Met-Art Safe or Stay Away ?

Emperor · 2005-07-05, 11:57 AM

Hi guys,

Do you think these guys are safe to promote or should I just stay away ?

www.met-art.com
www.galitsin-cash.com

I'm not saying it's CP, and they do use CCBill, but I get a bad feeling when I look at the FHGs.

Thanks.

Torn Rose · 2005-07-05, 11:59 AM

if you have to ask what do you think is the answer?

Tommy · 2005-07-05, 12:10 PM

why dont you email them and ask

and then come back here and tell us what they say
I wanna sign up for that

Ill tell you what..... if you wanna take care of that I will sign up under your code

Alphawolf · 2005-07-05, 12:15 PM

Do you think they are concerned about US Law...

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Cleo · 2005-07-05, 12:22 PM

Their stuff has always concerned me. Not sating that there is anything wrong with it, but it is content that makes me wonder about their ages.

It is very nice looking well done stuff.

RawAlex · 2005-07-05, 12:31 PM

They claim to be 2257 exempt (no sexual material) but I was able to find girls kissing and suggestions of mutual masturbation on the tour itself.

I have never been comfortable with this site.

Alex

emmanuelle · 2005-07-05, 12:36 PM

beautiful photos that probably fall under the definition of 'art'

like much kp does these days- creepy

doublep · 2005-07-05, 02:24 PM

This stuff is pretty much like the Peter Hegre (Danish Photographer) stuff. Legal and above board as far as I can see.

edit for typo..

Mr. Blue · 2005-07-05, 04:56 PM

I've never promoted them, but when I get galleries submitted to me...I pause a moment wondering if I should accept it or not...the actual photography is amazing and extreme high-quality...but at times the models of galitsin look a shade young.

doublep · 2005-07-05, 05:07 PM

Me niether... post a couple URL's if you have any so we can take a look.
would you say they looked younger than these? http://www.teensforcash.com/

Cheers!

Mr. Blue · 2005-07-05, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doublep

would you say they looked younger than these? http://www.teensforcash.com/

Cheers!

Teensforcash the girls look 18 at least...there's another sponsor though that I've just been turning down the galleries because the teen just looks too friggin' young. She's 18, but they make her look like a 12 year old and it kinda creeps me out. I won't post the name of the site or sponsor, as I don't want people bitching at me

I still find it disturbing when sponsors try to create the illusion of underaged models.

RawAlex · 2005-07-05, 05:47 PM

You cruise around the Metart tour, you will see girls that are questionable. Because they are not providing 2257 info (they claim not to need it) they are in my mind in doubt.

doublep · 2005-07-05, 05:51 PM

Mmmm seems I had Galitsin listed in one of my link sites - but it was being redircted to The Hegre Archives... strange this does too - take a look - http://www.galitsin-archives.com/

This is the program for Hegre - http://www.newnudecash.com/sites.html - worth a look

Must be some bad blood between those 2 down the line - still, I never flagged Galitsin as dodgy.

spookyx · 2005-07-05, 07:35 PM

Tommy,

You have a PM

MeatPounder · 2005-07-05, 07:50 PM

There are definate nude photos on Met-Art of children as young as 4-5...many in the early stages of puberty, and dozens of sets of YOUNG teenagers...14 to 16 yrs olds.
Very Artistically done, and beautiful photographs...but still definately nude children.

I wouldn't touch met art no matter the fantastic images.

Falls near the same category as nudist sites with naked children frolicking around...perhaps legal but rather touchy to promote as we are in the adult porn business.

Theproofhouse · 2005-07-05, 08:29 PM

All look 18 to me.

madleinx · 2005-07-05, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatPounder

There are definate nude photos on Met-Art of children as young as 4-5...many in the early stages of puberty, and dozens of sets of YOUNG teenagers...14 to 16 yrs olds.
Very Artistically done, and beautiful photographs...but still definately nude children.

I wouldn't touch met art no matter the fantastic images.

Falls near the same category as nudist sites with naked children frolicking around...perhaps legal but rather touchy to promote as we are in the adult porn business.

Oh shit! Are you sure?? I signed up with them not long ago - only made one site for them so far, in fact....Their 2257 statement claims that all models are over 18 and their lawyer is Jeffrey Douglas (the guy working with FSC on the court challenge)....But this is the second time I've heard something about this within 24 hours.

Okay, let's see how fast they respond to emails.....

madleinx · 2005-07-06, 12:24 AM

Apparently, they answer email very quickly

According to MET and their attorney, every single model on their site was 18 or older when photographed. And they went into great detail of the steps they take to ensure it. Anyway, I feel a lot better now and can comfortably promote them. If anybody needs a copy of the email for their own peace of mind, just PM me.

MeatPounder · 2005-07-06, 01:44 AM

Well
Go in the site and look at the work of one of their most prolific photographers Jacques Bourboulon There are several sets there from his early days including nudes of Eva Ionesco when she was 14.
A short bio of him is below, but even more interesting is this interview with another of met Arts main photographers
http://www.michelle7.com/interviews/...rd_murrian.htm

That isn't even counting the fact they feature David Hamiltons work who is infamous for his huge portfolio of erotic photos of teens and preteens

Again..perhaps legal, most definately in much of Europe where it is common to see naked children under 18 in mainstream films in sexual situations, but in my opinion a dangerous risk for a US adult webmaster in todays climate.

As far as their disclaimer that all their models are over 18 at the time of the shoot...I really do not trust that claim when immediately after the disclaimer they continue that they are exempt from keeping any records proving the girls are of age.

__________________________________________________________________
Jacques Bourboulon (born December 8, 1946) is a French photographer, specialized in nude photography of very young girls. He started as a fashion photographer, but switched to nude photography in the mid seventies. The summit of his career was in the late seventies and early eighties. Image File history File links Cover scan from the book Photographier le nu par Jacques Bourboulon, personal scan, claiming fair use (does not detract from original work, scanned from legal copy, image is of sufficiently low resolution). ... Image File history File links Cover scan from the book Photographier le nu par Jacques Bourboulon, personal scan, claiming fair use (does not detract from original work, scanned from legal copy, image is of sufficiently low resolution). ... 1996 is a leap year starting on Monday of the Gregorian calendar, and was designated the International Year for the Eradication of Poverty. ... December 8 is the 342nd day (343rd in leap years) of the year in the Gregorian calendar. ... 1946 was a common year starting on Tuesday. ...

Contrary to David Hamilton, who photographed the same subject, his pictures focus on bright light and sharp contrasts. His most typical pictures were shot on the Spanish island of Ibiza, playing on the juxtaposition of blue sky, white walls and sun-tanned skin. His pictures also include fetishist details, such as white socks or underwear, and oiled up bodies. The models often take very similar poses, leading to repetitivity. David Hamilton (born April 15, 1933) is a photographer from Britain. ... Eivissa, Cala de sa Galera, with the Puig Nunó in the background Eivissa or Ibiza is one of the Balearic Islands located in the Mediterranean Sea, and belonging to Spain. ... A model of Scentual Sun demonstrates the differences between clear skin and a sun tan. ... Sexual fetishism, first described as such by Sigmund Freud though the concept and certainly the activity is quite ancient, is a form of paraphilia where the object of affection is a specific inanimate object or part of a persons body. ...

The most famous model of Jacques Bourboulon has been French actress Eva Ionesco. Bourboulon is also known for always working with a Pentax. Eva Ionesco (born on July 18, 1965) is a French actress, born in Paris, France. ... PENTAX Corp. ...

Jacques Bourboulon is very representative of a time when the image of nude young girls was much more acceptable than today. Bourboulon was in no way an underground photograph, and his pictures were widely distributed in books or displayed in mainstream magazines such as Photo. Due to growing concerns over child pornography and abuse, this could no longer be the case at the beginning of the 21st century. Mainstream is, generally, the common current of thought. ... A photograph (often just called a photo) is an image (or a representation of that on e. ... The term child pornography (sometimes referred to as kiddie porn) generally refers to pornography featuring a child; however, the precise definition of pornography and child varies by region and country. ... Child abuse is the physical or psychological mistreatment of a child by his or her parents (including adoptive parents), guardians, or other adults. ...

The result is that Jacques Bourboulon is no longer mainstream but that his pictures and books are actively traded among amateurs on the web.

__________________________________________________________________

Prawnie · 2005-07-06, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Murrian from article

A beautiful girl at 18 is not a separate thing from a beautiful girl at 15. They are one in the same - from adolescence to somewhere around age 20, she is a very special being that is really neither just "girl" nor "woman". She is something in transition, a transition filled with a powerful, unique beauty and eroticism. And that continuum bridges the child she was to the woman she will be. It begins well before 18, and ends well after it. "18" cannot be considered the end of, or the start of anything in terms of human development. This is why my work covers this entire spectrum. Some of my models might be 16. Some others might be 21. It's about documenting the continuum between them. A beautiful girl at 18 is not a separate thing from a beautiful girl at 15. They are one in the same - from adolescence to somewhere around age 20, she is a very special being that is really neither just "girl" nor "woman". She is something in transition, a transition filled with a powerful, unique beauty and eroticism. And that continuum bridges the child she was to the woman she will be. It begins well before 18, and ends well after it. "18" cannot be considered the end of, or the start of anything in terms of human development. This is why my work covers this entire spectrum. Some of my models might be 16. Some others might be 21. It's about documenting the continuum between them.

Thats an interesting way of looking at it

I can't comment on what these sites have or have not got inside as I havent looked, but if they alledgedly associate themselves with photographers who exploit the trust of a minor, surely that is guilty by association.
I live in Europe and I can put my hand on my heart and say, any picture of a naked child whether she is 5 or 15 would turn my stomach.
Yes, there may not be much difference between a 15 year old and an 18 year old physically, but mentally and emotionally, they are a world apart. I dont care if it is legal in some countries

Lunatic · 2005-07-06, 03:53 PM

Some major sponsors make a point of using models that appear under age. I remember seeing a gallery of one well known model from a well known sponsor in her first photo shoots that I thought didn't look a day over 16. It was taken at home with her in a bunk bed too Who sleeps in a bunkbed after 18?

It's all part of the "teen" thing. Met Art has been around for awhile and is promoted by alot of respected webmasters.

Emperor · 2005-07-06, 10:16 PM

Well guys,

I did some research and this is all I have to say:

Don't advertise that mother fucker !

Emperor

Lunatic · 2005-07-06, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor

Well guys,

I did some research and this is all I have to say:

Don't advertise that mother fucker !

Emperor

Okay, we won't.

amber438 · 2005-07-07, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor

Well guys,

I did some research and this is all I have to say:

Don't advertise that mother fucker !

Emperor

Well how about expounding on that?
What did your research come up with?

emmanuelle · 2005-07-07, 03:58 PM

Yes, these girls, and little april etc may technically be 18, but we all know damn well that they are chosen because they appear much younger. Ask yourself who exactly is this intended to cater to, and do you want to be a part of it?

2005-07-05, 11:57 AM	#1
Emperor WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 46	Met-Art Safe or Stay Away ? Hi guys, Do you think these guys are safe to promote or should I just stay away ? www.met-art.com www.galitsin-cash.com I'm not saying it's CP, and they do use CCBill, but I get a bad feeling when I look at the FHGs. Thanks.

2005-07-05, 12:10 PM	#3
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	why dont you email them and ask and then come back here and tell us what they say I wanna sign up for that Ill tell you what..... if you wanna take care of that I will sign up under your code __________________ Accepting New partners

2005-07-05, 12:15 PM	#4
Alphawolf Don't come to Florida for vacation. We're closed. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,874	Do you think they are concerned about US Law... Organization: Grigori Galitsyn Grigori Galitsyn Lenina prospect, 29-75 Volgograd, RU 40006 RU Phone: +7-903-3742400 Email: Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source Registrar Name....: Register.com Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com Domain Name: GALITSIN-CASH.COM Created on..............: Wed, Nov 17, 2004 Expires on..............: Sat, Nov 17, 2007 Record last updated on..: Thu, Jun 30, 2005 Administrative Contact: Grigori Galitsyn Grigori Galitsyn Lenina prospect, 29-75 Volgograd, RU 40006 RU Phone: +7-903-3742400 Email: Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source __________________ Regards, AW Weekly Pay. Sites That Convert. Start Pimpin' Today!

2005-07-05, 12:22 PM	#5
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Their stuff has always concerned me. Not sating that there is anything wrong with it, but it is content that makes me wonder about their ages. It is very nice looking well done stuff. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2005-07-05, 04:56 PM	#9
Mr. Blue Searching for Jimmy Hoffa Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 771	I've never promoted them, but when I get galleries submitted to me...I pause a moment wondering if I should accept it or not...the actual photography is amazing and extreme high-quality...but at times the models of galitsin look a shade young. __________________ 69Blue.com ICQ #223487665

2005-07-05, 11:59 AM	#2
Torn Rose "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." ~ Mark Twain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4,806	if you have to ask what do you think is the answer?

2005-07-05, 12:31 PM	#6
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	They claim to be 2257 exempt (no sexual material) but I was able to find girls kissing and suggestions of mutual masturbation on the tour itself. I have never been comfortable with this site. Alex

2005-07-05, 12:36 PM	#7
emmanuelle 0100011101100101011001010 1101011001000000100001101 1010000110100101100011 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,441	beautiful photos that probably fall under the definition of 'art' like much kp does these days- creepy

2005-07-05, 02:24 PM	#8
doublep If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Europe Posts: 306	This stuff is pretty much like the Peter Hegre (Danish Photographer) stuff. Legal and above board as far as I can see. edit for typo..

2005-07-05, 05:07 PM	#10
doublep If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Europe Posts: 306	Me niether... post a couple URL's if you have any so we can take a look. would you say they looked younger than these? http://www.teensforcash.com/ Cheers!

2005-07-05, 05:47 PM	#12
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	You cruise around the Metart tour, you will see girls that are questionable. Because they are not providing 2257 info (they claim not to need it) they are in my mind in doubt.

2005-07-05, 05:51 PM	#13
doublep If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Europe Posts: 306	Mmmm seems I had Galitsin listed in one of my link sites - but it was being redircted to The Hegre Archives... strange this does too - take a look - http://www.galitsin-archives.com/ This is the program for Hegre - http://www.newnudecash.com/sites.html - worth a look Must be some bad blood between those 2 down the line - still, I never flagged Galitsin as dodgy.

2005-07-05, 07:35 PM	#14
spookyx Kodak Ghosts Run Amok Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hobbs End Posts: 1,718	Tommy, You have a PM

2005-07-05, 07:50 PM	#15
MeatPounder Women might be able to fake orgasms But men can fake whole relationships Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl Posts: 2,408	There are definate nude photos on Met-Art of children as young as 4-5...many in the early stages of puberty, and dozens of sets of YOUNG teenagers...14 to 16 yrs olds. Very Artistically done, and beautiful photographs...but still definately nude children. I wouldn't touch met art no matter the fantastic images. Falls near the same category as nudist sites with naked children frolicking around...perhaps legal but rather touchy to promote as we are in the adult porn business.

2005-07-05, 08:29 PM	#16
Theproofhouse Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106	All look 18 to me.

2005-07-06, 12:24 AM	#18
madleinx Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Big Easy, or Disneyland for Grown-Ups Posts: 120	Apparently, they answer email very quickly According to MET and their attorney, every single model on their site was 18 or older when photographed. And they went into great detail of the steps they take to ensure it. Anyway, I feel a lot better now and can comfortably promote them. If anybody needs a copy of the email for their own peace of mind, just PM me. __________________ <A HREF="http://apps.ClickCash.com/cgi/cc_refer.exe?acct=JUSTMARIE" target="_top">$40 PPS and up on FREE signups! All niches and tons of promo content!</A>

2005-07-06, 01:44 AM	#19
MeatPounder Women might be able to fake orgasms But men can fake whole relationships Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl Posts: 2,408	Well Go in the site and look at the work of one of their most prolific photographers Jacques Bourboulon There are several sets there from his early days including nudes of Eva Ionesco when she was 14. A short bio of him is below, but even more interesting is this interview with another of met Arts main photographers http://www.michelle7.com/interviews/...rd_murrian.htm That isn't even counting the fact they feature David Hamiltons work who is infamous for his huge portfolio of erotic photos of teens and preteens Again..perhaps legal, most definately in much of Europe where it is common to see naked children under 18 in mainstream films in sexual situations, but in my opinion a dangerous risk for a US adult webmaster in todays climate. As far as their disclaimer that all their models are over 18 at the time of the shoot...I really do not trust that claim when immediately after the disclaimer they continue that they are exempt from keeping any records proving the girls are of age. __________________________________________________________________ Jacques Bourboulon (born December 8, 1946) is a French photographer, specialized in nude photography of very young girls. He started as a fashion photographer, but switched to nude photography in the mid seventies. The summit of his career was in the late seventies and early eighties. Image File history File links Cover scan from the book Photographier le nu par Jacques Bourboulon, personal scan, claiming fair use (does not detract from original work, scanned from legal copy, image is of sufficiently low resolution). ... Image File history File links Cover scan from the book Photographier le nu par Jacques Bourboulon, personal scan, claiming fair use (does not detract from original work, scanned from legal copy, image is of sufficiently low resolution). ... 1996 is a leap year starting on Monday of the Gregorian calendar, and was designated the International Year for the Eradication of Poverty. ... December 8 is the 342nd day (343rd in leap years) of the year in the Gregorian calendar. ... 1946 was a common year starting on Tuesday. ... Contrary to David Hamilton, who photographed the same subject, his pictures focus on bright light and sharp contrasts. His most typical pictures were shot on the Spanish island of Ibiza, playing on the juxtaposition of blue sky, white walls and sun-tanned skin. His pictures also include fetishist details, such as white socks or underwear, and oiled up bodies. The models often take very similar poses, leading to repetitivity. David Hamilton (born April 15, 1933) is a photographer from Britain. ... Eivissa, Cala de sa Galera, with the Puig Nunó in the background Eivissa or Ibiza is one of the Balearic Islands located in the Mediterranean Sea, and belonging to Spain. ... A model of Scentual Sun demonstrates the differences between clear skin and a sun tan. ... Sexual fetishism, first described as such by Sigmund Freud though the concept and certainly the activity is quite ancient, is a form of paraphilia where the object of affection is a specific inanimate object or part of a persons body. ... The most famous model of Jacques Bourboulon has been French actress Eva Ionesco. Bourboulon is also known for always working with a Pentax. Eva Ionesco (born on July 18, 1965) is a French actress, born in Paris, France. ... PENTAX Corp. ... Jacques Bourboulon is very representative of a time when the image of nude young girls was much more acceptable than today. Bourboulon was in no way an underground photograph, and his pictures were widely distributed in books or displayed in mainstream magazines such as Photo. Due to growing concerns over child pornography and abuse, this could no longer be the case at the beginning of the 21st century. Mainstream is, generally, the common current of thought. ... A photograph (often just called a photo) is an image (or a representation of that on e. ... The term child pornography (sometimes referred to as kiddie porn) generally refers to pornography featuring a child; however, the precise definition of pornography and child varies by region and country. ... Child abuse is the physical or psychological mistreatment of a child by his or her parents (including adoptive parents), guardians, or other adults. ... The result is that Jacques Bourboulon is no longer mainstream but that his pictures and books are actively traded among amateurs on the web. __________________________________________________________________

2005-07-06, 03:53 PM	#21
Lunatic Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 200	Some major sponsors make a point of using models that appear under age. I remember seeing a gallery of one well known model from a well known sponsor in her first photo shoots that I thought didn't look a day over 16. It was taken at home with her in a bunk bed too Who sleeps in a bunkbed after 18? It's all part of the "teen" thing. Met Art has been around for awhile and is promoted by alot of respected webmasters. __________________

2005-07-06, 10:16 PM	#22
Emperor WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 46	Well guys, I did some research and this is all I have to say: Don't advertise that mother fucker ! Emperor

2005-07-07, 03:58 PM	#25
emmanuelle 0100011101100101011001010 1101011001000000100001101 1010000110100101100011 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,441	Yes, these girls, and little april etc may technically be 18, but we all know damn well that they are chosen because they appear much younger. Ask yourself who exactly is this intended to cater to, and do you want to be a part of it?