This is just crazy

Jim · 2007-09-18, 12:01 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

I have read a few stories and it looks like the guy only asked uncomfortable questions. I guess he shouldn't have struggled but he shouldn't have been arrested in the first place.

SheepGuy · 2007-09-18, 01:34 PM

Damn thats some scary shit.All the guy was doing was talking when they started to haul him out. I wouldn't have went easy either.

virgohippy · 2007-09-18, 03:03 PM

I probably wouldn't have tried struggling against a handful of burly officers, but I sure as hell would have screamed my fucking head off.

What happened to ideals I was taught to feel proud of!?

Lemmy · 2007-09-18, 04:03 PM

Can anyone spell "land of the free"?

Had this been in the 60s I'm sure the other students would have jumped in to help the poor guy instead of fiddling with their laptops.

And had John Kerry been half the hero he claims to be he would have intervened and told the cops to back off.

SheepGuy · 2007-09-19, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemmy

Can anyone spell "land of the free"?

Had this been in the 60s I'm sure the other students would have jumped in to help the poor guy instead of fiddling with their laptops.

And had John Kerry been half the hero he claims to be he would have intervened and told the cops to back off.

I noticed that too, lots of people pretending they didn't see anything while the guy is getting zapped. I'd bet Kerry didn't answer his question either, and was likely given a round of applause at the end of his speech.

Lots of sheeple in the audience, and that has nothing to do with my nick.

Simon · 2007-09-19, 07:08 AM

I'm confused.

Is it "Don't Taze Me Bro" or "Don't Tase Me Bro"..?

(and yeah, Kerry's a weak asshole for not taking charge and stopping the officers...and the other students there acted like a bunch of wimps for not helping him.)

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jetpat · 2007-09-19, 07:51 AM

Saw it on the news last night and then again this morning on CNN. I just don't get it. All the guy did was ask some questions - God forbid we question "authority" - and then try to make his point while being forced from the microphone. Yes, he pushed back against the campus police, but I never saw him threaten them in any way. He was subdued and on the ground when that female officer who was behind him and not even being "fought" tazed/tased (I don't know Simon) him. I agree. Shame on Kerry for not fucking taking charge.

Lemmy · 2007-09-19, 08:25 AM

From Wikipedia:

"The name Taser is an acronym for "Thomas A. Swift's Electric Rifle"[5]. Arizona inventor Jack Cover designed it in 1969; naming it for the science fiction teenage inventor and adventurer character Tom Swift."

I think the guy was right to fight back. In fact I think it was his right. If we can't fight abusive authority when free speech is literally and physicaly being supressed, then when?

The gun nutnicks make a lot of noise about their constitutional right to bear arms, but few people give much thought to the reasoning behind that 'right'; to protect against a tyrannical government, which is exactly what is happening today in America.

We're turning into a fucking police state. Students are tasered for asking questions, people thrown out of political meetings for wearing the wrong t-shirt, pulled over and fined for having anti-Bush bumperstickers on their cars. The word "shit" is being cencored out on TV, people are going to jail for selling porn while assault rifles can be freely purchased, your phones and e-mails wiretapped by the CIA and NSA and the government condones torture and concentration camps.

The Jesus freaks and über-moralists are taking over the country and nobody seems to give a damn.

Simon · 2007-09-19, 08:52 AM

Quote:

From Wikipedia:

"The name Taser is an acronym for "Thomas A. Swift's Electric Rifle"[5]. Arizona inventor Jack Cover designed it in 1969; naming it for the science fiction teenage inventor and adventurer character Tom Swift."

Yep, I knew that part.

I just don't know which way to spell "tase/taze" since I've now seen both version of the t-shirts.

Don't Taze Me, Bro! and Don't Tase Me Bro! and Hello | "Don't tase me Bro"

By the way, I also ran across this new meme:

The Don’t Taze Me, Bro Meme
You have been tagged. You need to list five things you have done in your life that you think (not the cops) could have put you in a situation where you might have said “Don’t Taze Me, Bro”
Then tag five of your friends.

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Tekster · 2007-09-19, 09:25 AM

I hate to say this, but I grew up under communist rule and this is bringing back memories.

lorsha · 2007-09-19, 09:31 AM

Seems to me he was TRYING to get a vid on youtube ....

ArtWilliams · 2007-09-19, 12:31 PM

In a much as what the police were doing was wrong, you don't want to resist arrest. A smart protester just sits down and lets the authorities cuff them and drag them away. I am sure that he lost a few to his cause by his over the top antics.

tickler · 2007-09-19, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

I noticed that too, lots of people pretending they didn't see anything while the guy is getting zapped. I'd bet Kerry didn't answer his question either, and was likely given a round of applause at the end of his speech.

Lots of sheeple in the audience, and that has nothing to do with my nick.

Some clips show other students moving in but getting warned off by the cops.

Bobc01 · 2007-09-19, 02:26 PM

A bit extreme that, over here they're only allowed to tase someone if they're armed.
Then again, with all the trouble here in the UK there are plenty of assholes that deserve worse.
If you want a comparison of how dumb things are getting here too..

Arrested & jailed for revving his engine in a racist manner...

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/13/1347.asp

Jim · 2007-09-19, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobc01

A bit extreme that, over here they're only allowed to tase someone if they're armed.
Then again, with all the trouble here in the UK there are plenty of assholes that deserve worse.
If you want a comparison of how dumb things are getting here too..

Arrested & jailed for revving his engine in a racist manner...

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/13/1347.asp

How the hell does someone rev their engine in a racist manner?

Simon · 2007-09-19, 03:54 PM

I know what you mean Jim. Reminds me of some guys I knew back in high school days who used to get sent to detention all the time for "mental rape."

(I should add in their defense that they were looking at female students running around in their little catholic schoolgirl uniforms for christsakes.)

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Torn Rose · 2007-09-19, 04:41 PM

lol, I guess I see this from a different POV.

This video is edited to the point we do NOT see the whole story, the video makes it look like “out of the blue” the cops attacked which I think is total BS, there is no way a guy will go up, ask 2 questions and be arrested, (Unless of course this was Bush or Cheney) so there is more to this story then what this video shows.

Talking to my pal in Florida who is also a lawyer and he is telling me the news there is saying the dude is known as someone who always plays "pranks" and wants/needs attention (which I just saw on HLN as well) he supposedly cut in line, asked more questions then allowed, and this is all after the question session was over with but they still allowed him to ask his questions until he started asking more and more and was asked to leave and then that is where the security was asked to remove him.

From what I see in this video he was NOT being arrested at first, he was being escorted out, THEN he flayed his arms and tried to get away which will get you arrested every time.

And exactly what was Kerry to do? Not at all defending Kerry, but I think you all are giving him too much credit, he is in another state as a guest, what would happen if he said to the security “stop” and they didn’t stop? Who would look even weaker that campus cops won’t even listen to him? There is no politician out there who would have tried to stop this, Dem, GOP, or had they been where Kerry was, they would have done exactly the same thing.

IMHO, this guy got the attention he wanted so for him, this is win/win.

Bobc01 · 2007-09-19, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim

How the hell does someone rev their engine in a racist manner?

Confused everyone here too, it's just the way things have gone here to the point that if you even look at an asian in the wrong way, you can be arrested.

Everything has gone so politically correct, you daren't say anything to anyone for fear of offending.

I'm not sure about the US but whats destroyed this country is tree hugging dogooders that have lived sheltered, blinkered lives and believe everyone else should be the same as them.

Since the 10 years Blair was in power (who's wife is a tree hugging human rights lawyer) the crime rate has soared to extreme levels, a mass of immigrants who bring their religious wars and crime, and kids that run riot because they can get away with anything.

I'm glad i've kept my australian residency as when i get fed up with living in this now toilet of a country, i can move back over there and leave it all behind.

Torn Rose · 2007-09-19, 08:41 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/19/cnnu.tase/index.html

CNNU campus correspondent Eunic Ortiz is a senior at the University of Florida. Ortiz attended the Sen. John Kerry event where a student was Tasered by police. CNNU is a feature that provides student perspectives on news and trends from colleges across the United States. The views expressed in this article are not necessarily those of CNN, its affiliates or the schools where the campus correspondents are based.

GAINESVILLE, Florida (CNN) -- It has been 48 hours since college student Andrew Meyer was stunned with a Taser during a forum with Sen. John Kerry, and some students are still in shock over what happened.

University of Florida student Dayron Leon took this photo of Tuesday's student protest.

But other students at the University of Florida are already tired of hearing about it.

While about 350 students protested the incident Tuesday, the opinions on campus seem to be evenly divided over whether the officers acted properly.

On the popular online networking Web site Facebook.com, students from around the nation have already created more than 80 groups discussing what happened Monday. Even among those groups, the count is almost split between the number who oppose the police's action and those who support their decision.

"I was pretty horrified by what happened. I was shocked that the people we are supposed to trust would turn against us," said Vanessa Wood, a freshman who is majoring in psychology.

This is what I saw at the Kerry forum on Monday: Meyer, a 21-year-old telecommunications major, jumped up to the microphone already flanked by University Police.
He interrupted another student's question, and although Kerry had earlier said he was taking no more questions, he told Meyer he'd take his comments next. Kerry asked the police to allow Meyer to speak.
When it was his turn, Meyer first asked about the 2004 presidential election and followed with statements about whether President Bush should be impeached.

At that moment the microphone was turned off and police began to take Meyer out of the auditorium. Meyer then started to struggle with the officers.

As they pulled him toward the exit, Meyer broke free and tried to get away. At that point, six officers tackled Meyer to the ground and told him to roll over.

He continued to yell for help and a female officer warned Meyer if he did not stop he would be Tased. He kept yelling and one of the other officers gave the order to Tase him.

The audience remained seated and watching the confrontation until they heard the loud zap of the Taser. Then several people at the event started yelling at the officers.

"I was startled by the noise, considering what was happening in front of me. And after they Tasered him there was a stench that was not overpowering but it was unsettling," said Ben Omar, a University of Florida graduate student.

The videotape of Meyer screaming as he was shocked quickly got the attention of news services and became a YouTube hit.

Campus rumors now circulate that Meyer, known as being a prankster, was simply trying to be obnoxious and get attention at the Kerry speech.

Meyer spent a night in jail on charges of disturbing the peace and resisting an officer. Later, the school's president, Bernard Machen, said two police officers involved were placed on administrative leave.

Since the incident, Meyer has kept a low profile.

But other students haven't been so quiet, with Tuesday's rally protesting what the students' claimed was a case of police brutality and another rally being planned.

"I am glad that we are starting a civil discourse debate, because this is a subject that needs to be addressed," Omar said. E-mail to a friend

jennym · 2007-09-19, 11:45 PM

He also brought a camera to the event himself, gave it to someone else to tape his "experience" and posted the tape on his website. Sounds like he knew something was gonna happen....just like he wanted. His email address is famouswriterman AT aol.com....sounds like he wants to be famous....another wish granted. It isn't the first time he has made controversial videos of himself and posted them, and it certainly won't be the last. He is the definition of an attention whore. It all goes back to that whole "be careful what you ask for" thing.

asmo · 2007-09-20, 01:02 AM

I like how he asked the Skull & Bones question

SheepGuy · 2007-09-20, 02:22 AM

So the guy was a prankster, so he wanted to be famous, so it was an attention getting stunt, so what?

He didn't use violence, just words, and they were met with violence and a night in jail. Is that acceptable? What level of force is acceptable to preserve order? What level of force is acceptable to preserve free speech?

DangerDave · 2007-09-20, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

So the guy was a prankster, so he wanted to be famous, so it was an attention getting stunt, so what?

He didn't use violence, just words, and they were met with violence and a night in jail. Is that acceptable? What level of force is acceptable to preserve order? What level of force is acceptable to preserve free speech?

Exactly... the violence used was simply unjustified.. Turn the mic off and walk away and the "prankster" has no attention... and it's all over..

If that sort of violent response is condoned or promoted it points to a very sad state of affairs..

DD

jennym · 2007-09-20, 07:12 AM

So when he is disruptive and asked to leave and doesn't do so, he should be ignored?? Oh please

He certainly did become "violent" first. Cops were attempting to remove him after he refused to leave when told. He began flailing his arms, swinging at cops, and trying to physically remove himself from their grasp while yelling "get away from me". The cops should not HAVE to fight some idiot because he can't follow simple directions. He was warned, continued to struggle, then was tazered. Not a huge deal, he is FINE!!! People get tazered voluntarily all the time, and cops are made to do it as part of training. It hurts for a second, but then you get over it.

Had they ignored him and pissed him off and he shot 50 people everyone would complain then too.
"They saw he was loony...why not try to escort him out"
"They saw he was combative...why not tazer him and get the situation under control"
< insert a million more similar complaints here >

The guy got the attention he wanted (which he wouldn't have gotten had he been ignored) he got a little shock....is completely fine, big deal.

jetpat · 2007-09-20, 07:44 AM

"A little shock"?? I'd hardly call 50,000 volts interrupting all the neuro-pathways of ones body "a little shock". If you've ever gotten a zap while working at home, this would be around a thousand times worse. Have you been tazed before jennym, because I went through it in training for an Executive Protection class. It doesn't hurt for just a second and you don't simply "get over it". From what I remember, it hurt like hell initially and then I hurt for a couple hours after. I looked at the vid again, and when the kid was on the ground there were like 5 officers on his back and he was subdued. THEN the order was given to zap him. Yeah, the kid was doing something for his website. Yeah, he was trying to get attention. So are the people marching down in Louisiana today. Hopefully, a little more restraint is shown there...even if you don't agree with their reasons to protest (which I don't).

2007-09-18, 12:01 PM	#1
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	This is just crazy http://youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE I have read a few stories and it looks like the guy only asked uncomfortable questions. I guess he shouldn't have struggled but he shouldn't have been arrested in the first place.

2007-09-18, 01:34 PM	#2
SheepGuy It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,527	Damn thats some scary shit.All the guy was doing was talking when they started to haul him out. I wouldn't have went easy either. __________________ If the Environment was a bank, they would have saved it by now.

2007-09-18, 03:03 PM	#3
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	I probably wouldn't have tried struggling against a handful of burly officers, but I sure as hell would have screamed my fucking head off. What happened to ideals I was taught to feel proud of!? __________________ ~Warm and Fuzzy.

2007-09-18, 04:03 PM	#4
Lemmy You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Next door to a kid with a moped. Posts: 1,492	Can anyone spell "land of the free"? Had this been in the 60s I'm sure the other students would have jumped in to help the poor guy instead of fiddling with their laptops. And had John Kerry been half the hero he claims to be he would have intervened and told the cops to back off. __________________ BUY MY PORNSITES!

2007-09-19, 07:08 AM	#6
Simon That which does not kill us, will try, try again. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Conch Republic Posts: 5,150	I'm confused. Is it "Don't Taze Me Bro" or "Don't Tase Me Bro"..? (and yeah, Kerry's a weak asshole for not taking charge and stopping the officers...and the other students there acted like a bunch of wimps for not helping him.) . __________________ "If you're happy and you know it, think again." -- Guru Pitka

2007-09-19, 07:51 AM	#7
jetpat Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Saratoga, NY Posts: 109	Saw it on the news last night and then again this morning on CNN. I just don't get it. All the guy did was ask some questions - God forbid we question "authority" - and then try to make his point while being forced from the microphone. Yes, he pushed back against the campus police, but I never saw him threaten them in any way. He was subdued and on the ground when that female officer who was behind him and not even being "fought" tazed/tased (I don't know Simon) him. I agree. Shame on Kerry for not fucking taking charge. __________________ Earn $5,000,000 just by clicking my sig!

2007-09-19, 08:25 AM	#8
Lemmy You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Next door to a kid with a moped. Posts: 1,492	From Wikipedia: "The name Taser is an acronym for "Thomas A. Swift's Electric Rifle"[5]. Arizona inventor Jack Cover designed it in 1969; naming it for the science fiction teenage inventor and adventurer character Tom Swift." I think the guy was right to fight back. In fact I think it was his right. If we can't fight abusive authority when free speech is literally and physicaly being supressed, then when? The gun nutnicks make a lot of noise about their constitutional right to bear arms, but few people give much thought to the reasoning behind that 'right'; to protect against a tyrannical government, which is exactly what is happening today in America. We're turning into a fucking police state. Students are tasered for asking questions, people thrown out of political meetings for wearing the wrong t-shirt, pulled over and fined for having anti-Bush bumperstickers on their cars. The word "shit" is being cencored out on TV, people are going to jail for selling porn while assault rifles can be freely purchased, your phones and e-mails wiretapped by the CIA and NSA and the government condones torture and concentration camps. The Jesus freaks and über-moralists are taking over the country and nobody seems to give a damn. __________________ BUY MY PORNSITES! Last edited by Lemmy; 2007-09-19 at 08:28 AM.. Reason: Adjusted punctuation.

2007-09-19, 09:25 AM	#10
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2007-09-19, 09:31 AM	#11
lorsha So much sperm ... So little time! Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,433	Seems to me he was TRYING to get a vid on youtube .... __________________ Sexy-Milf-Money

2007-09-19, 12:31 PM	#12
ArtWilliams You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 6,244	In a much as what the police were doing was wrong, you don't want to resist arrest. A smart protester just sits down and lets the authorities cuff them and drag them away. I am sure that he lost a few to his cause by his over the top antics.

2007-09-19, 02:26 PM	#14
Bobc01 Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hell Posts: 817	A bit extreme that, over here they're only allowed to tase someone if they're armed. Then again, with all the trouble here in the UK there are plenty of assholes that deserve worse. If you want a comparison of how dumb things are getting here too.. Arrested & jailed for revving his engine in a racist manner... http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/13/1347.asp

2007-09-19, 03:54 PM	#16
Simon That which does not kill us, will try, try again. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Conch Republic Posts: 5,150	I know what you mean Jim. Reminds me of some guys I knew back in high school days who used to get sent to detention all the time for "mental rape." (I should add in their defense that they were looking at female students running around in their little catholic schoolgirl uniforms for christsakes.) . __________________ "If you're happy and you know it, think again." -- Guru Pitka

2007-09-19, 04:41 PM	#17
Torn Rose "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." ~ Mark Twain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4,806	lol, I guess I see this from a different POV. This video is edited to the point we do NOT see the whole story, the video makes it look like “out of the blue” the cops attacked which I think is total BS, there is no way a guy will go up, ask 2 questions and be arrested, (Unless of course this was Bush or Cheney) so there is more to this story then what this video shows. Talking to my pal in Florida who is also a lawyer and he is telling me the news there is saying the dude is known as someone who always plays "pranks" and wants/needs attention (which I just saw on HLN as well) he supposedly cut in line, asked more questions then allowed, and this is all after the question session was over with but they still allowed him to ask his questions until he started asking more and more and was asked to leave and then that is where the security was asked to remove him. From what I see in this video he was NOT being arrested at first, he was being escorted out, THEN he flayed his arms and tried to get away which will get you arrested every time. And exactly what was Kerry to do? Not at all defending Kerry, but I think you all are giving him too much credit, he is in another state as a guest, what would happen if he said to the security “stop” and they didn’t stop? Who would look even weaker that campus cops won’t even listen to him? There is no politician out there who would have tried to stop this, Dem, GOP, or had they been where Kerry was, they would have done exactly the same thing. IMHO, this guy got the attention he wanted so for him, this is win/win.

2007-09-19, 08:41 PM	#19
Torn Rose "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." ~ Mark Twain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4,806	http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/19/cnnu.tase/index.html CNNU campus correspondent Eunic Ortiz is a senior at the University of Florida. Ortiz attended the Sen. John Kerry event where a student was Tasered by police. CNNU is a feature that provides student perspectives on news and trends from colleges across the United States. The views expressed in this article are not necessarily those of CNN, its affiliates or the schools where the campus correspondents are based. GAINESVILLE, Florida (CNN) -- It has been 48 hours since college student Andrew Meyer was stunned with a Taser during a forum with Sen. John Kerry, and some students are still in shock over what happened. University of Florida student Dayron Leon took this photo of Tuesday's student protest. But other students at the University of Florida are already tired of hearing about it. While about 350 students protested the incident Tuesday, the opinions on campus seem to be evenly divided over whether the officers acted properly. On the popular online networking Web site Facebook.com, students from around the nation have already created more than 80 groups discussing what happened Monday. Even among those groups, the count is almost split between the number who oppose the police's action and those who support their decision. "I was pretty horrified by what happened. I was shocked that the people we are supposed to trust would turn against us," said Vanessa Wood, a freshman who is majoring in psychology. *This is what I saw at the Kerry forum on Monday: Meyer, a 21-year-old telecommunications major, jumped up to the microphone already flanked by University Police.* He interrupted another student's question, and although Kerry had earlier said he was taking no more questions, he told Meyer he'd take his comments next. Kerry asked the police to allow Meyer to speak. When it was his turn, Meyer first asked about the 2004 presidential election and followed with statements about whether President Bush should be impeached. At that moment the microphone was turned off and police began to take Meyer out of the auditorium. Meyer then started to struggle with the officers. As they pulled him toward the exit, Meyer broke free and tried to get away. At that point, six officers tackled Meyer to the ground and told him to roll over. He continued to yell for help and a female officer warned Meyer if he did not stop he would be Tased. He kept yelling and one of the other officers gave the order to Tase him. The audience remained seated and watching the confrontation until they heard the loud zap of the Taser. Then several people at the event started yelling at the officers. "I was startled by the noise, considering what was happening in front of me. And after they Tasered him there was a stench that was not overpowering but it was unsettling," said Ben Omar, a University of Florida graduate student. The videotape of Meyer screaming as he was shocked quickly got the attention of news services and became a YouTube hit. *Campus rumors now circulate that Meyer, known as being a prankster, was simply trying to be obnoxious and get attention at the Kerry speech.* Meyer spent a night in jail on charges of disturbing the peace and resisting an officer. Later, the school's president, Bernard Machen, said two police officers involved were placed on administrative leave. Since the incident, Meyer has kept a low profile. But other students haven't been so quiet, with Tuesday's rally protesting what the students' claimed was a case of police brutality and another rally being planned. "I am glad that we are starting a civil discourse debate, because this is a subject that needs to be addressed," Omar said. E-mail to a friend

2007-09-19, 11:45 PM	#20
jennym You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: the south Posts: 529	He also brought a camera to the event himself, gave it to someone else to tape his "experience" and posted the tape on his website. Sounds like he knew something was gonna happen....just like he wanted. His email address is famouswriterman AT aol.com....sounds like he wants to be famous....another wish granted. It isn't the first time he has made controversial videos of himself and posted them, and it certainly won't be the last. He is the definition of an attention whore. It all goes back to that whole "be careful what you ask for" thing. Last edited by jennym; 2007-09-19 at 11:47 PM..

2007-09-20, 01:02 AM	#21
asmo Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 9	I like how he asked the Skull & Bones question

2007-09-20, 02:22 AM	#22
SheepGuy It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,527	So the guy was a prankster, so he wanted to be famous, so it was an attention getting stunt, so what? He didn't use violence, just words, and they were met with violence and a night in jail. Is that acceptable? What level of force is acceptable to preserve order? What level of force is acceptable to preserve free speech? __________________ If the Environment was a bank, they would have saved it by now.

2007-09-20, 07:12 AM	#24
jennym You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: the south Posts: 529	So when he is disruptive and asked to leave and doesn't do so, he should be ignored?? Oh please He certainly did become "violent" first. Cops were attempting to remove him after he refused to leave when told. He began flailing his arms, swinging at cops, and trying to physically remove himself from their grasp while yelling "get away from me". The cops should not HAVE to fight some idiot because he can't follow simple directions. He was warned, continued to struggle, then was tazered. Not a huge deal, he is FINE!!! People get tazered voluntarily all the time, and cops are made to do it as part of training. It hurts for a second, but then you get over it. Had they ignored him and pissed him off and he shot 50 people everyone would complain then too. "They saw he was loony...why not try to escort him out" "They saw he was combative...why not tazer him and get the situation under control" < insert a million more similar complaints here > The guy got the attention he wanted (which he wouldn't have gotten had he been ignored) he got a little shock....is completely fine, big deal.

2007-09-20, 07:44 AM	#25
jetpat Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Saratoga, NY Posts: 109	"A little shock"?? I'd hardly call 50,000 volts interrupting all the neuro-pathways of ones body "a little shock". If you've ever gotten a zap while working at home, this would be around a thousand times worse. Have you been tazed before jennym, because I went through it in training for an Executive Protection class. It doesn't hurt for just a second and you don't simply "get over it". From what I remember, it hurt like hell initially and then I hurt for a couple hours after. I looked at the vid again, and when the kid was on the ground there were like 5 officers on his back and he was subdued. THEN the order was given to zap him. Yeah, the kid was doing something for his website. Yeah, he was trying to get attention. So are the people marching down in Louisiana today. Hopefully, a little more restraint is shown there...even if you don't agree with their reasons to protest (which I don't). __________________ Earn $5,000,000 just by clicking my sig!