Question for owners & submittters

SheepGuy · 2007-05-01, 06:06 PM

Hypothetical question.
I get a submission that in it's recip tables has Tommy and DD, both of whom require partner accounts. It's a good submission from someone new to me so I list it, but keep an eye out to see if Tommy or DD list it, and they don't. So I get 4 or 5 more good sites from the same guy with the same recip table and list them. The big guys don't.
For link list owners, what would you do?
For submitters, why would you link to someone who requires an account that you don't have? Why not have a LL in those spots who will at least look at your submission, or, in Tommy's case, buy an account next time around. Seems a little deceptive.

Surfn · 2007-05-01, 08:09 PM

I get those type of submits all the time. My delete button is nearly worn out...

oldbrad · 2007-05-01, 09:39 PM

Maybe it is a doorway page that they put those links on just to give people the impression that it will get tons of traffic. If a webmaster sees one of those recips perhaps they are more likely to list it.

Check some of the other sites on the table to see if they are listed or see if you get hits back. If so it still might be worth listing or contacting him.

Mr Spock · 2007-05-02, 03:03 AM

Doesn't seem logical to me

Maj. Stress · 2007-05-02, 03:33 AM

One option would be to ask the list owner if that submitter is a partner.

I see submits all the time with recips to link lists that are closed to submits or I know for a fact that they are not following the rules of some of the sites in the recip table. I delete em. No sense in wasting time trying to figure out what is going on. And I damn sure don't let a recip from a bigger list influence accepting a site that does not follow my rules.

oldbrad · 2007-05-02, 03:51 AM

Also, i just thought about the fact that some ll's require you to provide samples with a recip in place. I think mpl does this though i'm not 100% sure. If he built a couple sites submitted to you that were his samples, it could be he is waiting on his approval. I know i am waiting for one that has been about 2 weeks so far.

About tommys, maybe he is buying gallery listings. I think you submit a full list in advance for that so that could be as well. These prolly aren't likely, but if the quality of the sites are good it might be worth an email to the submitter asking whats up. I'd prolly delete them if i had listed sites and not received a single hit back, because they prolly weren't listed elsewhere.

Brad

tigermom · 2007-05-02, 04:29 AM

Could be they just have an old recip table and they copy from there, not even bothering to check? I am not a LL owner, but seems to me this is not grounds for rejection, as long as you see enough LL's there in the recip table that you know are active.

You could try emailing the guy and ask what's up.

ladydesigner · 2007-05-02, 06:51 AM

I get submits like that all the time. To me that's very deceptive and I delete the sites.

stfuvt · 2007-05-02, 08:04 AM

I never paid attention actually, but I thought its possible.

obalee · 2007-05-02, 10:57 AM

I just recently got back into the business and have been building sites and galleries. In the past, I didn't have to submit the sites that I built but now I do. I've noticed that a lot of list want you to have the recip in place before you submit. Maybe the recip was put there and they didn't get listed or accepted as a partner and just didn't take it off before submitting to other places. Although that seems like you're promoting a site without getting anything in return, I didn't realize that you could get listed just by having a certain recip on your page.

oldbrad · 2007-05-02, 11:13 AM

What i meant by this is that some people want to be listed on the same page as "big name" link lists and so even if a person isn't submitting to them they might use the recip to give the other link lists the impression it would be submitted to them and perhaps help it get listed. Perhaps being the keyword.

It's not my practice, just stating a reason as to why it could be. And i didn't say could, i said perhaps they are more likely to list it. If you don't think a recip table could sway the vote for a site a little i believe your wrong.

Whether or not it should, i think that if there are 2 sites with equal quality and one has 10 sites in the recip that are newer or not very well known and you have one with all the big players and they had to choose 1 site, the big name one would be chosen over the other. Or if the reviewer is on the fence as too accept it and it could go either way, i think seeing the recips could sway it a little.

obalee · 2007-05-02, 11:37 AM

I see what you're talking about, I guess I would be doing the same thing if I owned the list. It just seems like it would be extra work to have to check up on every submission to see if they were listed on the big sites.

Lemmy · 2007-05-02, 12:22 PM

The grouping of my recip on a freesite doesn't sway me at all with regards to whether or not I will list it. I judge each site on its own merits and couldn't care less who else it gets submitted to. That said, I do raise an eyebrow when I see my recip with the big boys. I guess the submitter is a newbie and doesn't know any better.

I do consider padding your recip table with "fake" recips to be cheating and react accordingly. I need to be certain, though. Not long ago I thought I smelled a rat and e-mailed a subitter to ask if he really had an account with such-and-such LL. Turns out he did and he gave me the links to prove it. He took it nicely though and still submits to me.

Tommy · 2007-05-02, 12:58 PM

one answer might be that he doesn't have a partner account and doesn't know he needs one

he keeps submitting and doesn't pay any attention to if he is getting listed or not

maybe using an auto submitter

I will give ya an example
787 Accepted submissions in the last 24 hours (1448 rejected submissions)

accepted means thats the number of what gets thru the filters and then goes on to be reviewed
which the only filter now is having a partner account

so in the last 24 hours I got 1448 submits from non partners that were auto deleted

ponygirl · 2007-05-02, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy

so in the last 24 hours I got 1448 submits from non partners that were auto deleted

|shocking|

wow, that's a lot

one thing I do try to check if possible is if they have mirrored pages with the same recips on them...like there's 5 mirror entrance pages, all with Tommy's (and the other big guys) recips on them. Then I know they just stuck mine on there and aren't really subbing to the others.

LowryBigwood · 2007-05-02, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy

I will give ya an example
787 Accepted submissions in the last 24 hours (1448 rejected submissions)

How many reviewers does it take to handle that kind of volume? At least 2/3 are filtered out right off the bat, but 800 subs in 24 hours... That's gotta take some manpower there.

Tommy · 2007-05-02, 01:50 PM

thats 2 very well paid and crying every day like a bitch reviewers

in fact sometimes I avoid anwsering the phone when they call

you gotta be fast here
the funny thing is once in a while i talk to someone that reviews for some other site

they always think they are pretty good but after a few mins I can tell they would never cut it here

LowryBigwood · 2007-05-02, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy

thats 2 very well paid and crying every day like a bitch reviewers

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy

in fact sometimes I avoid anwsering the phone when they call

you gotta be fast here
the funny thing is once in a while i talk to someone that reviews for some other site

they always think they are pretty good but after a few mins I can tell they would never cut it here

Yeah, 400 reviews a day each is going to require some speed. At least they're paid well. On a side note, I will have Fios soon (15MB/2MB) connection if you need any help.

SheepGuy, I pretty much agree with everyone else's ideas and thoughts behind the recips. Some might use them to give off the impression that they are being listed on higher traffic sites and some might do it hoping to be listed on those sites. Either way, I'm not sure how harsh I'd be unless I knew the guy was doing it in a way to deceive others.

Shoot him an email and see what he says.

SheepGuy · 2007-05-02, 03:26 PM

Thanks everyone!
I am getting traffic back from this guys sites and he is getting listed with a lot of the biggies, so I'm not going to drop his sites. But I will send him an e-mail next time he submits, and I will keep an eye out for "mirrors" with BS recips.

HowlingWulf · 2007-05-02, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy

I will give ya an example
787 Accepted submissions in the last 24 hours (1448 rejected submissions)

Wow. Makes me feel much better I have an acct and get my sites listed at Tommys.

Preacher · 2007-05-03, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy

...I will give ya an example
787 Accepted submissions in the last 24 hours (1448 rejected submissions)...

Tommy makes my dick feel small.

Thanks Tommy!

2007-05-01, 06:06 PM	#1
SheepGuy It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,527	Question for owners & submittters Hypothetical question. I get a submission that in it's recip tables has Tommy and DD, both of whom require partner accounts. It's a good submission from someone new to me so I list it, but keep an eye out to see if Tommy or DD list it, and they don't. So I get 4 or 5 more good sites from the same guy with the same recip table and list them. The big guys don't. For link list owners, what would you do? For submitters, why would you link to someone who requires an account that you don't have? Why not have a LL in those spots who will at least look at your submission, or, in Tommy's case, buy an account next time around. Seems a little deceptive. __________________ If the Environment was a bank, they would have saved it by now.

2007-05-01, 08:09 PM	#2
Surfn If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth on occasion Posts: 8,812	I get those type of submits all the time. My delete button is nearly worn out... __________________ Surfn's Links Are you a partner?

2007-05-01, 09:39 PM	#3
oldbrad It is better to watch things then to do them Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: oregon Posts: 485	Maybe it is a doorway page that they put those links on just to give people the impression that it will get tons of traffic. If a webmaster sees one of those recips perhaps they are more likely to list it. Check some of the other sites on the table to see if they are listed or see if you get hits back. If so it still might be worth listing or contacting him. __________________ Help MrMaryLou Link to his Chubby TGP & Chubby Links on your sites and blogs.

2007-05-02, 03:51 AM	#6
oldbrad It is better to watch things then to do them Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: oregon Posts: 485	Also, i just thought about the fact that some ll's require you to provide samples with a recip in place. I think mpl does this though i'm not 100% sure. If he built a couple sites submitted to you that were his samples, it could be he is waiting on his approval. I know i am waiting for one that has been about 2 weeks so far. About tommys, maybe he is buying gallery listings. I think you submit a full list in advance for that so that could be as well. These prolly aren't likely, but if the quality of the sites are good it might be worth an email to the submitter asking whats up. I'd prolly delete them if i had listed sites and not received a single hit back, because they prolly weren't listed elsewhere. Brad __________________ Help MrMaryLou Link to his Chubby TGP & Chubby Links on your sites and blogs.

2007-05-02, 04:29 AM	#7
tigermom You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 893	Could be they just have an old recip table and they copy from there, not even bothering to check? I am not a LL owner, but seems to me this is not grounds for rejection, as long as you see enough LL's there in the recip table that you know are active. You could try emailing the guy and ask what's up. __________________ XLEF

2007-05-02, 03:03 AM	#4
Mr Spock You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vulcan Posts: 695	Doesn't seem logical to me

2007-05-02, 03:33 AM	#5
Maj. Stress Progress rarely comes in buckets, it normally comes in teaspoons Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Dark Side Of Naboo Posts: 1,289	One option would be to ask the list owner if that submitter is a partner. I see submits all the time with recips to link lists that are closed to submits or I know for a fact that they are not following the rules of some of the sites in the recip table. I delete em. No sense in wasting time trying to figure out what is going on. And I damn sure don't let a recip from a bigger list influence accepting a site that does not follow my rules.

2007-05-02, 06:51 AM	#8
ladydesigner ~Serving Up Sinful Sex ~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Missouri City, Texas Posts: 1,928	I get submits like that all the time. To me that's very deceptive and I delete the sites. __________________ Porn Pixie XxX ~ Looking for Link Trades

2007-05-02, 08:04 AM	#9
stfuvt My wife is not a doobie to be passed around! On our wedding day I promised to bogart her for life! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 278	I never paid attention actually, but I thought its possible. __________________ Jakes Links - Submit Your Free Sites Here I am selling pornblog.ca

2007-05-02, 10:57 AM	#10
obalee If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 36	I just recently got back into the business and have been building sites and galleries. In the past, I didn't have to submit the sites that I built but now I do. I've noticed that a lot of list want you to have the recip in place before you submit. Maybe the recip was put there and they didn't get listed or accepted as a partner and just didn't take it off before submitting to other places. Although that seems like you're promoting a site without getting anything in return, I didn't realize that you could get listed just by having a certain recip on your page.

2007-05-02, 11:13 AM	#11
oldbrad It is better to watch things then to do them Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: oregon Posts: 485	What i meant by this is that some people want to be listed on the same page as "big name" link lists and so even if a person isn't submitting to them they might use the recip to give the other link lists the impression it would be submitted to them and perhaps help it get listed. Perhaps being the keyword. It's not my practice, just stating a reason as to why it could be. And i didn't say could, i said perhaps they are more likely to list it. If you don't think a recip table could sway the vote for a site a little i believe your wrong. Whether or not it should, i think that if there are 2 sites with equal quality and one has 10 sites in the recip that are newer or not very well known and you have one with all the big players and they had to choose 1 site, the big name one would be chosen over the other. Or if the reviewer is on the fence as too accept it and it could go either way, i think seeing the recips could sway it a little. __________________ Help MrMaryLou Link to his Chubby TGP & Chubby Links on your sites and blogs.

2007-05-02, 11:37 AM	#12
obalee If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 36	I see what you're talking about, I guess I would be doing the same thing if I owned the list. It just seems like it would be extra work to have to check up on every submission to see if they were listed on the big sites.

2007-05-02, 12:22 PM	#13
Lemmy You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Next door to a kid with a moped. Posts: 1,492	The grouping of my recip on a freesite doesn't sway me at all with regards to whether or not I will list it. I judge each site on its own merits and couldn't care less who else it gets submitted to. That said, I do raise an eyebrow when I see my recip with the big boys. I guess the submitter is a newbie and doesn't know any better. I do consider padding your recip table with "fake" recips to be cheating and react accordingly. I need to be certain, though. Not long ago I thought I smelled a rat and e-mailed a subitter to ask if he really had an account with such-and-such LL. Turns out he did and he gave me the links to prove it. He took it nicely though and still submits to me. __________________ BUY MY PORNSITES! Last edited by Lemmy; 2007-05-02 at 12:27 PM..

2007-05-02, 12:58 PM	#14
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	one answer might be that he doesn't have a partner account and doesn't know he needs one he keeps submitting and doesn't pay any attention to if he is getting listed or not maybe using an auto submitter I will give ya an example 787 Accepted submissions in the last 24 hours (1448 rejected submissions) accepted means thats the number of what gets thru the filters and then goes on to be reviewed which the only filter now is having a partner account so in the last 24 hours I got 1448 submits from non partners that were auto deleted __________________ Accepting New partners

2007-05-02, 01:50 PM	#17
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	thats 2 very well paid and crying every day like a bitch reviewers in fact sometimes I avoid anwsering the phone when they call you gotta be fast here the funny thing is once in a while i talk to someone that reviews for some other site they always think they are pretty good but after a few mins I can tell they would never cut it here __________________ Accepting New partners

2007-05-02, 03:26 PM	#19
SheepGuy It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,527	Thanks everyone! I am getting traffic back from this guys sites and he is getting listed with a lot of the biggies, so I'm not going to drop his sites. But I will send him an e-mail next time he submits, and I will keep an eye out for "mirrors" with BS recips. __________________ If the Environment was a bank, they would have saved it by now.