Cookies

Mr Spock · 2009-08-25, 02:13 AM

Anyone have an idea what % of surfers have cookies disabled in their browsers? Is there any way to check this?

Toby · 2009-08-25, 04:45 AM

Torn has all the cookies and he won't share

Simon · 2009-08-25, 06:10 AM

I don't have my notes on it, but I believe you can try to set a cookie and then try to read that cookie. If the cookie isn't there to be read you know that surfer isn't accepting cookies.

Of course that won't tell you know many are using some form of private browsing or an add-on of some kind which will flush all those dirty porn cookies as soon as someone quits their browser session. All of those things can contribute to lower signups being credited to affiliates.

Too many porn surfers are being educated to believe cookies are a bad thing (which I'm not sure all sponsors mind). Might be worth thinking about ways to convince surfers why some cookies are valuable/helpful *for them* so they won't be as likely to go cookie-free about the Net.

pc · 2009-08-25, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

Anyone have an idea what % of surfers have cookies disabled in their browsers? Is there any way to check this?

God knows how they got their (estimated)
numbers but there you have.

There's one more guy who was looking for numbers and his whatever research shows that 97%-99% of users have those cookies turned on.

tickler · 2009-08-25, 09:08 AM

FLASH

Simon · 2009-08-25, 09:23 AM

Will all the sponsors cool enough to use Flash cookies to reload HTTP cookies in an effort to ensure that every affiliate gets paid every time please raise their hands?

Bueller?...

Bueller?...

Bueller?

tickler · 2009-08-25, 10:14 AM

Actually I've been doing a little research because of the growth of new PORN browsers. So the interest in FLASH cookies. |idea|

Not only browser disabled cookies problems, but storing PHP sessions with cookies are at risk.
Session IDs in the URL are at risk to surfer tampering/stripping also.

So the use of the Flash cookie appears to be a possible work-around, and I hope sponsors get their act together before tracking gets too screwed up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon

Will all the sponsors cool enough to use Flash cookies to reload HTTP cookies in an effort to ensure that every affiliate gets paid every time please raise their hands?
Bueller?...
Bueller?...
Bueller?...

miz_wright · 2009-08-25, 10:42 AM

.... Dammit.

Now I want cookies. Homemade ones. With toffee.

LeRoy · 2009-08-25, 11:38 AM

It does happen. some surfers are just plain dick heads. Some of them don't think we deserve a few bucks for introducing them to a site.

On the other hand I have some sponsors that have a 24 hour cookie. That just urks me but hey what can you do? You like the sponsor their sites and tools so you deal with it.

MeatPounder · 2009-08-25, 01:06 PM

My personal surfing?

I allow all 1st person cookies but question all others

Mr Spock · 2009-08-25, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pclit

God knows how they got their (estimated)
numbers but there you have.

There's one more guy who was looking for numbers and his whatever research shows that 97%-99% of users have those cookies turned on.

Those numbers seem reassuringly high , i wonder if any traffic traders can provide some input , most traffic scripts can redirect based on whether cookies are enabled or not (cookies disabled are worthless to trades). Just wondering what sort of numbers they would see?

Toby · 2009-08-25, 01:28 PM

The problem with tracking those numbers with a trade script is that the script can't identify unique visitors without cookies. While the trade script can't accurately count non-cookie visitors it can track outgoing clicks by non-cookie visitors. Assuming the average clicks per visitor are the same for both cookie and non-cookie traffic you can then extrapolate based on total clicks. If that assumption holds true, then no cookie traffic on my largest TGP runs at about 3.5%.

Mr Spock · 2009-08-25, 02:28 PM

Quote:

then no cookie traffic on my largest TGP runs at about 3.5%.

Not really a significant number , what do you do with traffic , it basically worthless isn't it?

Toby · 2009-08-25, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

Not really a significant number , what do you do with traffic , it basically worthless isn't it?

Sending it to trades is a waste of time so I send it all to galleries. Some sponsors can still track no cookie sales. If it were a higher percentage I might spend more time looking for somewhere to more effectively montetize it.

MeatPounder · 2009-08-26, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tickler

FLASH

http://www.macromedia.com/support/do...manager06.html

MeatPounder · 2009-08-26, 03:09 AM

I'm sorry, but cookies are a godsend and a bane to all privacy

Chocolate macadamia nut are

gift to mankkind (and womankind)

First person sure, session sure

But all the third party suck, I feel just as strong about this as pop ups

I know it is a money maker, just as pop ups and pre checked signups are..but I don't allow them to happen to me and I prefer them not to happen to my surfers

And with most sponsors I've seen cookies are worthless past the session anyways no matter their duration.

Ramster and I had a discussion about this back in vegas in jan, no matter what the duration of the cookie is set to, most sponsors direct search links overwrite them by default

So make the sale on the inital visit

tickler · 2009-08-26, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatPounder

http://www.macromedia.com/support/do...manager06.html

- most surfers have FLASH installed
- most surfers have no ideal that how to change FLASH settings
- FLASH cookies are not dependant on any kind of browser settings
- with more government snooping/censorship, the use of porn mode privacy surfing will likely increase rapidly

Just trying to stay ahead of the game. The 3-5% tracking loss now might be 30-50% in the near future.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatPounder

And with most sponsors I've seen cookies are worthless past the session anyways no matter their duration.

Porn privacy browsers can kill cookies, and maybe screw up current session cookies also.

Allfetish · 2009-09-01, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeRoy

It does happen. some surfers are just plain dick heads. Some of them don't think we deserve a few bucks for introducing them to a site.

On the other hand I have some sponsors that have a 24 hour cookie. That just urks me but hey what can you do? You like the sponsor their sites and tools so you deal with it.

I wish more sponsor directories would list the cookie life of the various programs.

2009-08-25, 02:13 AM	#1
Mr Spock You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vulcan Posts: 695	Cookies Anyone have an idea what % of surfers have cookies disabled in their browsers? Is there any way to check this?

2009-08-25, 04:45 AM	#2
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2009-08-25, 06:10 AM	#3
Simon That which does not kill us, will try, try again. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Conch Republic Posts: 5,150	I don't have my notes on it, but I believe you can try to set a cookie and then try to read that cookie. If the cookie isn't there to be read you know that surfer isn't accepting cookies. Of course that won't tell you know many are using some form of private browsing or an add-on of some kind which will flush all those dirty porn cookies as soon as someone quits their browser session. All of those things can contribute to lower signups being credited to affiliates. Too many porn surfers are being educated to believe cookies are a bad thing (which I'm not sure all sponsors mind). Might be worth thinking about ways to convince surfers why some cookies are valuable/helpful for them so they won't be as likely to go cookie-free about the Net. __________________ "If you're happy and you know it, think again." -- Guru Pitka

2009-08-25, 09:08 AM	#5
tickler If there is nobody out there, that's a lot of real estate going to waste! Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,177	FLASH __________________ Latina Twins, Solo, NN, Hardcore Latin Teen Cash

2009-08-25, 09:23 AM	#6
Simon That which does not kill us, will try, try again. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Conch Republic Posts: 5,150	Will all the sponsors cool enough to use Flash cookies to reload HTTP cookies in an effort to ensure that every affiliate gets paid every time please raise their hands? Bueller?... Bueller?... Bueller? __________________ "If you're happy and you know it, think again." -- Guru Pitka

2009-08-25, 10:42 AM	#8
miz_wright Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 107	.... Dammit. Now I want cookies. Homemade ones. With toffee. __________________ Hit me on ICQ at 353902844 or create an account with AEBN by clicking here.

2009-08-25, 11:38 AM	#9
LeRoy "Young dumb and full of cum" Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Porn Valley Posts: 2,370	It does happen. some surfers are just plain dick heads. Some of them don't think we deserve a few bucks for introducing them to a site. On the other hand I have some sponsors that have a 24 hour cookie. That just urks me but hey what can you do? You like the sponsor their sites and tools so you deal with it. __________________ JAPANESE ADULT AFFILIATE PROGRAM

2009-08-25, 01:06 PM	#10
MeatPounder Women might be able to fake orgasms But men can fake whole relationships Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl Posts: 2,408	My personal surfing? I allow all 1st person cookies but question all others

2009-08-25, 01:28 PM	#12
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 4,826	The problem with tracking those numbers with a trade script is that the script can't identify unique visitors without cookies. While the trade script can't accurately count non-cookie visitors it can track outgoing clicks by non-cookie visitors. Assuming the average clicks per visitor are the same for both cookie and non-cookie traffic you can then extrapolate based on total clicks. If that assumption holds true, then no cookie traffic on my largest TGP runs at about 3.5%. __________________ Latex Vixens Babes In Boots Well Heeled Women Dressing For Sex Stocking Vixens

2009-08-26, 03:09 AM	#16
MeatPounder Women might be able to fake orgasms But men can fake whole relationships Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl Posts: 2,408	I'm sorry, but cookies are a godsend and a bane to all privacy Chocolate macadamia nut are gift to mankkind (and womankind) First person sure, session sure But all the third party suck, I feel just as strong about this as pop ups I know it is a money maker, just as pop ups and pre checked signups are..but I don't allow them to happen to me and I prefer them not to happen to my surfers And with most sponsors I've seen cookies are worthless past the session anyways no matter their duration. Ramster and I had a discussion about this back in vegas in jan, no matter what the duration of the cookie is set to, most sponsors direct search links overwrite them by default So make the sale on the inital visit