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Old 03-01-2019, 01:50 PM   #1
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Greenguy Pornhub Is Officially Extorting Me

Here's a screencap of the entire email chain so no one can accuse me of misquoting anyone.

I get this in the mail:
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Howdy,

After looking at your site, I'm choosing you for an exclusive affiliate partnership.

MindGeek owns Brazzers, Pornhub, RealityKings, and more. We are the leaders of worldwide adult traffic, and our payouts and margins are the best in the industry - by far.

With our newest program, MyDirtyHobby, you will earn as much as $60+ for a single sign-up.

I'm inviting you to start promoting top brands in the field directly from the source.

Are you ready to start working with the offer owners directly?

Add me on Skype: Pavel@AdultForce.com
Sign up on https://adultforce.com
Select how you want to get paid
Trust me, I will do everything to make it worth your while.

Looking forward to working with you,

Pavel B. | AdultForce
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I'm still waiting for your reply to your last email. If I do, can I have some of the traffic that you're stealing from me on Google back?

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Hey Green Guy,

Look, if you become an active affiliate of ours, then yes I may be able to pull some strings.

I cannot guarantee you anything, but I can guarantee the fact that whatever that is in my power to do, I will.

In any case, I can make sure that we get the most of the traffic you do get from the top #3 results with our highest payouts in the industry.

Kindest regards,

Pavel B. | AdultForce
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Skype : Pavel@AdultForce.com
Email: pavel@adultforce.com
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Oh, I get it. I have to promote your sites in order for you to stop stealing my traffic. Is that considered bribery or extortion?
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Old 03-01-2019, 07:42 PM   #2
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What a bunch of douchebags.
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Old 03-09-2019, 07:47 AM   #3
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Hmmm thats pretty nasty tactics really - and shouldnt in any way be needed for them
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Old 03-09-2019, 09:01 AM   #4
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I used to promote a lot of the programs that joined them and then stopped when I could no longer get any sort of promo materials at all. Even banners are out of the question. I asked for 1 iframe promoting lesbians only and got one back that had everything but lesbians in it. Totally non-responsive. And yes, their current trick is extortion.
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Old 03-09-2019, 11:43 AM   #5
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Adult Porn Hub Videos | Greenguy
link-o-rama.com/greenguy/search-porn-hub-videos/
Watch Adult Porn Hub videos for free, here at Greenguys Link O Rama

Create the page, put a bunch of your Greenguy Theater AEBN stuff on it.
You can even use tgpx to rotate all the ones you got.

Any complaints are easily answered, When you remove mine I will remove yours!
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Would be funny Robert, but takes serious juice to do it and/or willingness to spend cash on it
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Old 03-13-2019, 07:34 AM   #7
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He sent a follow-up:

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Hi,

I know my previous email might've been an 'educated stab' in the dark. I'd like to apologize if I caught you at the wrong time and if you found that email a little too sales-y.

May I propose a short email exchange or IM conversation to decide if it's a good fit?

I'm waiting for your response.

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Yes, threatening me with extortion is a little too "sales-y" for me. Let me know if you decide to stop stealing my traffic.
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:11 PM   #8
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Update: I posted this on another (private) webmaster board & someone contacted Corey from Pornhub and this was his reply:
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Hi Greenguy

First off i want to apologize for Pavel's comments he should never have made it seem like being an affiliate of AdultForce and resolving this situation are in any way connected. They are a separate division and have no involvement in Pornhub.

As several people mentioned above we aren't aiming to rank for your name in Google and the pages are dynamic search page which is auto generated when someone searches for any term on Pornhub. These pages can be indexed in Google when someone externally links to one of these search pages or tags a video on Pornhub with a term which will internally link to the Pornhub search page.

I would be happy to review with you how we can address this issue as our intention is not to rank for something that isnt related to content on our site.

If anyone has questions about this i would be happy to answer them here or privately
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not to be the dick in the thread (and I think Corey is good people btw), but I'm a bit cynical that someone went and typed eg:

'richards realm xxx free pic' https://www.pornhub.com/video/search...m+xxx+free+pic

into pornhub's search bar, or that an uploader tagged a video with that, or that once either of those had been done, someone also linked to that search page to get it indexed. Nor for many of the other search phrases that PH ranks for.

I'm less cynical that someone scraped millions of adult keyphrases, and ran them through to create those search pages, and then used a ping tool to index them, or some such.

Again, I get that big business does what it does - we're all old enough to understand that and accept it as one of the ways of the world, but seems like a bit of a stretch to me to make out it's accidental. Maybe accidental in the sense others' brands got caught up in the scrape, that I can believe.
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Jel hit the nail on the head. Everyone knows how it happened: Porn Hub acquired a list of any & all adult/porn related search terms & simply targeted everything on it. I'm sure it was a very long list & I can see why no one there would have gone thru all the terms on it ahead of time, but the fact that you didn't do it the day after the 1st person/company complained and continue to do it while you obviously know about the problem is just as bad as blaming it on your users.

Do the right thing: Go thru the list & find the terms that don't belong. How? Common sense will tell you that no one is searching for porn videos using words like Greenguy or Richard's Realm or Persian Kitty or Ampland or Shemp or Dr Bizarro...92 million surfers a day & you really need the 3 that are looking for me?
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Jel figured that one for sure ... but its hard to see anything being done about it - maybe theyll be "grand" and fix it for you but the practice likely continues in general.

...and realistically theres only a sense of fairplay in their way, it isnt illegal or shady, just a bit shitty. Especially given their near monopoly in the market
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Old 03-20-2019, 05:43 PM   #10
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Jel figured that one for sure ... but its hard to see anything being done about it - maybe theyll be "grand" and fix it for you but the practice likely continues in general.

...and realistically theres only a sense of fairplay in their way, it isnt illegal or shady, just a bit shitty. Especially given their near monopoly in the market
Parts of my most recent reply were taken from an email I had going with the owners of a popular website where searching for them gave listings on Pornhub just like mine. Pornhub removed them when they complained, so they know about it. Jel simply pointed out how truly ludicrous their explanation is.

In my case, they are technically not doing anything illegal in that dummy never registered his name as a trademark (long story, shitty lawyer, it may be on here someplace). But if I did, then it'd be illegal. It is shady as fuck & incredibly shitty.

I know this makes me sound old, but I really fucking miss the days when 95% of the people you dealt with were just that: people. This entire fucking industry has become way too corporate.
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Shady and shitty, not sure if even trademarking would protect against it

-> it would require being able to explain to a judge the fine point distinctions Jel introduced vs a "we cant control what users search for or the tags introduced by uploaders, but we remove it immediately when it is brought to our attention"

Either way, even if they had to dump the specific practice these corporations have the sheer volume to crush us all in 100 different ways. Kudos to you for sticking it to them, but turn the next page and they will be monopolizing in some other way

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Parts of my most recent reply were taken from an email I had going with the owners of a popular website where searching for them gave listings on Pornhub just like mine. Pornhub removed them when they complained, so they know about it. Jel simply pointed out how truly ludicrous their explanation is.

In my case, they are technically not doing anything illegal in that dummy never registered his name as a trademark (long story, shitty lawyer, it may be on here someplace). But if I did, then it'd be illegal. It is shady as fuck & incredibly shitty.

I know this makes me sound old, but I really fucking miss the days when 95% of the people you dealt with were just that: people. This entire fucking industry has become way too corporate.
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Old 03-21-2019, 06:14 PM   #12
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I'm way too angry to format the last 2 posts, so here:

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Astonishing.

If they dont want to actually fix it, why not at least generic spindoctoring:
"We have removed your terms from our index and have deployed resources to clean out all such terms that accidentally or otherwise target the keywords of other companies. Thank you for bringing this to our attention, we will keep you posted on the progress"

...and then of course just remove yours and never keep anyone posted (unless actually feeling a bit shitty about it, but thats probably beyond reach)

Which board is that btw?
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:14 PM   #14
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It's a private adult webmaster board that I somehow got invited to join. Mostly industry vets of some sort & current big wigs. I don't know the rules so I'm being very vague lol
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It's a private adult webmaster board that I somehow got invited to join. Mostly industry vets of some sort & current big wigs. I don't know the rules so I'm being very vague lol
Haha fair enough, just give them hell at least
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It's a private adult webmaster board that I somehow got invited to join. Mostly industry vets of some sort & current big wigs. I don't know the rules so I'm being very vague lol
I saw a lot of people leave GFY as it descended into the shit hole it now has become. I figured that someone setup a private board because many of those people still have their sites. Too bad, it wouldn't have taken much effort by Eric to save to it.
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I saw a lot of people leave GFY as it descended into the shit hole it now has become...
So it actually got worse than it was 10-15 years ago??
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So it actually got worse than it was 10-15 years ago??
Definitely...you can barely find a thread about anything relevant now...it used to be mostly drama - now you have to dig for the weekly biz thread of substance
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I am seriously wondering where they get the search terms. When a clip is submitted, you are only given 12 on some of their sites, (20 on others) tags you can use. The channel or account may throw others in there, but they are relevant. Even the description field is about 75 characters so you cant fit all these words there. PornHub has to be adding them on their side. Pretty crappy way to do business. If the submitters are not using Greenguy in their tags or descriptions, where is he getting the term? Makes me never want to submit anything to them or use their clips anywhere else. It also seems to be only PornHub.. hmmmm...
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