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View Poll Results: What cookie time is OK for YOU when it's about promoting RevShare paysites? | |||
Doesn't really matter for me (1 day is OK) | 0 | 0% | |
At least 3 days | 3 | 13.04% | |
One week | 1 | 4.35% | |
One month | 7 | 30.43% | |
3 Month and more | 12 | 52.17% | |
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll |
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2010-08-12, 03:20 PM | #1 |
Are you sure this is the Sci-Fi Convention? It's full of nerds!
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What cookie time is OK for YOU when it's about promoting RevShare paysites?
I know it's an old stuff, but let's have a poll on it
check this out, btw http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=58564
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2010-08-12, 04:43 PM | #2 |
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I promote mostly CCBill programs, as thats where most of the best fetish wear niche sites reside. I don't expect anything longer than 3 days, since that is the CCBill default when setting up the program. Longer is nice, but many of these site owners barely understand how it all works on the CCBill side so I don't get offended if they haven't changed it from the default.
That said, I do get pretty annoyed when I find it has been deliberatey changed to something shorter. |
2010-08-12, 05:12 PM | #3 |
You can now put whatever you want in this space :)
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Everyone wants their cookies to live forever but I think that 30 days is reasonable.
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2010-08-12, 09:26 PM | #4 |
What do you mean, my birth certificate expired?
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What Art said!
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2010-08-12, 11:43 PM | #5 |
Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it?
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While a year is nice, a month is a reasonable time in which if the surfer comes back, you get the sale..any longer than that and it's really tough to make the case that it's you and your stuff that sold him on getting that membership...
so I say a month is a good solid time frame too...
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2010-08-13, 01:29 AM | #6 |
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Can't see any reason at all that if the owner knows how to, the ccbill cookie should be less than 255 days, the maximum.
Re: it might not be your stuff that made the sale - well yes, it would be, as if another aff sent the surfer, *their* cookie would be the one on the customers computer. |
2010-08-13, 03:02 AM | #7 |
You can now put whatever you want in this space :)
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I put ours to 30days ... thought it was a reasonable time - the 3day default definately should be expanded (i know i often take longer than that to decide what i want for breakfast lol)
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2010-08-13, 07:17 AM | #8 |
You can now put whatever you want in this space :)
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I voted for 3 months or more. Even though a lot of people delete their history, including cookies, more often then they did in the past. I still think that lenght matters
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2010-08-13, 07:29 AM | #9 |
That which does not kill us, will try, try again.
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My stand on this is the same as always. A cookie should never expire... anything shorter than that, someone is taking your traffic and refusing to pay you for the surfer you originally sent to them.
If a webmaster sends someone to a tour and he gets interrupted by something before he can join but goes back later, or tomorrow, or next week, or next month, or whenever, I think the original webmaster who sent that surfer deserves a commission if he was the last affiliate who sent that surfer to the sponsor's tour. Unless a surfers clicks another affiliate link which overwrites your cookie, there is no good reason for a cookie to expire aside from sponsor greed. The shorter the cookie life, the more the sponsor is demonstrating their greed. The sponsor is basically saying to you, "this is what I think all of your work is worth." All traffic has some cost and therefore some value, even if only the time and work that went into building the pages or writing the posts which originally convinced the surfer to visit the tour page. Short cookies seem to say that the sponsor doesn't believe our traffic has much value to them. Which makes me think it may not be a very good idea to send our traffic to them either. Seriously, is there any reason to use short cookies besides depriving the webmaster of an earned commission as early as possible?
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2010-08-13, 09:25 AM | #10 |
Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it?
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i still think the 30 days is fine...
don't forget that on the flip side of things... the sponsor...does alot of work normally as well, getting SE listings, blogs, social networking, ect...where they link directly into themselves, and as such they may well be responsable for that signup from the guy who wasn't quite convinced a couple months before to sign up from your site...to now be sure he wants to sign up with the new info...and no new cookie since he came in directly... so yea 30 days is a lifetime for the surfer, none of them remember what they saw a month before on some free site or gallery anyway...
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2010-08-13, 12:54 PM | #12 |
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I always set the CCBill cooking for something really long. I think I have it set for 180 days over at FoxyAngel but really your cookie is only good until the surfer clicks the next webmaster's ad for a site.
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2010-08-14, 01:47 AM | #13 | ||
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Quote:
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1) Affiliate trust/loyalty - affiliates are partners, and should be treated as such, whatever you can give them, give them. 2) See )1. |
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2010-08-14, 01:50 AM | #14 |
Oh no, I'm sweating like Roger Ebert
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I'll take as long as I can get but I think anything more than about 3 days is being generous.
To many things happen over a period of time for me to feel I should get the credit for a referral 3 months old just because the person happened by my site once and clicked a link. With surfer forums and social media there are just too many ways a surfer can find a site and just because he clicked a link on my site once doesn't mean I made the sale or deserve credit for it. |
2010-08-14, 01:54 AM | #15 |
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And it doesn't mean you didn't, and don't. Why should you not get paid on a sale that you possibly didn't generate, at the behest (fucking cant believe that's the only word coming into my head lol) of sales that you possibly did generate?
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2010-08-14, 12:10 PM | #16 |
Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it?
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Jel, that imaginary creature that comes back a month later with enough cash..never met them...don't really believe they exist...i've met the week or til payday ones..but never the 31+ day ones....
so yea i still stick with the 30 day being fair...that's what i had on all my paysites and no one had a problem with it... and i can tell you the unaffiliated signup was a rare beast anyway...very rare...porn is and will be an impulse buy..
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2010-08-14, 02:12 PM | #17 | ||
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Quote:
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JMHO/YMMV
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2010-08-14, 02:34 PM | #18 |
If there is nobody out there, that's a lot of real estate going to waste!
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Paysites, I would prefer as long as possible.
When you can into "products" I propably won't promote without at maximum cookie life. Take a look at the RealTouch thread, and the discussion about cookies. Large ticket items generally result in the surfer checking reviews, checking competitive pructucts, best pricing, etc. And then the site gets bookmarked until a special occasion like anniversaries, Valentines Day, Xmas, etc. |
2010-08-14, 07:21 PM | #19 |
The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
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I'm curious as to why you think this only applies to Revshare programs & not PPS?
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2010-08-14, 08:04 PM | #20 |
Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it?
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Great point GG!!!
yeppers, it should apply to all... alot of us hashed it out on the beach today about this very topic..it was a good one
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2010-08-14, 08:39 PM | #21 |
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I don't sell Amazon products but I've always wondered if when someone clicks on their site logo if that overwrites the affiliates cookie since its url is http://www.amazon.com/ref=gno_logo.
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2010-08-15, 06:03 AM | #22 |
Stupid risks make life worth living
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I didnīt bother about the cookie thing for my sites until I read about it in dizzys posting. I set my cookies to 30 days now and I wouldnīt have problems to set it to max.
The question is, does it matter? Of course there could be surfers coming back after 200 days or so. But are there really those surfers? I canīt answer the question because I do not have any numbers to make a decision. On the other hand I think most surfers sign up at once and those who donīt wonīt come back to the site after 200 days. So personally I donīt care about it and if Iīm right, even a lifetime cookie wouldnīt change much if anything. |
2010-08-15, 07:36 AM | #23 |
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This is not 100% appropriate as I am talking as a webmaster rather than an ordinary hillman but: Occasionally I click on a sig on this board and see a sponsor that is no good for me at the time, but several months later I start a project, remember that sponsor and realise they will be ideal for my new project so sign up then. There has also been at least one incidence where this has happened over a year later. If I can remember who's sig I saw it in, I come back here and go through their sig to sign up. But more often than not, either they have changed their sig or I have forgotten who's post the sig was on. In those cases (if the sig is being used for a "refer a WM bonus") it would only be fair if the cookie was set for several years.
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2010-08-15, 08:53 AM | #24 |
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That's a damn good example ecchi.
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2010-08-15, 10:59 AM | #25 |
Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it?
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yea... webmaster cookies are a completely different animal...we are beasts of a different breed for sure...forever on them does sound good..
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