Linklists and Free Sites: How Do We Move Forward?

[tigermom]

Awesome post. Very well written, on top of containing great advice.

My only question to LL owners would be, if you can so easily tell the automated junk from the hand-made sites, why not reject the junk and help us all keep the system healthier?

[Simon]

You know, Marc, if you didn't waste time writing great posts, you'd be able to spend it coming up with more cool tools like those Smart Flash banners.

(note: emphasis is mine)

Originally Posted by mb

...and linklists help to police this by not accepting cookie-cutter, auto-generated spam sites, then the bad seeds will be weeded out and the entire system will begin to breath easier. It's going to take time and everyone has to work together to get there, but I'm certain it's possible.

Originally Posted by kit

Nice point mb, but have you idea, how really stop the "cookie-cutter, auto-generated spam sites"? I think this is impossible. Smart webmasters already do as you stated, but there is 80% lazy ones still here and you (and we all) have no power to drop them.

Originally Posted by tigermom

My only question to LL owners would be, if you can so easily tell the automated junk from the hand-made sites, why not reject the junk and help us all keep the system healthier?

Why wouldn't everyone want to eliminate the poor-quality free sites?

Or...what is the advantage to accepting them, since it seems that's what's happening.

Inquiring minds want to know.



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[kit]

Originally Posted by Simon

Why wouldn't everyone want to eliminate the poor-quality free sites?
Or...what is the advantage to accepting them, since it seems that's what's happening.
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Can you find serious differences between following two sites?

http://www.mytrannydesire.com/fs/3003/
http://kinky-cleo.com/porn/tranny/se...ics/index.html

One of them has been listed on all mentioned link sites, other is not listed even in one link site.

[amadman]

Can you find serious differences between following two sites?

The I am Live thing is what would kill the first one for me.

Some of the dark links blend in with the background on the second one. But I am color blind so that could just be me.

[Cleo]

Originally Posted by kit

Can you find serious differences between following two sites?

http://www.mytrannydesire.com/fs/3003/
http://kinky-cleo.com/porn/tranny/se...ics/index.html

One of them has been listed on all mentioned link sites, other is not listed even in one link site.

No doc type tag
No meta tags
No opening and closing html page tags
No alt tags

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by kit

Can you find serious differences between following two sites?

http://www.mytrannydesire.com/fs/3003/
http://kinky-cleo.com/porn/tranny/se...ics/index.html

One of them has been listed on all mentioned link sites, other is not listed even in one link site.

Follow the url trail as you go through the sites. It's pretty easy to see the difference.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by kit

Can you find serious differences between following two sites?

http://www.mytrannydesire.com/fs/3003/
http://kinky-cleo.com/porn/tranny/se...ics/index.html

One of them has been listed on all mentioned link sites, other is not listed even in one link site.

One doesn't seem to see the need to use a font?

One has horrible custom recips?

One has a warning that was copied from a groupsex/orgy site?

One uses grammar & words that only an automatic translation program would use?

One is on a server (or on the other side or a router) that keeps going down when I try to look at other pages on the site/domains?

One has a 2257 page that:
was copied from Fetish Hits?
has meta tags?
uses a font?

One shares a server with Harrypotteronline.us?

One was built by a very respected member of this board, which means you picked on the wrong shemale free site?

Are any of those correct?

[mb]

Originally Posted by tigermom

Awesome post. Very well written, on top of containing great advice.

My only question to LL owners would be, if you can so easily tell the automated junk from the hand-made sites, why not reject the junk and help us all keep the system healthier?

If it were only that easy! Not every link list has the luxury of having "too many submissions". We do because we've been around for so long, as do a handful of other linklists. But smaller linklists are in love with submissions. The more the better. So in the quest for more submissions, quality assurance goes out the door. What they don't realize is that by only taking quality, hand built submissions and deleting the rest, they are helping their linklist exponentially. The bad ones dilute their traffic and affect their SE rankings in a way that they might not notice on the surface. But this cyclical negative effect is real.

Let's say you only accept 1 out of every 5 submissions you receive. But that one site is high quality and will eventually rank well in the SEs. The linklist that ONLY has that one site listed will fare much better than the one that accepted the other 4 autogenerated junk sites that are in turn on the negative side of the SEs and returning the favor to their linklist. Additionally, their surfers will enjoy that 1 site, end up at a quality sponsor, maybe join and come back the next day for another high quality submission. The linklist with the 4 junk listings will send their surfers to hell and lose that surfer forever.

You've got to think long term and be patient with this stuff. Again, nothing comes easy. We've drastically cut down on the number of submissions we accept at hoes.com for the very reasons I've outlined above and will continue to be more strict in the future.

marc

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by mb

Let's say you only accept 1 out of every 5 submissions you receive. But that one site is high quality and will eventually rank well in the SEs. The linklist that ONLY has that one site listed will fare much better than the one that accepted the other 4 autogenerated junk sites that are in turn on the negative side of the SEs and returning the favor to their linklist. Additionally, their surfers will enjoy that 1 site, end up at a quality sponsor, maybe join and come back the next day for another high quality submission. The linklist with the 4 junk listings will send their surfers to hell and lose that surfer forever.

I made mistake of accepting just about anything reasonable submitted since my list was growing very slow. Lost almost all of my search engine traffic (which was a fairly decent amount). It has been a long hard ride trying to get it back too.

I will not be making that same mistake with my directory. If it takes 10 years to get it rocking, so be it.