.xxx won't work

Jim · 2004-03-23, 08:45 AM

Just saw a story about .xxx on the Today show. Part of the deal of moving sites to the .xxx domain is supposed to be giving up the corresponding .com domain name.

Donna Rice, who opposes this, of course, says that "pornographers" will never give up .com domains. The person, on "our side" says that "pornographers" would give them up for lower credit card processing rates.

I personally think that "our side" is dreaming. Who the hell wants to start from the beginning without any traffic? I think, "our side" should go back to the drawing board.

Some of the other conditions of getting a .xxx domain is, no popups and a bunch of cp crap. They just couldn't get through the story without talking about cp. No wonder so many people think we are scum.

Here is the blurb about the story.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4579921/

Surfn · 2004-03-23, 09:51 AM

The Today show is desperate the are in last place in their time slot.

I bet they didn't interview Larry Flynt and ask his opinions on the domain question. I tell you what I think about giving up my dot coms

Ramster · 2004-03-23, 09:54 AM

I have only ever bought 1 .net domain, everything else I own is .com. I'd rather own the hyphen version than the nonhyphen of .whatever.

Cleo · 2004-03-23, 09:54 AM

I can see also buying some .xxx domains, but it will be a cold day in hell before I give up my .com domains and all theirtraffic.

There is a story about it on CNN's site also.

Jim · 2004-03-23, 01:04 PM

It was clear watching the interview that the only person that knew what they were talking about was Donna Rice. And, to me, that is very sad.

To say a blanket statement like "all adult sites in the world would have no problem giving up their .com domains so the credit cards would charge less for prossesing fees" is just stupid. And this woman is supposed to be on our side.

Kath · 2004-03-23, 01:35 PM

Not going to get myself all worked up here.... not gonna do it...

But everytime any of these bozos gets air time supposedly being on "our side" I just cringe... the media/public opinion of the adult online industry is already bad enough - but stories like this just make things worse.

I agree - the .xxx thing isn't going to work - and if anyone tries to make people give up their .com domaiins, I see a real fight happening. We've been tossing this idea around for years - I just don't see it working.

Jim · 2004-03-23, 01:57 PM

Don't worry Kath...
It seems that for the first time, the people against us, knows a stupid idea when they hear it

Donna Rice even said, the only way it could possibly work would be if congress forced us to do it. But then mentioned, just because congress passed a law, nothing would control the rest of the world. Our girl then was sure we would go along with it because to get a .xxx domain, you would have to sign a contract stipulating that we would give up all .com domains, never use popups and like I said, cp crap. I know, I would never sign a contract that mentioned any of those things. I would never give up my .com domains, never be forced to not use popups and be insulted beyond belief if someone asked me to sign a contract that tells me to not use cp.

kamilla · 2004-03-23, 02:21 PM

I don't see how this would work either - many of my sites are not xxx rated and with an extension like that the surfer would be greatly misslead and that would cost me many signups/bookmarkers/click-throughs

swedguy · 2004-03-23, 07:22 PM

Sign a contract stipulating that we would give up all .com's and not use popups.

I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry

venturi · 2004-03-23, 08:45 PM

They can have my .com domains when they pry them from my cold dead cyber-fingers.

Opti · 2004-03-24, 02:04 AM

having a .xxx tld that users, worldwide, have to enter into a binding agreement about content guidelines to use might be a good thing... if there was incentive to use it... like major search engines gave a preference to those .xxx domains in serps for users searching on obvious adult terms.

NevDull · 2004-03-24, 10:10 AM

The only real benefit I can see of a .xxx domain is that you can say, "Hey, if you want your kids not to see this stuff, block .xxx domains", but that defense falls apart the first time a kid uses a proxy, and you get assfucked anyway.

stuveltje · 2004-03-24, 11:23 AM

xxx.domains, i think they sound good, any one would know, it would be adult orientated...i have all kind of domains, from info to co.uk and it would be very bad if someone would tell you how what and when you may use them

RawAlex · 2004-03-24, 11:25 AM

Moving to .xxx domains would be like signing up to get killed. Search engines could filter you, ISPs could block access to their clients, and independant network people could decide to decline traffic to them. Painting XXX on your domain name would be like painting a target on your business - someone is going to take a shot.

Once you get seperated, you stand out. Once you stand out, you can be singled out.

Please add to this that there would probably still be millions of .coms used to promote porn in other parts of the world, which would move the traffic and such OFF of your .xxx domains and into the hands of the very scam artists and CP pushers that hide in the darker corners of the globe.

Alex

stuveltje · 2004-03-24, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Moving to .xxx domains would be like signing up to get killed. Search engines could filter you, ISPs could block access to their clients, and independant network people could decide to decline traffic to them. Painting XXX on your domain name would be like painting a target on your business - someone is going to take a shot.

ewwwwwwwwww there you make a point, oke i changed my mind, xxx not good

forgayonly · 2004-03-24, 12:05 PM

*.xxx - that's bad idea, because, for clients it's difficult to remember where are they now! for ex.: there are three sites: www.xxxxxxxx.com, www.xxxxxxxx.net, www.xxxxxxxx.xxx;

where was i yesterday?:-))

*.com - immortal!

forgayonly · 2004-03-24, 12:06 PM

ups:-)) sorry for banner!:-))

Surfn · 2004-03-24, 12:21 PM

forgayonly you need to do something different with your sig ASAP

SigrVina · 2004-03-24, 12:22 PM

Okay, I don't post here much because I don't run a porn site. The tips are great and the controversial subject matter on my own sites makes them really useful, but I feel a bit out of the loop. I consume porn (do I ever!), but my sites don't contain it, so I typically stay out of the conversations.

However, today I am being the rogue porn consumer. I like the idea of an .xxx extention on porn sites, as someone mentioned earlier, it would make them a lot easier to find. Personally, even if some search engines decided not to list them, I really don't know anyone who searches for quality porn sites on Google anyway... we go to experts like

, of course. Personally, I don't care about kids that much, if they want to find porn, they will get around even the best security systems and if they are that slick they probably deserve it anyway. But the idea of giving up all other domains in exchange for the .xxx extention is just plain stupid. For quite some time, poor girls like me who are just looking for something good to jerk off to would have a hard time finding our favorite sites or new and improved ones. Until a switchover was complete, you wonderful people would lose money and I would lose my quality time. That is just unacceptable.

I also saw part of that TS episode, and had to wonder where they dig up "adult industry representatives" who are such useless, clueless gits. I would be better , and that is saying quite a lot!

digart · 2004-03-24, 12:26 PM

The closest I could find to the actual agreement or proposed agreemnet is the url below.

http://www.icann.org/tlds/stld-apps-19mar04/xxx.htm

I didn't see the show you are talking about but from what your all saying sounds like total censorship agenda in the making.

Only idiots could take a good idea and add conditions to it to make it a bad one. They forget who helped build the internet.

Can anyone please show me in writting the proposal where it says you have to follow the condition of giving up any .com
sites you own?

xxxjay · 2004-03-24, 12:54 PM

I wonder...how much stock does Donna Rice have it .xxx?

Jim · 2004-03-24, 01:10 PM

xxxjay
Donna Rice is against it. It is our side that thinks it is such a wonderful idea. Donna believes that there is no way adult site owners would ever give up the domains we have.

They never mentioned the cost of a .xxx domain. But, with a contract involved, I don't think they plan on it being as cheap as we are used to paying.

Sodo · 2004-03-24, 01:26 PM

Jim I don't see the difference in signing a contract not to use CP, and agreeing to the TOS of of a sponsor that you're not hosting CP...I can't see how you can take that as an offence! It's just a contract and contracts always has to list the obvious!

The domain thing is totally wacky though!

Kind regards
Sodo(European)

Jim · 2004-03-24, 01:50 PM

Sodo
I see what you are saying and it is just my point of view. I wish I could say that I feel clicking on "Agree" is the same as me putting my name on paper but, I don't. Like I said, it's probably just me.

I have done all I can do to stop cp since the very beginning. If I see a site with it, I turn it in to the proper authorities. If I get an emal with it, I do the same. So, to tell me that I can't have a domain unless I sign a document saying I will not display cp feels like a slap in the face to me and anyone else that actively tries to stop it.

Surfn · 2004-03-24, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim
Sodo
I see what you are saying and it is just my point of view. I wish I could say that I feel clicking on "Agree" is the same as me putting my name on paper but, I don't. Like I said, it's probably just me.

I have done all I can do to stop cp since the very beginning. If I see a site with it, I turn it in to the proper authorities. If I get an emal with it, I do the same. So, to tell me that I can't have a domain unless I sign a document saying I will not display cp feels like a slap in the face to me and anyone else that actively tries to stop it.

That makes two of us.

2004-03-23, 08:45 AM	#1
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	.xxx won't work Just saw a story about .xxx on the Today show. Part of the deal of moving sites to the .xxx domain is supposed to be giving up the corresponding .com domain name. Donna Rice, who opposes this, of course, says that "pornographers" will never give up .com domains. The person, on "our side" says that "pornographers" would give them up for lower credit card processing rates. I personally think that "our side" is dreaming. Who the hell wants to start from the beginning without any traffic? I think, "our side" should go back to the drawing board. Some of the other conditions of getting a .xxx domain is, no popups and a bunch of cp crap. They just couldn't get through the story without talking about cp. No wonder so many people think we are scum. Here is the blurb about the story. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4579921/

2004-03-23, 09:51 AM	#2
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	The Today show is desperate the are in last place in their time slot. I bet they didn't interview Larry Flynt and ask his opinions on the domain question. I tell you what I think about giving up my dot coms __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2004-03-23, 09:54 AM	#3
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2004-03-23, 09:54 AM	#4
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2004-03-23, 01:35 PM	#6
Kath No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California, USA Posts: 284	Not going to get myself all worked up here.... not gonna do it... But everytime any of these bozos gets air time supposedly being on "our side" I just cringe... the media/public opinion of the adult online industry is already bad enough - but stories like this just make things worse. I agree - the .xxx thing isn't going to work - and if anyone tries to make people give up their .com domaiins, I see a real fight happening. We've been tossing this idea around for years - I just don't see it working. __________________ READ...MY...BLOG! - kBlogger.com KLIXXX - Written by webmasters FOR webmasters!

2004-03-23, 01:04 PM	#5
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	It was clear watching the interview that the only person that knew what they were talking about was Donna Rice. And, to me, that is very sad. To say a blanket statement like "all adult sites in the world would have no problem giving up their .com domains so the credit cards would charge less for prossesing fees" is just stupid. And this woman is supposed to be on our side.

2004-03-23, 01:57 PM	#7
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	Don't worry Kath... It seems that for the first time, the people against us, knows a stupid idea when they hear it Donna Rice even said, the only way it could possibly work would be if congress forced us to do it. But then mentioned, just because congress passed a law, nothing would control the rest of the world. Our girl then was sure we would go along with it because to get a .xxx domain, you would have to sign a contract stipulating that we would give up all .com domains, never use popups and like I said, cp crap. I know, I would never sign a contract that mentioned any of those things. I would never give up my .com domains, never be forced to not use popups and be insulted beyond belief if someone asked me to sign a contract that tells me to not use cp.

2004-03-23, 02:21 PM	#8
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2004-03-23, 07:22 PM	#9
swedguy Vagabond Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,374	Sign a contract stipulating that we would give up all .com's and not use popups. I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry

2004-03-23, 08:45 PM	#10
venturi No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: An Oasis atop a High Desert Mesa Posts: 282	They can have my .com domains when they pry them from my cold dead cyber-fingers. __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2004-03-24, 02:04 AM	#11
Opti I Didn't Do It Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: au Posts: 795	having a .xxx tld that users, worldwide, have to enter into a binding agreement about content guidelines to use might be a good thing... if there was incentive to use it... like major search engines gave a preference to those .xxx domains in serps for users searching on obvious adult terms.

2004-03-24, 10:10 AM	#12
NevDull Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Zoom zoom zoom Posts: 20	The only real benefit I can see of a .xxx domain is that you can say, "Hey, if you want your kids not to see this stuff, block .xxx domains", but that defense falls apart the first time a kid uses a proxy, and you get assfucked anyway.

2004-03-24, 11:23 AM	#13
stuveltje Live and learn. And take very careful notes! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny Holland Posts: 6,157	xxx.domains, i think they sound good, any one would know, it would be adult orientated...i have all kind of domains, from info to co.uk and it would be very bad if someone would tell you how what and when you may use them __________________ Canadian Sexlinks - submit Erotica search -submit

2004-03-24, 11:25 AM	#14
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Moving to .xxx domains would be like signing up to get killed. Search engines could filter you, ISPs could block access to their clients, and independant network people could decide to decline traffic to them. Painting XXX on your domain name would be like painting a target on your business - someone is going to take a shot. Once you get seperated, you stand out. Once you stand out, you can be singled out. Please add to this that there would probably still be millions of .coms used to promote porn in other parts of the world, which would move the traffic and such OFF of your .xxx domains and into the hands of the very scam artists and CP pushers that hide in the darker corners of the globe. Alex

2004-03-24, 12:05 PM	#16
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2004-03-24, 12:21 PM	#18
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2004-03-24, 12:22 PM	#19
SigrVina Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Oregon, US Posts: 12	Okay, I don't post here much because I don't run a porn site. The tips are great and the controversial subject matter on my own sites makes them really useful, but I feel a bit out of the loop. I consume porn (do I ever!), but my sites don't contain it, so I typically stay out of the conversations. However, today I am being the rogue porn consumer. I like the idea of an .xxx extention on porn sites, as someone mentioned earlier, it would make them a lot easier to find. Personally, even if some search engines decided not to list them, I really don't know anyone who searches for quality porn sites on Google anyway... we go to experts like , of course. Personally, I don't care about kids that much, if they want to find porn, they will get around even the best security systems and if they are that slick they probably deserve it anyway. But the idea of giving up all other domains in exchange for the .xxx extention is just plain stupid. For quite some time, poor girls like me who are just looking for something good to jerk off to would have a hard time finding our favorite sites or new and improved ones. Until a switchover was complete, you wonderful people would lose money and I would lose my quality time. That is just unacceptable. I also saw part of that TS episode, and had to wonder where they dig up "adult industry representatives" who are such useless, clueless gits. I would be better , and that is saying quite a lot! __________________ Just your average anal sex fanatic...

2004-03-24, 12:26 PM	#20
digart Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Central America Posts: 3	where are the written conditions?.xxx The closest I could find to the actual agreement or proposed agreemnet is the url below. http://www.icann.org/tlds/stld-apps-19mar04/xxx.htm I didn't see the show you are talking about but from what your all saying sounds like total censorship agenda in the making. Only idiots could take a good idea and add conditions to it to make it a bad one. They forget who helped build the internet. Can anyone please show me in writting the proposal where it says you have to follow the condition of giving up any .com sites you own? __________________ digart

2004-03-24, 12:54 PM	#21
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	I wonder...how much stock does Donna Rice have it .xxx? __________________ Circle Of Violence

2004-03-24, 01:10 PM	#22
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	xxxjay Donna Rice is against it. It is our side that thinks it is such a wonderful idea. Donna believes that there is no way adult site owners would ever give up the domains we have. They never mentioned the cost of a .xxx domain. But, with a contract involved, I don't think they plan on it being as cheap as we are used to paying.

2004-03-24, 01:26 PM	#23
Sodo Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark(Europe) Posts: 205	Jim I don't see the difference in signing a contract not to use CP, and agreeing to the TOS of of a sponsor that you're not hosting CP...I can't see how you can take that as an offence! It's just a contract and contracts always has to list the obvious! The domain thing is totally wacky though! Kind regards Sodo(European) __________________ - To a new beginning!

2004-03-24, 01:50 PM	#24
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	Sodo I see what you are saying and it is just my point of view. I wish I could say that I feel clicking on "Agree" is the same as me putting my name on paper but, I don't. Like I said, it's probably just me. I have done all I can do to stop cp since the very beginning. If I see a site with it, I turn it in to the proper authorities. If I get an emal with it, I do the same. So, to tell me that I can't have a domain unless I sign a document saying I will not display cp feels like a slap in the face to me and anyone else that actively tries to stop it.