactions have been deleted?

Careful or you might find a C&D in your email addressed to Daizzzy from a crosseyed lawyer in Atlanta.

[daizzzy]

and webmasters... just check their sites out. their content is below any competition. they've nothing but a bunch of effective false promising tours. get into their members areas and you'll see a shitload of upsells and a little bit of content

do you think your traffic will rebill there? how do you think they are getting money to pay you high PPS? you better not waste your traffic there

[daizzzy]

you won!

deecash cock sucking contest can be closed now

[Cleo]

Oddly enough I find myself with zero links to a Dee Cash program other than some old link to one of the programs that they have bought and I don't see this changing anytime soon.

[Useless]

They suck. They've sucked for a very long time, and everything they buy turns to shit. There have been countless threads on numerous boards about their massive suckiness, so who needs proof unless they have a horrible memory? I'm sure Nick is a nice guy, but that doesn't mean his employer is any good.

[tickler]

A lot of the programs they bought owed me money!

Links gone, never to return!!!


Oh, and not importing historical data also!

[faxxaff]

Deecash ratios have to be taken with a large pint of salt. Last time I cared to check they published join page ratios - not uniques or page views. If they publish a rate of 1:400 it would be join page hits, while their unique ratio would be more like 1:2000 or worse.

A decent program has a join page ratio of 1: 20 and in bad scenarios 1:80 in my book. Anything worse that is just horrible imho.

[Jeremy82]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

A decent program has a join page ratio of 1: 20 and in bad scenarios 1:80 in my book. Anything worse that is just horrible imho.

[daizzzy]

quoted from gfy

Unauthorised charges on credit cards from MediaRevenue sites

Hi all,

For those that know us, will know that we are ones to avoid drama, and prefer to leave that to others, we just like to get our heads down, and get on building the best softcore sites we can!

However, there are some things that came to light over the last few weeks that I really feel the community need to make their own decisions on.

A quick synopsis of the events:

* We run the site www.porn-rewards.com, a loyalty site for users that join adult sites, if they join via our PR link, we give them PR points then when they have enough points they can spend the points on a free 30 day membership to a site of their choice. We do this buy purchasing a 30 day membership on their behalf with our own credit card.

When we join a site on behalf of a PR member, we always use unique, random usernames and passwords.

* On 14 March 2011 we joined the site socksorority.com (a Bad Girls Bucks site), and then cancelled within the 30 day period. We used a unique username (AsfgHYtv) and unique password.

Then on 5 May 2011 an unauthorised charge was made to our credit card for $9.95 for membership to the site xmovies.com (a Movie Profits site). An email was sent and the username / password combination was exactly the same as the original join to socksorority.com. This has been recurring for a couple of months until our accounts picked this up and started to investigate further.

* When the above unauthorised transaction was detected, further investigation found another new transaction on 16 July 2011, this time for membership to wildpass.com this one for $11.32. Again this was using the same username and password combination from the 14 March transaction.

* On 30 June 2011 there was another unauthorised transaction on our card for $39.95. Whilst we never got an email I can trace for this one so I do not know the username or what site it was for, I know it is associated with mediarevenue, as the reference on the bank is PGRECINCCOM.COM which is the same processor as used for the unauthorised xmovies.com transaction.


When I initially contacted Nick / Tam about the first transaction I was told by Tam, that all was corrected and the transaction refunded. On pushing for more of an explanation as to how it could have happened, initially I had a reply from Nick,

"We recently switched to NETCASH 3rd party billing and had to switch back, when we switch billing systems we our members a discount on their membership to make up for any possible confusion..

We would never take any money fraudulently, our support agents are available 24/7 and when people want to cancel/refund their memberships we make that happen asap."

On pushing for a better response (the one above makes no sense to me), it took some chasing, then got a longer response from Tam, the shorter version of this was,

"When you signed up, maybe you didn’t uncheck the cross sales, or we had a script error that day on the processor end? This is another piece we have to research..in any case, those xsales are indeed in house and owned by us. It is not an outside entity.

Our company is quite large. And currently you are catching is in the middle of a tremendous overall. We have 40+ programs, 40+ NATS licenses, and are merging them all into 10.

This is quite the task, and involved with it is also a new 7 day hold and payout plan, moving to a 4 day...and everything involved with this. As well as moving all the processing to within those guidelines and mergers.

The processing issue did happen, we acknowledge this, and thank you for pointing it out. Hopefully you can see it was not intentional, and you can see something like this could have happened with everything going on."


With regards unchecking cross sales, (a) we always do (b) but even if we did not in error, our membership to socksorority.com ended 14 April 2011, these unauthorised transactions started in May / June / July.


There were other transactions our accounts found from 2010 that were unauthorised in a similar style (we made a paid for join using unique user/pass then a few months later an unauthorised transaction to another site using the same username/password), but these were with the old SOBV sites, and on raising these with Media Revenue, I was told they only took ownership in Jan 2011, so this needs taking up with the past owners. I cannot dispute that and did not mention these transactions further with them.


On pushing Tam / Nick for a better explanation on the charges from their sites as I still do not feel this was a good explanation, I received an email from Tam saying "this matter is closed for us, you are now verging on harassment, and its time to move on. Any more false accusations or misinformation from you, I will have sent directly to our attorneys, XXXXXX, here in Orlando."


I am posting this to the community so as you can read all this, and make your own minds up.

This industry is suffering enough with tubes sites, torrents, forums posting full site sets, and if the customer can no longer have confidence in the billing practices of sites, what hope is there for the industry to turn the tide and start growing again with confidence.

We have removed all links to any Media Revenue site from porn-rewards.com and would not promote them, or any other site / sponsor they may join with in the future.

I am sure I will get grief for posting this, and debated whether I should, but this is something I feel very strongly about, and would like others to make their own minds up.

Regards,

Paul
www.porn-rewards.com

[Bill]

That was posted today apparently, for those who are interested in such things.

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1034168

[Cleo]

Originally Posted by Bill

That was posted today apparently, for those who are interested in such things.

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1034168

No bit surprise there. Just another posts confirming what what others have been saying.

[Toby]

...and the thread has been removed from the board. New owner, same Bro bullshit.

[Bill]

To be fair, it is anecdotal evidence. It's not proof, it's not circumstantial evidence, it was, as I viewed it, a claim, similar to other claims that have been made, without anything I could judge as actual evidence.

At most one could call it an affidavit backed by reputation, but the avower is unknown to me, I have no idea wether his reputation score risk is high enough to make the claim more liklely to be true.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Bill

To be fair, it is anecdotal evidence. It's not proof, it's not circumstantial evidence, it was, as I viewed it, a claim, similar to other claims that have been made, without anything I could judge as actual evidence.

At most one could call it an affidavit backed by reputation, but the avower is unknown to me, I have no idea wether his reputation score risk is high enough to make the claim more liklely to be true.

Paul, the OP, is one of the guys with OnlyTease (OTCash). I think their reputation is beyond reproach.

The peeps behind the scenes, those making the real money from all the shady shit, the ones that wish to remain in the shadows, have some very deep pockets and lots of influence. If that's not obvious by now then I'm wasting my time typing this post. Gambino and Gotti made chump change compared to these guys.

[Bill]

Well, every third party avowal of his reputation point score increases the liklihood that he would not have risked his reputation to make the claim.

However, it is still anecdotal, an affadavit.

Did you see images of the claimed charges? I didn't. That would move the quality of the evidence to a new level.

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by Toby

...and the thread has been removed from the board. New owner, same Bro bullshit.

Good to see that Green Guy has the balls to keep the post online.
Hey Nick are you going to have your crosseyed lawyer email him a C&D too?

[Toby]

I don't need to see images, his word is enough for me. However, I have seen images from prior threads, making the same sort of allegations about sites run by the same group. But those threads are gone now too. Is the pattern getting clearer yet?

[Bill]

Well, no board is entirely nuetral.

But gfy has always been the favored whales against all. I expect it there. It aint a nice place.

But, it is also the sort of place this kind of challenge is posted for maximum effect, and getting taken down and banned, if the accused is favored, is just part of the process.

Dee has always had a likely trajectory - their business plan could never have been recurring, based on what we can all publicly see.

[Greenguy]

Raise your hand if you had to look up avowal