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2005-06-13, 06:59 PM
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Whatever don't kill ya makes ya stronger...
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content provider/2257 problem
Well, here's the scoop.
I bought quite a bit of content from cd babes, fetish brokers, and a few other sites. These were bought out by licensedcontent.com They had a large blurb on their website that, due to the fact that they bought these websites and their content, they would be most happy to send anyone who bought content from them the 2257 documents. So of course I contacted them with a list of what sets were bought from whom. Never heard back. I emailed again. Nothing. I icq'd the website contact and his response was Quote What the owner wants everyone to do is send an email to sales@licensedcontent.com then he is having me reply with a form letter that he wrote. So i did again. no answer ICQ contact said Quote I am just an employee....you can email the owner directly here.......dws@slaughterproductions.com So I did. still no answer Email looked familiar..guess who..David Slaughter - my2257 management system I know they are busy but..So I went to the website today to look and it's down for 2257 record review. I am small fry, maybe 40 sets, but at least drop me a line..? |shocking| |shocking| |
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2005-06-13, 07:35 PM
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Jim? I heard he's a dirty pornographer.
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Washington, DC
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I've noticed how many providers are now claiming "Full 2257 Documentation" and I know as a fact that do NOT provide full docs because I've bought from them and they haven't come up with the full docs yet.
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2005-06-13, 08:39 PM
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Whatever don't kill ya makes ya stronger...
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But I like this content..oh well.. |
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2005-06-13, 08:45 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Maybe to you, a paysite owner with hundreds of sets, losing the use of 40 sets is nothing, but to the rest of us working stiffs losing any purchased content is a noticeable loss; especially if you've used it for free sites or galleries. It's not just a matter of pulling content out of a CMS from a paysite. I'm going to start calling you Daddy Warbucks is you think throwing money away is no big deal.
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2005-06-13, 10:45 PM
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NYC Boy That Moved To The Island
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i wish my content loses were just 40 sets
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2005-06-13, 11:08 PM
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Certified Nice Person
Join Date: Oct 2003
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Give them to Jim, Tommy. He'll take them. |cool|
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2005-06-14, 12:05 PM
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Whatever don't kill ya makes ya stronger...
Join Date: Apr 2003
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40 sets from this one content prodvider alone..I wish it were just 40 sets!! This is totally unacceptable especially since they had a HUGE blurb stating if we bought from xyzs websites or producers in the past, email them at so an so email addy as they bought all content and docs and would provide them.  |
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2005-06-14, 12:38 PM
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try to contact Robert on icq 333-896-811: he provided me the 2257 docs right away when I asked him
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2005-06-14, 04:58 PM
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Afro John says: "Touch The Extreme Afro & You'll Be In Extreme Pain!"
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Losing 40 sets blows, it would be so nice if this shit were easy. To date we have probably killed about 300 sets
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2005-06-14, 06:16 PM
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Life is good
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Ottawa, Canada
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I am NOT happy neither. I have many many sets without proper docs. The worst part is the ASSHOLE content providers that will not even respond to emails.
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2005-06-14, 06:26 PM
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Searching for Jimmy Hoffa
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2005-06-14, 11:49 PM
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Took the hint.
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Anyone have a clue how to reach Zmaster?
 I have been saving my pennies for this day... I have a content shopping list all made and I will be buying some nice new stuff in the next week or so... time to rebuild so many things! Alex |
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2005-06-15, 01:11 AM
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Searching for Jimmy Hoffa
Join Date: Jan 2005
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The thing that's so funny in all this...some content providers are trying to nickel and dime people...when they don't realize that a little customer relations would go far for them.
I'm going to be buying a good amount of content the next 2 months...I've crossed out all the content providers that pissed me off or pissed friends off. I still have a nice big list of providers to choose from and those places that tried to pinch a penny can go [insert long string of cuss words here]  |
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2005-06-15, 02:26 AM
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Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!
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Warning: they might be naked, have a hairy natural bush, and show you their titties; shoking, just shoking but all sets will incude un-blocked ids. We save money on our content by having the models naked (saving a tremendous amount on wardrobe coust) to you! |
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2005-06-15, 07:57 AM
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I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Did you say Unblocked ids? So the blocked I d's I got from the pornstar content provider aren't usable? (I probably missed the day at class when this was covered). .. |help| |
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2005-06-15, 10:51 AM
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Jim? I heard he's a dirty pornographer.
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2005-06-15, 10:56 AM
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Jim? I heard he's a dirty pornographer.
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Washington, DC
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The truth is that I'm loosing AVS sites, Free Sites, Galleries, Banners and my affiliates are loosing some links as well. Then of course I'm also loosing sleep, a bunch of money on additions to my CMS, countless hours gathering and organizing data and I'm currently wearing wrist support because I'm coming down with carple tunnle after spending so many hours on the damn keyboard.
Loosing 1 set is expensive and time consuming but so is documenting the set. No matter what happens it's painful but I'm just trying to look on the brite side. Now SAY MY NAME BITCH! |
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2005-06-15, 11:08 AM
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Oh no, I'm sweating like Roger Ebert
Join Date: May 2004
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Here's what I got from Licensed Content in email. X-Originating-IP: [68.230.241.34] From: "sales" <sales@licensedcontent.com> To: "Selena" Subject: Re: 2257 Question/Fetish Brokers Content Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:28:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.0.323 [267.6.6] Gecko Productions LLC would like to take a moment to thank everyone for their assistance and patients concerning the new 18USC2257 regulations. We have been very busy for the past 9 months scanning, coping and data inputting all the talent we have photographed since we began producing content in 1996. To date we have cataloged close to 4,000 models, 600 hours of video and over 7,000 image sets. These include content produced by the following producers: Gecko Productions LLC Photographer: David Slaughter DBA: StudioBound.com LicensedContent.com DigitalXTC.com Gecko Productions LLC purchased the intellectual property of these companies and not their companies. We have made every effort possible to verify the authenticity of all documents presented to us by each producer at the time of sale to us. We did not receive copies of their outstanding licensing agreements. PW Productions Producer: Larry Pytlak DBA: ParadiseWebs.com L&M Entertianmet Producer: Mike Jones DBA: CDBabes.com PluginPorn.com WE DO NOT HAVE ALL DOCS FOR ALL PRODUCERS LISTED ON CDBABES.COM Synister Productions Producer: DBA: Synister Films Hand Job Content Virtual Ventures Producer: Brent Daughtry DBA: NicheImages.com Tassel Productions Producer: Spider DBA: FetishBrokers.com WE DO NOT HAVE ALL DOCS FOR ALL PRODUCERS LISTED ON FETISHBROKERS Uncle Jesse Productions Producer: Jess Christe DBA: UncleJesse.com If you purchased materials from companies others than Gecko Productions LLC. all content was delivered to best of our knowledge in full compliance with existing statuettes and regulations at time of sale. Gecko Productions has worked very diligently to enter pertinent information into our new talent management system - my2257 over the past months to aiding assisting you in meeting the requirements of the current 18USC2257 regulations. We will provide copies of Identifications to those that request them in writing. We request copies of your licensing agreement be sent with your request as to the authenticity your request for said documents. To protect the models rights and privacy we will not just randomly send out unedited copies of models ids. Upon presentation of a valid licensing agreement we will issue you compliant copies of needed documentation. If you can not provide us with a copy of a license agreement we will not issue you unedited copes of talents identifications. Gecko Productions will be charging for this service. We can not afford to offer this as a free service. We have received nearly 100 requests for documentation since the 17th of May 2005. Price structure we feel is very fair and just helps us to cover the added payroll and productions expenses we have encored to meet this current demand. Pricing will be $5.00 USD per image set we need to pull for you. If you have multiple sets of a single model we will only charge you once for pulling her ids and matching them to the dates of production. It has always been your responsibility to keep track of your licenses and documentations such as receipts. If you can not provide us with a valid license agreement you have two options: First option is to remove this content from your site. The second option is to repurchase the image sets at a 50% discount with all the pertinent documentation. We appreciate your past business and look forward to continued business relations in the future. We understand these are trying times on all of us and the burden of these new regulations is immense. Please feel free to contact me at dws@geckoproductions.net or (702) 457-6833 if you have any questions. Sincerely, David Slaughter Okay, I know I am a ditz, but I've read and read that, and I still don't have a clue as to what he has compliant docs for, and what he doesn't. If I'm understanding it correctly, he has no docs from the producers I have purchased from in the last 1.5 years, outside of the couple of sets I bought with Studio Bound as the producer. |
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2005-06-15, 12:17 PM
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Took the hint.
Join Date: Mar 2003
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It gets down to the same thing: As a business, I understand nobody wants to work for free. As a content provider, the government has stated that primary providers who don't supply the documents to secondary producers will be in violation (read the DOJ blurb).
The choice by these content producers to take this sort of action just makes it much easier to decide who's content I will purchase in the future. Alex |
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2005-06-15, 12:21 PM
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Asleep at the switch? I wasn't asleep, I was drunk
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Keep your content don't throw it out yet!!!! Alot of people are jumping the gun .
Thats one of the big things in the 2257 doc that my lawyer actually thinks is way out of line.. and he thinks that stands the best chance out of everything of getting overturned or changed. Way it was explained to me is like this Ok you go to a movie in a theatre it doesnt say in the credits They are redisplaying the movie for a profit So in all actuality if this 2257 revision rule was passed every movie theatre in the US would be required to get 2257 docs and keep records of time shown, date shown etc.... on any Rated R and Rated MA films with explicit nudity and sexual situations in them . And he doesnt see that happening anytime soon... And also was explained to me How do I know the girl or guy in the content we use is who they say they are. We have not seen or met these people in person and verified their ages or documents ourselfs we are taking 2nd hand sometimes 3rd or 4th hand documents which can be altered at any time. with extra parties being involved. I e.. wm's, content resellers, shady content suppliers, spons. etc... Im kinda rambling but trying to convey the point How are we as secondary producers to know if the Docs are LEGIT, and if the Feds come to your house who ya think they will believe you or a corporation. thats the main point. with computers anything an be doctored.
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2005-06-15, 12:28 PM
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Searching for Jimmy Hoffa
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Also, word of mouth advertising is seriously gone...face it, some of the best referrals in adult comes from one webmaster recommending a service to another. |
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2005-06-15, 12:33 PM
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NYC Boy That Moved To The Island
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I think if a content provider doesnt come up with the docs
and webmasters have to pull their content after june 23rd that content company is more or less out of buisness i dont see webmasters buying content or feeds when they know other webmasters have bought there and lost their investment
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2005-06-15, 08:43 PM
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There are many non-us webmasters who do not require documentation. While I think that brokers will be squeezed, many of the actual shooters will move to exclusive only. |
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2005-06-15, 11:55 PM
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If there is nobody out there, that's a lot of real estate going to waste!
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Tightning up the ID requirements in the lastest flavor is probably playing havoc with what are valid sets also.
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2005-06-16, 02:39 PM
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Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!
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But I will be looking at which providers misuse this situation in one way ore another. And those will not sell a single pic to me anymore. |
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