Which Spons are Ready for 2257 Change?

[Toby]

Hotlinking to images from a page hosted on your site doesn't get you around having to maintain 2257 records. The page displaying the images is still being published on your site. Linking to hosted galleries is about the only way around maintaining 2257 records for galleries with sexually explicit images, and it better be a text link or a thumb made from a non-explicit photo set.

[Linkster]

Toby - think about what you just said - and then think about what a sponsor who had a head on their shoulders would do - I know the first thing I would be doing is offering a sponsor free host and offer to host all of the content right on my sponsor server - that way the content never goes anywhere else and the affiliates still get to submit - of course convincing the TGPs and LLs to take sponsor hosted stuff might get in the way a little but Im sure that could be overcome with some guarantees from the sponsor.

There are ways to make this stuff work for you instead of against you

[Toby]

I'm not so sure sponsor provided hosting is the answer. If you want to get technical, you're still the publisher, it just happens to be hosted on the sponsor's domain instead of your own.

Now, a modified version of free hosted galleries and hosted free sites, that allow you to insert recip codes via an admin console would probably do the trick. But again, getting TGP's and LL's to accept them is another issue.

[plateman]

I know what I can do to keep my se listings is have the LL drop the sites and link my main page to two hosted galleries on those cybernet sites that make me a little bling and then look for content to replace what I have and maybe loose a few sites kinda hard and costly to replace a site with "machine sex" as a title to stay within LL rules.. but lately I been busy replacing old ARS content and have been actually like building new sites because those sites were listed at 1 or 2 places so they are borne again LOL

And yes I used a mix of bought content and sponsor - but it just kills me to turn off the sites that have sponsor movie content or old sponsor content that they cant get the docs for.. take outback cash I make a little from them almost every month and I used some of there and some bought content and it looks like I cant get the docs from either of the content I used.. So I am I think if this 2257 passes I'll gamble and leave the stuff there till I get it replaced with 2257 legal content...

[lokiporn]

we have been getting a number of 2257 inquiries. we will have an online record-keeping system made available to webmasters, fulfilling all the necessary requirements for 2257, on june 20th.

For everybody with this sponsor.

[xsiteu]

I have just sent their free hosting (ndhosting) a message asking them what they are doing. As the host only has Nasty content I tought it should be easy for them to make the domain complient.

[xsiteu]

This note is the first of several updates to all of our webmasters regarding the new Justice Department regulations for 18 U.S.C. 2257 which will go into effect on June 23, 2005. In order to abide by the rules set forth in this regulation, Lindamight.com regrets we must take the following action: *Free content: At this time lindamight.com will discontinue offering free content for promotion of our site. If you are using free content from Lindamight.com you should remove it now. Though we are in possession of OUR id's for this content we are not going to be providing them to webmasters and would ask that you remove any “explicit content” advertising our site. Explicit content includes actual sexual conduct including all varieties of sexual intercourse, vaginal, oral, anal, gay, straight, masturbation and sadistic or masochistic abuse. Also, any depictions of the genitals would fall within this definition. As the last email explained, all explicit banners should be removed and replaced by either the generic banner available through CCBill on our site, or a text link could be made of your choice. If you have any questions, please email either lindamight@aol.com, or georgemight@aol.com. Thank you and I hope to continue to remain successful in the affiliate program. Linda

and also this on the same day

In keeping with compliance of the new 2257 regulations, all explicit banners have been removed from the Affiliate Program. There is only one banner that will work and in order for you to continue to make $$$, the change requires that you change your banner that promotes my site to the generic banner that is available. This banner can be found at http://www.lindamight.com/Banners/banner1.jpg. Please remember, if you leave the current banner on your site, it will not go through and neither of us will make a sale. If you wish to make your own banners to suit your tastes that is fine, or you can just create a text link. Thank you for your cooperation and email me if there are any questions. Linda

Its this second e-mail that is interesting as it suggests that sending sales from explicit banners will result in the sales not being processed for both Linda Might and the webmaster.

Linda Might use CCBILL. I just wonder how this is going to work. Are CCBILL going to police this?

I am a non US webmaster using non US hosting yet I am being told that my sales will not be recorded if I continue to use their explicit banners or content. (Cant really see how one can promote her big clit without any image at all - but that is a seperate issue)

In other posts I have read:

Green Guy:
Well, not 50 - but a lot of programs are no longer allowing the use of the content that they did in the past & if you don't have permission to use the content, then you're breaking their TOS, not to mention copyright laws.

Anyone know why all these sponsors can not cater for non US webmasters.

I just got the statement from Guerillatraffic and they say (see last sentance)

We will also be providing hardcore content as usual. Within the 2257 hardcore zip files we will provide the correct documentation with the model addresses blacked out. Webmasters will have the model's full name, DOB and picture. We are ONLY using content that we have documentation for and we will be fully organized and fully compliant with the 2257 regulations. In the event an affiliate is questioned for 2257 compliance by the relevant authorities our documents will be fully accessible to you. We will also have a softcore downloads section, and a hardcore downloads section with no 2257 documentation for non US citizens.

So they seem to think they can do it.

It is unfair on American webmasters I know but we are not doing this to you. You are doing it to yoursleves - a new type of prohabition doomed to failure.

If American programs try to force this on non us webmasters then I fear tickler is correct when he predicts

Especially foreign WMs being forced to pull stuff sucks, because of some dumb US regulation. As it comes down, it will be replaced with foreign sponsors that don't mind affilates promoting their sites with hardcore

I have more than 10 different paid hosting and most of it is US based. It looks like I may have to move to Non US hosting. I don't want to but this is going to force me. I feel sorry for the hosts in this to.

[Greenguy]

A couple more to add from the news

Max Cash

WEG Cash

This is the solution we came up with.

We tried to launch some sets that were exempt of the regulation and it does not seem to have worked. Well not many sales so far.

Content shot before 1995, for affiliates only.

Softcore content on Paulm Markahm Content Store, again for affiliates only.


As for sponsors hosting well they already do that and the problem with it is the quality of content they give out in FHGs. They need to seriously rethink that business model if it's to fly.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by xsiteu

Its this second e-mail that is interesting as it suggests that sending sales from explicit banners will result in the sales not being processed for both Linda Might and the webmaster.

Linda Might use CCBILL. I just wonder how this is going to work. Are CCBILL going to police this?

The 2257 and .xxx Conference - Day 2
http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=230103
"Epoch co-founder Clay Andrews told the crowd that several webmasters have approached
his company about processing overseas in order to avoid 2257, a solution that’s not a
solution at all.

Since 2257 came down we’ve had a lot of requests to move to offshore processing.
We decline them, he said. It doesn’t matter where you process."

WTF, are the processors policing also?

Anybody that was there get anymore on this?

[Useless]

Just received Spunky Cash's official statement and I don't mind telling you, it's EXACTLY what I like to see and is in line with what OC Cash has already said. The biggest difference being that Spunky is Canadian based. I'm damned pleased to see programs stand up and state the obvious; the new regs are a crock of shit.

Spunky Productions Inc. is a Canadian based adult entertainment company. As such, it falls under the purview of Canadian law and those of its province, British Columbia.

In Canada, the right to privacy is a right taken very seriously. In order to align Canada with the European Union's directive regarding the protection of data, the federal government enacted the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA for short). Quebec has been a leader in fashioning privacy protection for its citizens, including constitutional protection for Aa right to respect for his private life@ in Section 5 of the Quebec Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms, RSQC, c-12, Section 5. The European community has developed, throughout the 1990's, a directive that was passed by the Council of Ministers in October 1995 and came into force in October 1998, obliging all member states to block the flow of personal data to states without Aadequate protection@, subject to the derogations listed in Article 26. America maintained that self-regulation was a preferred approach to dealing with privacy issues. America is not in line with the European community on this subject.

In Canada, Federal legislation generally applies to federally regulated organizations and applies to provincial organizations where a province has not implemented its own equivalent protections. British Columbia has implemented the Personal Information Protection Act. That Act has been recognized as equivalent legislation by the Canadian government. Accordingly, Spunky Productions Inc.'s electronic data falls under the Personal Information Protection Act of British Columbia. As such, there are certain rights that adult entertainment performers have under that Act and certain obligations that SEG has pursuant to that Act as well.

Spunky Productions Inc.'s Canadian counsel, in consultation with US attorneys, is of the view that the new Regulations are unconstitutional under US law.

The Tenth Circuit's decision in Sundance Assoc., Inc. v. Reno, 139 F.3d 804 (10th Cir. 1998) held that the record keeping rule did not apply to secondary producers as it exceeded the Department's statutory authority. It was held to be unconstitutional. Spunky Productions Inc. is of the view that this is the correct interpretation of the legislation and the Sundance case was decided on that particular point. In contrast, the American Library Ass'n v. Reno, 33 F.3d 78 (D.C. Cir. 1994) decision did not deal with the specific point. However that case is being interpreted as an implied endorsement of the approach taken by the drafters of the new 2257 Regulations. The Free Speech Coalition has filed for injunctive relief in the U.S. District Court District of Colorado based on this analysis.

Spunky Productions Inc. will not, at this time, be releasing any model identification based on the foregoing analysis. Spunky Productions Inc. intends to honour its commitment to its adult entertainment models to respect and be vigilant in the protection of their right to privacy.

[Sammy4u]

I know I don't get over here enough but I know some of my affiliates do so here is how we are dealing with the new 2257 regs:


We know it has been troubling for many companies, but times are changing and we all have to adapt to these new appended laws. SammySmack is currently working with our affiliates to make sure this transition goes smoothly.

Starting on June 22, 2005 we will be pulling all promotional content with “other models” in it. Any affiliates continuing to use that promo material will not be compliant.

Affiliates that would like to use our hardcore content may contact us with the following information: Affiliate ID, Name, Company Name and URL.

These requests will be reviewed on a case by case basis and upon our approval we will release the proper documents to our affiliates. We will not be releasing docs for anyone except Brett and myself.

We would like to remind any current and future affiliates that use our Free Hosted Galleries and Free Sites that you should not be affected.

If you have any questions or comments please don't hesitate to contact us.

ICQ:
Sammy: 178-294-423
Brett: 136-726-857

E-mail:
Sammy – Sammy@sammy4u.com
Brett – Brett@sammy4u.com

[Greenguy]

As usual, a couple more:

Sammy Smack

Mega Porn Bucks

Sweet Money

Hawgs Cash

[Greenguy]

Giga Cash

Lunar Cash

[Greenguy]

A couple more from today's news:

Digibucks

Pride Bucks

Fresh Checks

[Pusher]

I agree with Paul...a likely result of the new 2257 regs will be a decline in the amount of free porn (especially hardcore) on the net.

That means surfers will have to PAY to get the hardcore stuff!

LONG LIVE GONZALEZ

[jaYMan]

After a month of counsel with our attorney, we have came to a decision regarding the new 2257 laws that effect US webmasters.

RavenRiley.com fully supports all legitimate efforts to eradicate child pornography from the net and punish any who produce it. However, we do not believe the new regulations published by the Attorney General will have any success in reducing CP but will instead reduce the amount of legal, constitutionally protected adult expression. Webmasters have already begun taking down pages. Producers have withdrawn content. Legitimate free speech is being silenced.

We believe that the Department of Justice has exceeded its authority by requiring so-called “secondary producers” to maintain copies of records kept by us. We also believe that the additional records-keeping requirements are unconstitutionally burdensome and will eventually be struck down.

RavenRiley.com also supports compliance with laws that are in effect. Therefore, we are taking certain measures so that our program is in compliance with the new regulations until they are enjoined or struck down. We believe the private, personal information of all models deserves to be protected and we will not provide copies of any model ID’s to any affiliates. RavenRiley.com is not a law firm, so we won’t be giving you any advice on what to do with the content you already have up! No permission is given by RavenRiley.com to put up any new pages or sites using previously released hardcore content. All new content provided to affiliates will not be sexually explicit, and no banners or ads will feature hardcore scenes. We have rented space for our new offices and accordingly will be storing all of our records at the new location, so please take note of our new Custodian of Records information.

Our Affiliates are the reason RavenRiley.com has become such an immensely popular website this year. We are committed to providing sexy content that keeps surfers coming back. The great material our affiliates and surfers love will still be on our hosted sites and galleries and will be fully compliant. We will continue to add hot new content every week and continue to provide live, streaming and very hot hardcore video for our members.
If anyone would like to contact us about this, please feel free.

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by Pusher

I agree with Paul...a likely result of the new 2257 regs will be a decline in the amount of free porn (especially hardcore) on the net.

That means surfers will have to PAY to get the hardcore stuff!

LONG LIVE GONZALEZ

That seems pretty much wrong to me, and here's why.

There is plenty of free porn available from non-US sites. Scads of Russian and East European sites feature tons of non-2257-compliant hardcore, often with models that are clearly under US legal age.

As smaller US affiliate webmasters are driven out of the market by the burden of 2257, or switch to softcore-only free sites and galleries, the surfers will not somehow magically be motivated to pay for hardcore content, but will rather get their "free" hardcore fix from Euro and Asian-based sites that will happily move in to fill the vacuum left behind, and the overall amount of porn featuring models of questionable legal age will likely increase rather than decrease thanks to 2257.

Aside from the illogic of the argument, a pornographer supporting the policies of crazed fundamentalist porn-haters just seems outright irrational and foolish to me.
I'm pretty damn sure that the Bush/Gonzalez policies on porn are not intended to increase the bottom line profits of webmasters.

[Tommy]

I think its onnly gonna make a short term difference

I think a lot of us webmasters will back away from hardcore stuff but after time will go back to it

if you think about it
lets say you were gonna go buy some content in a month or 2 and build some sites or gallerys

your gonna know who has shitty ids and who doesnt

you would make sure you would be getting the ids and document the new sites as you build them

in 2 months there are gonna be a shitload of scripts and what not

the hard part is going over all this older stuff in 30 days

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Tommy

I think its onnly gonna make a short term difference

I think even if these regs go unchanged in about a month everyone will be rolling again. Most of the problems have occurred because of content providers not being able to provide (those that can't will pretty much turn to dust and blow away) and sponsor content that people couldn't get id's for.

A month from now, everyone will be up to speed...they'll know which content providers will provide them with unsanitized documents, and we'll all be do some hardcore again.

Maybe in a few days we can just do what you suggested...get a list of content providers that provide 100% compliant documentation with no grey areas...this means no sanitized docs as far as I'm concerned. Others may differ in the sanitized/unsanitized thing, but if I'm doing hardcore galleries (My specialty btw), I'm going to make damn sure I have no grey areas.

[Greenguy]

They are just pouring into the news now:

Make Bling

Perfecto Dollars

Puppy Cash

Fetish Affiliates

Raven Riley

Innocent Cash

Fat Pay Checks

Georgia Cash

Pancho Dog

Join Right Now

Reality Sites

IA Cash

[Far-L]

Dear Affiliates,

We thank you for your patience while we determined our official stance regarding 2257 compliance. Since the inception of the original record keeping act requirements of 2257 Xplor Media doing business as Homegrown Video has maintained records according to the requirements. New Destiny Internet Group will continue to be the exclusive licensor for Homegrown Video and Xplor Media content for the internet. As always Xplor and New Destiny are committed to maintaining documentation and upholding the law.

Like many other companies, we have been working around the clock to make sure that all our records are properly maintained and indexed and cross referenced.

We have judiciously waited to the last minute to make an announcement in order to obtain vast legal advice and to make a reasonable decision.

Online stores which feature our products will be provided soft-core versions of our box covers for display.

Affiliates will have the following requirements:

Affiliates of Homegrown Video can only use our soft-core pictures and clips for galleries and only soft-core banners will be permitted. Webmasters that wish to design their own banners and templates for galleries must get design approval from New Destiny Internet Group.

We are confident that we have made the best decisions possible to protect not only our clients and affiliates but also the confidentiality of the models we feature in our content. We thank all our clients and affiliates for their continued support of Homegrown Video. We look forward to serving you well into the future.

If there are any questions then please feel free to contact me directly.

Farrell Timlake
President, Homegrown Video
timlake AT homegrownvideo.com

[Greenguy]

I'm getting sick of posting these

There's a shitload more on today's news page & that's where they will be from here on out.