Why sites like Sleep Assualt are a bad idea

[RawAlex]

http://hartfordadvocate.com/gbase/Ne...oid=oid:144020

Once again, the net gets blamed for college guys being horny enough to do something stupid (and that really should be criminal).


Discuss amoungst yourselves. I am a little verklempt right now.

Alex

[Bill]

Not a terribly strong argument. Everything gets blamed on the net now, just as a hundred years ago everything was blamed on the dime novel, and 500 years ago everything was blamed on that infernal printing press.

Cro Magnon probably blamed everything on the horrible invention of fat-and-charcoal cave paintings. Then they started to use red ochre and the whole world went to hell in a handbasket.

And boys and men have been doing sexual things to sleeping women for a million years. This isn't a new phenomenon, something no boy ever thought of doing before the internet.

Now, if you were to say this is an example of how the media will scapegoat porners, I'd agree with that.

Which is why I think we need to give the politicians a scapegoat for their ritual humiliations and torture. And that scapegoat should be spammers bulkers and toolbar installers.

If we don't give the politicians the spammers and scumware boys, they will be just as happy to use us as their scapegoat.

[GenXer]

It's pretty extreme and not my cup of tea, I'd never promote it. However, it's their prerogative as long as it is legal.

[LB]

For those of you who may have seen the sleepassault original tour before they toned down some of the text, you would know the true nature of the site.

Thing is that those sorts of soft rape sites will be used against all of us eventually in a global effort to discredit our industry further. Too many programs are going for extreeme and shock to pull sales. It can only backfire eventually.

[frankthetank]

It´s the most easy way for politicians to blame porn or the internet for crimes. There won´t be scientific proof that porn drives persons into criminals. Just try to define porn.

But it´s a good and popular position to cut off freedom of speech. I won´t defend those guys, it´s a crime and just not right. But porn - whatever that means - isn´t the reason for it.

[plateman]

they sell guns and ammo and you can watch tv with people shooting other people, look how many shows were challenged for giving people the urge and idea to kill people.... those shows are still on tv...

I agree it doesnt look good...

[RawAlex]

Porn is now the "two black youths" of online crime. We are generically blamed for everything from online addiction to divorce, murder, rape, and every other scam in the world. I am sure that they have managed to make those nigerian "409" scams look like the fault of porn somehow.

It's pretty disgusting.

Alex

[juggernaut]

Well in this day and age we all know most people are always looking to point a finger at someone else for there lack of parenting skills. I understand that there's only so much a parent can do and in the end the child will grow up to be their own person. But I still think beating the shit out of your kids is a good thing. Not giving them broken bones or black eyes, but a serious ass kicking. I was beat down with anything my mom could get her hands on, most of the time it was a leather belt that she wore around her neck. It taught me a very good lesson, fuck up and you get punished. For every bad action there will be a bad reaction. My dad was differant, he let me learn from my own mistakes. Like the time I was playing with a 9 volt battery. He let me put it on my tounge and I learned very fast not to do that. That's how you parent your kids. Not putting them in a corner for a time out.
I never got the whole sleep sex thing. Any normal human knows the person is not really sleeping, but then again I think it was Albert Einstein who said "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." You are always going to have those dumbass people who just have no control over themselves. I don't know what's going on in this world today with the youth, but man I have to think the internet is not helping. Seriously what where these morons thinking? Hey it would be cool to jerk off on a sleeping girl?
Well we all know those type of sites will never be good for the adult world. People put them up for 1 reason only $$$$. Greed is the mother of stupidity.

[MrYum]

Yea, I just rejected a site last night that was along that sleep assault theme. Only in this case, both the free site and the paysite were quite clear...the girl was being drugged and/or boozed up until she passed out...so she could have no say in the matter

Don't care how ya slice it...that shit's just wrong

[gregtx]

simulated rape... isn't a great idea.. kinda like fake snuff.. just puts a target on ones head... risk vs reward I guess...

[Carl]

This is no good...

Why not just blame the dumb ass guys who did this?

I am sure they didn't see a porn site telling them to do it!

It said they watched "pornography" to get up for the occasion.

It didn't say they looked it up on the internet. Some how the person who wrote the article still found a way to blame porn on the internet; maybe they should blame the adult video stores? Maybe they own that shit on DVD?

Seems like they blame the internet for every thing these days…

I guess they can blame porn if they like... It doesn’t matter if it was from the internet or not.

I still say blame the guys who did it! Not porno?

I am sure the guy who did this in 1994 at Baylor University didn’t have the internet as an excuse. (maybe)

[gregtx]

Originally Posted by Carl

This is no good...

Why not just blame the dumb ass guys who did this?

I am sure they didn't see a porn site telling them to do it!

It said they watched "pornography" to get up for the occasion.

It didn't say they looked it up on the internet. Some how the person who wrote the article still found a way to blame porn on the internet; maybe they should blame the adult video stores? Maybe they own that shit on DVD?

Seems like they blame the internet for every thing these days…

I guess they can blame porn if they like... It doesn’t matter if it was from the internet or not.

I still say blame the guys who did it! Not porno?

I am sure the guy who did this in 1994 at Baylor University didn’t have the internet as an excuse. (maybe)

people are idiots and sheep... look at all of the disclaimers on "jackass" and fear factor.. and then people go out and do those stunts... those shows get blammed too.. luckily i'm sure they have legal already built into their budget... I hope this site does as well... lawsuits are expensive... again.. risk vs reward... would suck to make $1M and spend more than half of that defending oneself in court.. just b/c its a first amendment right..

[[BV]]

Blame it on Elvis, blame it on Elvis.

It's the American way!

[Halfdeck]

Nah, blame it all on Bush. It seems to fly

[SirMoby]

I've expressed by opinions about Sleep Assult, Bang Bus and the likes and I've stated clearly I will never support any of them.

However, since the cold war is over people need someone to hate and blame for their own failures. The far right has chosen porn and free speech. Not only does hate help unite and control a population but in this case it also created a billion dollar industry and guess who's cashing in?

[Quagmire]

The question I have to ask of the more experienced webmasters who have been around for a while is this; do you avoid the sponsor with a site like that completely or just choose not to promote that specific site?

[[BV]]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

The question I have to ask of the more experienced webmasters who have been around for a while is this; do you avoid the sponsor with a site like that completely or just choose not to promote that specific site?

Sometimes you have to avoid the whole sponsor because sometimes it can be difficult to avoid promoting one of their sites even though you don't care to.

For example: It is very common for sponsors to post all of their sites on their join page for each site. Also in their consoles and other promotional materials may have references and or links advertising the specific site you did not want to promote.

In a case like that you would have to skip the whole sponsor.

If none of the above issues are a problem then I see no reason why you would skip a whole sponsor because they have one site that you do not want to promote. (as long as it is legal)

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

The question I have to ask of the more experienced webmasters who have been around for a while is this; do you avoid the sponsor with a site like that completely or just choose not to promote that specific site?

That's a question that has lead to much debate with no clear winner. You have to make your own choices on that one. Sites like this are created because many webmasters will promote them like crazy.

Personally I don't promote any sponsor that pretends to be taking advantage of women in any way. That includes sites where they pretend to trick the girl, get her drunk, offer her money or rape her in her sleep.

That being said, I have many close freinds that do support these types of sites and I don't give any thought to them doing it. I just make my own choices.

[SexySearch_Ron]

How many webmasters promote Max Hardcore stuff? that stuff is pretty extreme.

[Quagmire]

I try and limit my promotions based on my gut feeling. To me perfectgonzo's stuff is the upper edge of reasonable. I don't go for the painful sex stuff, I think its degrading. But on the flip side of that the reality sites that "pay" the women for sex is no different from prostitution (which i don't really have a moral issue with) or the fact that the rest of the models being filmed are getting paid, just not on camera.

Assault, simulated rape and abuse are definately out. There is nothing healthy about that. To me it steps beyond the consentual level of BDSM.

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

I try and limit my promotions based on my gut feeling. To me perfectgonzo's stuff is the upper edge of reasonable. I don't go for the painful sex stuff, I think its degrading. But on the flip side of that the reality sites that "pay" the women for sex is no different from prostitution (which i don't really have a moral issue with) or the fact that the rest of the models being filmed are getting paid, just not on camera.

Assault, simulated rape and abuse are definately out. There is nothing healthy about that. To me it steps beyond the consentual level of BDSM.

That pretty much mirrors my thoughts...so saved myself some typing...thanks Q

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

The question I have to ask of the more experienced webmasters who have been around for a while is this; do you avoid the sponsor with a site like that completely or just choose not to promote that specific site?

I would always do business with John. If you don't like a site, don't promote it.

[RawAlex]

I avoid sites I don't like... and for me they do to a certain extent count against the sponsor as a whole. I don't go out of my way to promote their other stuff. They shouldn't be encourages to do the other stuff.

Alex

[SlickRick]

Well people will blame others (Not just the stuff they see and or hear on the net.)

If you are somewhat old enough to remember news of the past.

people listening to "Heavey Metal" music and going out and shooting someone or attempting to kill themselves, from what they've heard in a song (A kid hearing in an Ozzy song killing himself and the parents of the kid blaming the Ozzy camp and going//went to court over it,) or something they've seen in a video game.

Car jacking (Or harming someone else) for fun is not a wise thing.

Not to downplay the seriousness of this. But people will always blame someone for something real stupid they've done, because they don't want to take the blame and or punishment for their actions. And thats a sad state of the future.




Something I read a while back and saved.
(I am sure this has been seen by many and still holds up and is pretty true, for anyone thats over the age of 26+ years old.)


TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED the 1930's 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's !!

First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes.

Then after that trauma, our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.

As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.

Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat.

We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.

We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soda pop with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!

We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.

No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms...WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.

We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!

This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!

The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
And YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS!

You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated our lives for our own good. And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave their parents were.

Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it?!

[tigermom]

The article places the focus on Bukkake which is odd. I promote Bukkake sites and I don't see it as being degrading or harmful to women in any way. Yes, it places the object of the Bukkake (be it man or woman) in a submissive position, but I don't see that as wrong. There's a HUGE difference to me as a woman and as a person between foced (non-consentual) and submissive.

I am not even sure that sites where the girl is portrayed as being tricked or paid money are very bad either. I mean, it's a sexual fantasy, a roleplay, and there's no implication of using physical force there. Some women can find these scenarios very appealing, for the very reason that the girl in the scene has the "excuse" to be sexually liberated, something still not that common for most of women. Would it be ok had someone been using these tactics for real? of course not! But this is make belief and I should hope most people have enough sense to know as much.