AEBN vs HotMovies

emmanuelle · 2007-03-17, 02:13 PM

This question is geared to those people who produce their own content, and are 'manufacturers' supplying AEBN and Hot Movies.

We've been working with AEBN in this capacity since they launched with satisfactory results. Would I be able to duplicate these results by sending titles in to Hot Movies as well? I guess I'm asking if anyone does well with them, or has any feedback (good or bad). They don't seem to have the affiliate presence that AEBN does, but they do seem to put forth a great deal of effort in direct-to-consumer marketing.

Ultimately, I'm sure that I have nothing to lose here, I'm just wondering how high of a priority I should be making this.

GonZo · 2007-03-17, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by emmanuelle

This question is geared to those people who produce their own content, and are 'manufacturers' supplying AEBN and Hot Movies.

We've been working with AEBN in this capacity since they launched with satisfactory results. Would I be able to duplicate these results by sending titles in to Hot Movies as well? I guess I'm asking if anyone does well with them, or has any feedback (good or bad). They don't seem to have the affiliate presence that AEBN does, but they do seem to put forth a great deal of effort in direct-to-consumer marketing.

Ultimately, I'm sure that I have nothing to lose here, I'm just wondering how high of a priority I should be making this.

As a producer Id put my videos in every VOD system out there.
Your right you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Servhot · 2007-03-18, 03:33 AM

I do not supply any of them as both have a bad payout. Before I give them my DVDs under these conditions, I better burn them in the stove. And specialy AEBN is not a company I would trust any more since the CEO has taken a lot of information and does a partnership with somebody else then for the market he got all the info for. Yes, I am pissed on them since many years

GonZo · 2007-03-18, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Servhot

I do not supply any of them as both have a bad payout. Before I give them my DVDs under these conditions, I better burn them in the stove. And specialy AEBN is not a company I would trust any more since the CEO has taken a lot of information and does a partnership with somebody else then for the market he got all the info for. Yes, I am pissed on them since many years

Id be interested in hearing more.

Jim · 2007-03-18, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Servhot

I do not supply any of them as both have a bad payout. Before I give them my DVDs under these conditions, I better burn them in the stove. And specialy AEBN is not a company I would trust any more since the CEO has taken a lot of information and does a partnership with somebody else then for the market he got all the info for. Yes, I am pissed on them since many years

Seriously, I have never heard anyone say anything bad about AEBN before.

Servhot · 2007-03-18, 10:12 AM

Well Jim, it's not a long story. I have talked to AEBN in their early days a lot and (forgot his name) talked a lot with the CEO how to get into the German Market. I have told him close to anything which you have to know to establish your business here within this market as you have to follow some rules etc and as I am in this biz since 94 I know a bit of it and some people either. It was also said that we will look how to work closer together when they will drop in, but then nothing happens and a few weeks or month later this "partner-ship" or job was done with somebody else. Without any word in upfront but with the background and some contacts. In my point of view, maybe not the gentle method to run a biz. Just my 2cents

GonZo · 2007-03-18, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Servhot

Well Jim, it's not a long story. I have talked to AEBN in their early days a lot and (forgot his name) talked a lot with the CEO how to get into the German Market. I have told him close to anything which you have to know to establish your business here within this market as you have to follow some rules etc and as I am in this biz since 94 I know a bit of it and some people either. It was also said that we will look how to work closer together when they will drop in, but then nothing happens and a few weeks or month later this "partner-ship" or job was done with somebody else. Without any word in upfront but with the background and some contacts. In my point of view, maybe not the gentle method to run a biz. Just my 2cents

Who are they partnered with instead of you?

James_HotMovies · 2007-03-19, 08:48 AM

We have many studios that are kicking themselves in the ass for not signing up sooner. We work hard, market hard, play hard

If you have any specific questions about Hotmovies let me know.

Servhot · 2007-03-19, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by James_HotMovies

We have many studios that are kicking themselves in the ass for not signing up sooner. We work hard, market hard, play hard

If you have any specific questions about Hotmovies let me know.

I know many, many studios kicking themself into the ass for having signed up as they have killed there DVD Shop sales with it

James_HotMovies · 2007-03-19, 08:56 AM

It's a natural progression. It's easier, faster, and has more selection then the video store.

If people don't find your titles on hotmovies they'll watch something else.

We never trap people into contracts, if they want to pull their titles, they can pull them.

Are you still upset that DVD sales are killing your VHS sales?

Servhot · 2007-03-19, 09:01 AM

Not at all it was a self made one. The main reason at the first time that dvd sales have dropped down for studios was, that the shop owners where getting pissed that the same video they sale for $39.95 at the shop was available at some sites for free or $2.95 and this was a self made problem

Servhot · 2007-03-19, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by James_HotMovies

We never trap people into contracts, ..?

20% was your payout, wasn't it?

Jim · 2007-03-19, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by James_HotMovies

It's a natural progression. It's easier, faster, and has more selection then the video store.

It is the natural progression. Netflix seems to have hurt the non-adult dvd market. And now, even they are offering movie viewing online. I saw the CEO of Netflix a few weeks ago say in the not too distant future, they will not be shipping any dvds at all.

Greenguy · 2007-03-19, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Servhot

Not at all it was a self made one. The main reason at the first time that dvd sales have dropped down for studios was, that the shop owners where getting pissed that the same video they sale for $39.95 at the shop was available at some sites for free or $2.95 and this was a self made problem

Don't you sell/license video content to these websites that have killed off DVD sales?

GonZo · 2007-03-19, 09:25 AM

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Don't you sell/license video content to these websites that have killed off DVD sales?

Just spammed Oprano with another post doing just that.
But I notice the partnership question wasnt answered.

Im sure free porn has killed the membership sites sales too.

James_HotMovies · 2007-03-19, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Servhot

20% was your payout, wasn't it?

20% for studios, 25% for webmasters.

You can be a studio and a webmaster.

We work hard to make sure it's worth it for the studios and webmasters.

James_HotMovies · 2007-03-19, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GonZo

Im sure free porn has killed the membership sites sales too.

Free porn hurts us all.
But as long as it's riddled with poor service, viruses, and crappy porn it expands the market and creates more customers for us as well.

To combat free porn we need to create better sites, offer more custom service, etc.

I like to think that's what we do at Hotmovies. Give people a superior product at a reasonable rate.
Tagging, saved for later, favorites, playlists, rankings, recomendations, etc. They all give the users reasons to keep recurring for years.

Servhot · 2007-03-19, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

Don't you sell/license video content to these websites that have killed off DVD sales?

Not really as we put new titles online for sales just after 12 months when the first back sales of the dvds are made

James_HotMovies · 2007-03-19, 09:42 AM

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Not really as we put new titles online for sales just after 12 months when the first back sales of the dvds are made

and why not do the same with VOD?

The short tail of the DVD is done, the long tail of VOD can start.

Name your studio your site name, expose the millions of customers we have to your brand.

Greenguy · 2007-03-19, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Servhot

Not really as we put new titles online for sales just after 12 months when the first back sales of the dvds are made

Does every other content company do the same? Or are you months behind the rest of them because of your feelings on this issue?

Greenguy · 2007-03-19, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by James_HotMovies

Free porn hurts us all.
But as long as it's riddled with poor service, viruses, and crappy porn it expands the market and creates more customers for us as well...

You're talking to a lot of people that make a living off using free porn to sell surfers on membership sites

And I think we can all name a couple of companies that run pay sites that have poor services, viruses & crappy porn

James_HotMovies · 2007-03-19, 09:54 AM

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You're talking to a lot of people that make a living off using free porn to sell surfers on membership sites

And I think we can all name a couple of companies that run pay sites that have poor services, viruses & crappy porn

You need to give people a taste. I don't mind the 20-30 second clips used in MGP's, or the photos in TGP's. Teasers are necessary.

I was thinking more of the bittorrent type of free porn. Where the studio makes nothing.

Servhot · 2007-03-19, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

Does every other content company do the same? Or are you months behind the rest of them because of your feelings on this issue?

Most of the so called "content Providers" are not out of the business and they do not have an idea about old fashioned sales. I just can name a handfull which do. But sure, it will be the way to go in the future, or better one way.

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20% for studios, 25% for webmasters.
You can be a studio and a webmaster.

and this is exactly the point. I do not care about running our own consumer site, as my job already takes 10h a day, and the mark to be a studio&webmaster is just blending the eyes. If you would offer 40% for the studios, that would be a start to talk about it.

Greenguy · 2007-03-19, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Servhot

Most of the so called "content Providers" are not out of the business and they do not have an idea about old fashioned sales. I just can name a handfull which do. But sure, it will be the way to go in the future, or better one way...

You lost me.

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...and this is exactly the point. I do not care about running our own consumer site, as my job already takes 10h a day, and the mark to be a studio&webmaster is just blending the eyes. If you would offer 40% for the studios, that would be a start to talk about it.

So your complaint is that you would not be making enough money off the streaming of movies that have made the sale of DVD's decline?

James_HotMovies · 2007-03-19, 10:16 AM

and this is exactly the point. I do not care about running our own consumer site, as my job already takes 10h a day, and the mark to be a studio&webmaster is just blending the eyes. If you would offer 40% for the studios, that would be a start to talk about it.[/quote]

How do you know that the 20% isn't worth it?

People get hung up on a number and forget the bottom line.

20% from a large company is worth 80% from a small company.

2007-03-17, 02:13 PM	#1
emmanuelle 0100011101100101011001010 1101011001000000100001101 1010000110100101100011 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,441	AEBN vs HotMovies This question is geared to those people who produce their own content, and are 'manufacturers' supplying AEBN and Hot Movies. We've been working with AEBN in this capacity since they launched with satisfactory results. Would I be able to duplicate these results by sending titles in to Hot Movies as well? I guess I'm asking if anyone does well with them, or has any feedback (good or bad). They don't seem to have the affiliate presence that AEBN does, but they do seem to put forth a great deal of effort in direct-to-consumer marketing. Ultimately, I'm sure that I have nothing to lose here, I'm just wondering how high of a priority I should be making this.

2007-03-18, 03:33 AM	#3
Servhot Kids are great, Appu. You can teach them to hate the things you hate and they practically raise themselves now-a-days, you know, with the internet and all Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 199	I do not supply any of them as both have a bad payout. Before I give them my DVDs under these conditions, I better burn them in the stove. And specialy AEBN is not a company I would trust any more since the CEO has taken a lot of information and does a partnership with somebody else then for the market he got all the info for. Yes, I am pissed on them since many years __________________ Zappu Adult Content Provider Last edited by Servhot; 2007-03-18 at 03:37 AM..

2007-03-18, 10:12 AM	#6
Servhot Kids are great, Appu. You can teach them to hate the things you hate and they practically raise themselves now-a-days, you know, with the internet and all Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 199	Well Jim, it's not a long story. I have talked to AEBN in their early days a lot and (forgot his name) talked a lot with the CEO how to get into the German Market. I have told him close to anything which you have to know to establish your business here within this market as you have to follow some rules etc and as I am in this biz since 94 I know a bit of it and some people either. It was also said that we will look how to work closer together when they will drop in, but then nothing happens and a few weeks or month later this "partner-ship" or job was done with somebody else. Without any word in upfront but with the background and some contacts. In my point of view, maybe not the gentle method to run a biz. Just my 2cents __________________ Zappu Adult Content Provider

2007-03-19, 09:01 AM	#11
Servhot Kids are great, Appu. You can teach them to hate the things you hate and they practically raise themselves now-a-days, you know, with the internet and all Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 199	Not at all it was a self made one. The main reason at the first time that dvd sales have dropped down for studios was, that the shop owners where getting pissed that the same video they sale for $39.95 at the shop was available at some sites for free or $2.95 and this was a self made problem __________________ Zappu Adult Content Provider

2007-03-19, 08:48 AM	#8
James_HotMovies Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 127	We have many studios that are kicking themselves in the ass for not signing up sooner. We work hard, market hard, play hard If you have any specific questions about Hotmovies let me know.

2007-03-19, 08:56 AM	#10
James_HotMovies Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 127	It's a natural progression. It's easier, faster, and has more selection then the video store. If people don't find your titles on hotmovies they'll watch something else. We never trap people into contracts, if they want to pull their titles, they can pull them. Are you still upset that DVD sales are killing your VHS sales?

2007-03-19, 10:16 AM	#25
James_HotMovies Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 127	and this is exactly the point. I do not care about running our own consumer site, as my job already takes 10h a day, and the mark to be a studio&webmaster is just blending the eyes. If you would offer 40% for the studios, that would be a start to talk about it.[/quote] How do you know that the 20% isn't worth it? People get hung up on a number and forget the bottom line. 20% from a large company is worth 80% from a small company.