How Strict Are You With 2257 Links?

balls_deep · 2008-02-21, 10:08 PM

I'm looking for feedback from some linklist owners that require a 2257 link.

do you reject the site if they do not have their own 2257 page on the domain? Do you still accept if they link to the sponsors 2257 page?

I know that linking to the sponsors 2257 doesn't follow the law, but would like your thoughts.

plateman · 2008-02-21, 10:17 PM

I reject for 2257 links that open in new windows and if they have ad links on them

other than that I am not the 2257 police

hashbury · 2008-02-22, 12:18 AM

I never had any problems using a sponsor 2257 link. Accept when it had links to porn. I think (but not totally sure) that the 2257 is to save your own ass not the linklist owner. Im not sure how many sponsors u use, but i put all my sponsor 2257 info on one page on my domain, And i just use that with all my freesites.

balls_deep · 2008-02-22, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hashbury

Im not sure how many sponsors u use, but i put all my sponsor 2257 info on one page on my domain, And i just use that with all my freesites.

Well I understand that many people do this, but if you have ever read the law or talked to a lawyer... That is not legal.

I was just wondering if anyone enforced the law as a rules for submission.

I require the 2257 link to protect me not the submitter,

hashbury · 2008-02-22, 02:04 AM

If you cant use the sponsors 2257 info, what are we supposed to do?
Contact the sponsor for there records of the girls and keep them on file for ourselves? I was told to use the sponsors 2257 info on my own domain by a couple of other members here. Ive never had any problems getting my freesites listed. BUT
You have opened my eyes a little bit and i think i need to do some more reading on the 2257 law.

Mr Spock · 2008-02-22, 05:04 AM

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Contact the sponsor for there records of the girls and keep them on file for ourselves? I was told to use the sponsors 2257 info on my own domain by a couple of other members here.

Makes it rather impractical - even if sponsors provide you with this info and merely keeping these docs on file doesn't mean you comply with the law. You need to cross reference with every other scene the model has acted in , note all other working names etc. Absolutely impossible for a webmaster to do all this. Most infringements of 2257 are not that records are not kept , but that they aren't properly cross-referenced.

LD · 2008-02-22, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

You need to cross reference with every other scene the model has acted in , note all other working names etc.

Isn't that for a "primary" producer, not a webmaster who uses and distributes content made by someone else?

And from the list owner's perspective, isn't a link which a list owner list on his/her linklist very different from actual content?

JustRobert · 2008-02-22, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plateman

I reject for 2257 links that open in new windows and if they have ad links on them

other than that I am not the 2257 police

This is my position as well.

Mr Spock · 2008-02-22, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LusciousDelight

And from the list owner's perspective, isn't a link which a list owner list on his/her linklist very different from actual content?

Certainly , a link list is in a similar position to Google - they don't have any 2257 duties nor do they police porn sites that are indexed. It would be ridiculous to have LL providing a policing function as suggested in this thread.

balls_deep · 2008-02-22, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LusciousDelight

Isn't that for a "primary" producer, not a webmaster who uses and distributes content made by someone else?

The law states that by publishing the work you (as a webmaster) become the primary producer, so according to the law... yes you need the docs on file.

But enough about the intricacies of a dumb law, thank you all for the feedback.

horndog · 2008-02-22, 11:52 AM

I don't run a linklist but as a submitter when I use sponser content I have been linking to the sponsers 2257 info. I didn't know I had been doing this all wrong! So when you say use the sponsers 2257 info on your own domain are you basically saying copy the producers that the sponser has listed on their 2257 page but host it on your own domain instead of making it another outgoing link?

Just want to make sure I'm doing this correct way.

balls_deep · 2008-02-22, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by horndog

I don't run a linklist but as a submitter when I use sponser content I have been linking to the sponsers 2257 info. I didn't know I had been doing this all wrong! So when you say use the sponsers 2257 info on your own domain are you basically saying copy the producers that the sponser has listed on their 2257 page but host it on your own domain instead of making it another outgoing link?

Just want to make sure I'm doing this correct way.

Well to get down to the nitty gritty of the law... if you host any explicit material on your website you need to have the proper documentation at the place of business listed on your 2257 page. If you do not have the doccuments at the listed address you are in for a world of shit if you ever get inspected.

There have been inspections and I know of a TGP that got inspected and didnt have the required docs, they are in a wold of shit.

linking sponsors 2257 info or listing the person that took the pictures is not legal.

here's some good reading for you http://www.ehowa.com/mythoughts/2257.shtml

LD · 2008-02-22, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

Certainly , a link list is in a similar position to Google - they don't have any 2257 duties nor do they police porn sites that are indexed. It would be ridiculous to have LL providing a policing function as suggested in this thread.

And that gets to the heart of the question I think...is a link really content? And if it is not, how far do we have to go in being 2257 compliance officers?

Licker4U · 2008-02-22, 02:28 PM

If I were making 100K/yr. from free sites I would do whatever it takes to be compliant with 2257. Since I'm seriously shy of that figure, I put the sponsor's 2257 info on a page and serve it from my host. As a small fry I seriously doubt any feds are going to come knocking at my door. That's not to say it can't happen, I just figure the feds are looking for bigger fish to fry. They want headlines. Worst case scenario, I'll hang my head and say "Im sorry your honor, I didn't know how serious this is and did what I thought would suffice".

If anyone is serious about being 2257 compliant, insted of spending 100's of $$$'s for an attorney, I'm sure there are several nationally known attorneys that have already spent the time to compile a list of what needs to be done to comply and can give that info for a fraction of what it would cost do do the research from scratch. If that's not good enough, most attorneys get 200-250/hr. Spend $500 and get the info first hand. The more you have to lose, the more you need to protect what you have.

An afterthought: Most sponsors know the importance of 2257 and should give you all the info you need to be compliant. Everything they have on file for every model if that's what you need. If you have at your place of business everything that they have, you should be compliant.

Greenguy · 2008-02-22, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hashbury

...I was told to use the sponsors 2257 info on my own domain by a couple of other members here...

1st off, never get legal advice from a message board (unless you've hacked into a lawyer message board)

2nd, to my knowledge, I can't think of any Link Lists that require a 2257 link (but then again, I don't get out much)

3rd, I wouldn't submit to any Link Lists that holds legit "legal info" links against you (meaning those that count it as an ad link or something stupid like that)

4th....I've got no more pearls of wisdom for this thread

hashbury · 2008-02-22, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenie

1st off, never get legal advice from a message board (unless you've hacked into a lawyer message board)

I wasnt really asking for legal advise, I was just trying to keep my freesites from being denied at couple of smaller linklist. I wasnt really to worried about the 2257 law because i thought the sponsors 2257 info would be enough to cover my ass. (thats what i get for skimming over the 2257 law) I buy most of my content now and only use sponsor content on a few niches thats hard to get affordable content on. I have all the documentaion on the content i have now.(but i wonder if thats enough) I wont stop making freesites BUT
This was a nice eye opening thread for me.

Jel · 2008-02-23, 04:06 AM

Like Greenie, I don't know of any LL that actually require you to have a 2257 link on your freesites. If a smaller LL rejects you because you don't have one, or it isn't their idea of what your 2257 page should look like, swiftly dump them from your submit list.

stuveltje · 2008-02-23, 02:23 PM

i dont care if you put up an 2257 or not, i do care if you have one up, that i can see it (alot go to 404) and if you have a 2257 page, no porn adds, or links to other porn stuff is alowed if you submit to the linksites i review for, so also not all a page which got all the links on it to several sponsors 2257, because some of those links have tons of porn links on them without your refferer, its a little protection for the webmaster itself, because yes...pornsurfers do click the 2257 link and also the links putted on that page and i dont think you would like to see links on those pages without your refferer and even they would be with your refferer then i wouldnt allow it, because i would see it as hidden advertising.

papagmp · 2008-02-24, 11:13 PM

The bit in the article about copying the ID one more time for every single picture you take had me ROTFLMAO. Some how I'm pretty sure I'm not going to prison for not having half a million copies of my model's ID.

Second - I know of no producer that is going to give you the full address, name and SSN of an actor/actress. With identity theft and privacy act issues so in the forefront, it would be suicide to give out this information. All the producers that I've worked with, will provide a sanitized copy of the ID with pretty much everything but the picture and birthday blacked out, the date the images were created - if the feds need more, send them to my house - I have the records and they'll only get shown to folk that can provide me with proof of their identity and need to see them.

One of my previous jobs was an Inspector for the Government and i was tasked to ensure compliance with the Privacy Act of 1974 - If 2257 implemented the way suggested in the linked article, you would just be packing your prison bags for another pain-in-the-ass Federal law.

And yes - I've spent thousands on legal advise and read more than I care to remember on the subject.

Link to the sponsor's 2257 and insist the don't mix adds in the 2257 or find a different sponsor - god knows that's no shortage of the vermin.

borgivan · 2008-02-25, 05:02 AM

1. I put a link to a law as a text.
2. I put a link that leads to an ad pay site law page (every pay site have such).
3. If surfer want to read the law (I don't think that if he enters "free anal teen hardcore fucking action" in google, he wants the law to be read) he will.
This all began when some owners rejected my free sites, counting law link as one of three external.

2008-02-21, 10:08 PM	#1
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2008-02-21, 10:17 PM	#2
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2008-02-22, 12:18 AM	#3
hashbury My name is hashbury not assburry Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 1,125	I never had any problems using a sponsor 2257 link. Accept when it had links to porn. I think (but not totally sure) that the 2257 is to save your own ass not the linklist owner. Im not sure how many sponsors u use, but i put all my sponsor 2257 info on one page on my domain, And i just use that with all my freesites. __________________ Sig Goes Here!

2008-02-22, 02:04 AM	#5
hashbury My name is hashbury not assburry Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 1,125	If you cant use the sponsors 2257 info, what are we supposed to do? Contact the sponsor for there records of the girls and keep them on file for ourselves? I was told to use the sponsors 2257 info on my own domain by a couple of other members here. Ive never had any problems getting my freesites listed. BUT You have opened my eyes a little bit and i think i need to do some more reading on the 2257 law. __________________ Sig Goes Here!

2008-02-22, 02:28 PM	#14
Licker4U Mean people suck, nice people swallow, are you mean or nice? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lower Alabama-The Redneck Riviera Posts: 2,376	If I were making 100K/yr. from free sites I would do whatever it takes to be compliant with 2257. Since I'm seriously shy of that figure, I put the sponsor's 2257 info on a page and serve it from my host. As a small fry I seriously doubt any feds are going to come knocking at my door. That's not to say it can't happen, I just figure the feds are looking for bigger fish to fry. They want headlines. Worst case scenario, I'll hang my head and say "Im sorry your honor, I didn't know how serious this is and did what I thought would suffice". If anyone is serious about being 2257 compliant, insted of spending 100's of $$$'s for an attorney, I'm sure there are several nationally known attorneys that have already spent the time to compile a list of what needs to be done to comply and can give that info for a fraction of what it would cost do do the research from scratch. If that's not good enough, most attorneys get 200-250/hr. Spend $500 and get the info first hand. The more you have to lose, the more you need to protect what you have. An afterthought: Most sponsors know the importance of 2257 and should give you all the info you need to be compliant. Everything they have on file for every model if that's what you need. If you have at your place of business everything that they have, you should be compliant. __________________ Submit to Girls That Squirt , Hairy Pussy Links and Best Wet Pussy Last edited by Licker4U; 2008-02-22 at 02:40 PM..

2008-02-22, 11:52 AM	#11
horndog Well you know boys, a nuclear reactor is a lot like women. You just have to read the manual and press the right button Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 154	I don't run a linklist but as a submitter when I use sponser content I have been linking to the sponsers 2257 info. I didn't know I had been doing this all wrong! So when you say use the sponsers 2257 info on your own domain are you basically saying copy the producers that the sponser has listed on their 2257 page but host it on your own domain instead of making it another outgoing link? Just want to make sure I'm doing this correct way.

2008-02-23, 04:06 AM	#17
Jel I'm the only guy in the world who has to wake up to have a nightmare Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London, United Kingdom Posts: 1,895	Like Greenie, I don't know of any LL that actually require you to have a 2257 link on your freesites. If a smaller LL rejects you because you don't have one, or it isn't their idea of what your 2257 page should look like, swiftly dump them from your submit list.

2008-02-23, 02:23 PM	#18
stuveltje Live and learn. And take very careful notes! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny Holland Posts: 6,157	i dont care if you put up an 2257 or not, i do care if you have one up, that i can see it (alot go to 404) and if you have a 2257 page, no porn adds, or links to other porn stuff is alowed if you submit to the linksites i review for, so also not all a page which got all the links on it to several sponsors 2257, because some of those links have tons of porn links on them without your refferer, its a little protection for the webmaster itself, because yes...pornsurfers do click the 2257 link and also the links putted on that page and i dont think you would like to see links on those pages without your refferer and even they would be with your refferer then i wouldnt allow it, because i would see it as hidden advertising. __________________ Canadian Sexlinks - submit Erotica search -submit Last edited by stuveltje; 2008-02-23 at 02:27 PM..

2008-02-24, 11:13 PM	#19
papagmp That'll teach you to leave your sister unattended..... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,803	The bit in the article about copying the ID one more time for every single picture you take had me ROTFLMAO. Some how I'm pretty sure I'm not going to prison for not having half a million copies of my model's ID. Second - I know of no producer that is going to give you the full address, name and SSN of an actor/actress. With identity theft and privacy act issues so in the forefront, it would be suicide to give out this information. All the producers that I've worked with, will provide a sanitized copy of the ID with pretty much everything but the picture and birthday blacked out, the date the images were created - if the feds need more, send them to my house - I have the records and they'll only get shown to folk that can provide me with proof of their identity and need to see them. One of my previous jobs was an Inspector for the Government and i was tasked to ensure compliance with the Privacy Act of 1974 - If 2257 implemented the way suggested in the linked article, you would just be packing your prison bags for another pain-in-the-ass Federal law. And yes - I've spent thousands on legal advise and read more than I care to remember on the subject. Link to the sponsor's 2257 and insist the don't mix adds in the 2257 or find a different sponsor - god knows that's no shortage of the vermin. __________________ Submit: OutlawFreePorn

2008-02-25, 05:02 AM	#20
borgivan WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 46	1. I put a link to a law as a text. 2. I put a link that leads to an ad pay site law page (every pay site have such). 3. If surfer want to read the law (I don't think that if he enters "free anal teen hardcore fucking action" in google, he wants the law to be read) he will. This all began when some owners rejected my free sites, counting law link as one of three external.