2Cleo: Ok.
2linkster: i have few domain. Allways post with name : "skygsi".
U never send me desline or apruve :)
it's your choose.|potleaf|

I dont send out approves/disapprove emails - and I had already banned almost all of the 599 other domains on your IP address for the same type of content and looks like they were all coming from the same "group" - Since the Ip was on Choopa and Hqhost it fell into the global ban that was done. Its a real shame because there are 1 or 2 honest WMs using that host - and they got penalized because all of the cheater groups in Eastern Europe happened to use that host too

Hqhost is serving more than 15000 webmasters because it is one of the best hostings.
And 99.5% of webmaster do not cheat. Only 0.5% of them appears to be cheaters.
HqHost is a big company and don't meet cheaters and wanna get rid of them just like u owners do. So maybe u will better get in touch with them to discuss how to better fight against them.

But if u ban hqhost all u will get is having the same cheaters to use another host,dns, etc...
U will not decrease number of cheaters. But it will definetly make problems for more than 14000 honest webmasters..

If you don't want your servers banned then maybe you should be a bit more picky on who you will host.

Look at these fine sites that you have chosen to host at the same server as pornolymp.com. :(
Afghanrape.com
Only-rape.com
Drunk-incest.com

Berkut, my theory is this: At the point that I am clicking decline more often that accept for certain types of sites, I start looking for reasons and connections.

hqhost has (for whatever reason) ended up being the host of choice for some of the most agressive submission spammers, junk site builders, and people generally wasting my time. Many of the sites I saw all promoted the same sponsor(s), and they were all attached to a russian based billing company that was resently marked as "bad" for different reasons.

When I suddenly get 100-200 submissions in a short time frame from different domains and emails all on the same host, all promoting the same product, all on the same unacceptable theme (drunk mom fucks skinny, 14 year old looking boy), I have to take action. I can sit there and spend hours trying to seperate the wheat from the chaff, attempt to find the 2 honest webmasters in the pile of manure coming in, or I can just ban the whole f-ing thing and get it over with.

What do you think I would do?

Alex

One more question..
AdvancedHosters banned host?
Please list all banned hosting.

Waters wet, the skys blue, women have secrets, and hqhost is 99% cheats..


|rasta|

DD

Who will suffer in case you ban "russian" hosts?
-Honest russian webmasters (believe me the lion's share is honest)
-"Russian" hosts. Concerning hqhost.net I can say that this host is rather quality and has lots of clients (honest and dishonest as any big hosting company has).
-Link Lists. You will need to delete thousands of sites. Is it really what your surfers need?

Being the part of russian AWM community I come across and suffer from f*cking cheaters almost every week. And believe me they are smart and stubborn. Those who cheat your link lists will easily move to american hosts and with multiplied forces will cheat you, russian LLs or anybody else again.

Webmasters spend their time on creating free sites, buying/finding content, design (personally I buy some designs and spend money), arranging recip links (after checking if they were changed), checking rules changed, posting to aprox 100 LLs (2-3 hours). LL owners just have to check free site (1 min). I understand that you have tons of submissions every day to check, and you see tons of crap, and you are sick and tired of that. But we together doing something profitable to each other - you get links to list, we get traffic. Prohibition of submissions from "russian" hosts will extremely complicate your work. Cheater will post sites from a quantity hosts and you will not be able to track them. IMHO the only reasonable decision is to contact Tornado - manager of hqhost and to complain about every case of cheating. I am pretty sure that he is willing to do his best to kick cheaters from his host. Nobody loves cheaters!
Thanks heaven the cold war is over and we can, we have to find common language.

Max Maul

i'm sure know now hqhost is #1 in that list
heaven for cheaters and hell for LL owners


Max, respect in every aspects|shake|

SI i know :\
Max Restect |buddy|

Max, there is no benefit for us to contact the host, it isn't cheating in any LEGAL sense (although some of them do break the law) but it has more about being dishonest - redirects after listing, links to KP top lists, questionable sponsor sites, multiple submits, multiple domains, all the end up pointing to only a few places.

Too many of them have paysites with regpay or trustbill on the end of them. Many of them promote "Drunk mom and boy" sites, "nature girl" sites, etc. There is a whole bunch of non-consentual and non-of age stuff going on.

I choose to list stuff that is good for my surfers, is enjoyable to them, and makes them want to come back and consult with me in the future for other good sites to check out. I don't want to send them to a redirect, to hell, or to a membership site that is going to rip them off, steal their money, or use their card information to produce white cards to go shopping with.

90% of russian webmasters MIGHT be honest, but the 10% are doing enough bad to cover it all up.

I personally blacklisted many russian ISPs as well, so I don't even accept the submits from those IPs. That got rid of about 50% of my scamming shit every day.

Alex

ok, U banned hqhost...
now the question is...... will all those cheaters stop to cheat OR will they move to various non-russian hosts?
most likely they won't stop cheating... i think they just gonna move to other hosts.
so, does this hqhost ban save U from cheaters? obviously not. this ban just gives U few quet days... in few days all those cheaters renew their activity from other hosts...
and what U goona do then? ban entire internet?

if U want a solution - here's what i can offer.
hqhost, advancedhosters, maybe any other hoster install separate servers for LL posters. if customer from one of those servers cheat - he gets deleted after LL owner report even if his content is legal in terms of law.
this will ensure that there will be no cheaters on such servers.

this is just an offer. take it or not - up to U to decide.
at least this makes sence... simple host ban gives just a little delay b4 U got cheated by same cheaters from new host.

sounds reasonable

Wouldn't that be the same effect for the cheater, they will just move to another host?
The only thing different I see is that LL owners now have to contact the host for every single cheater.

"If a LL owner complaints, you will get terminated". Do you think it's possible to add that to a legal hosting contract?

ya but thats not counting the other 50 email addresses they submit from

AdvancedHosters its not just a quiet few days

you fuckin people are as much to blame as the cheaters themselves
when the cheaters burn through their ip numbers
what do you do ---- give them new ones

then you act like its our fault when YOUR dns servers get black listed

our sites get fucked up - you dont care your laughing all the way to the bank
you know who the cheaters are but since your getting paid
you dont care

only when you talk about baning name servers do the hosting companys come out and say a few bad apples ......

ya know who the bad apples are... you are

Those domains don't sound very legal to me? |skull|

ns0.hqhost.net ns1.hqhost.net

********бъ********с********ит********???

First, I'm not from the Hqhost staff. I'm their customer and just use this quality hosting along with it's perfect support and very friendly management.

But if u guys ban hqhost, who will be be the next ones? Right, another hosting companies. Because cheaters will move their cheating domains to other hostings. It might take only 30 minutes to move ALL their sites... ONLY 30 minutes to completely register new domains and move the content.
This is not a solution.. Obviously, no cheater will stop cheating after banning some hosting. ..

2 All Owners
I think a solution might be in dealing with Hqhost management. I think if respected GreenGuy or Cleo or another owner report a cheating occasion to HQhost support (who's always online and speak good english) they will close a cheater's account immediately
Anyway try to contact Hqhost support and talk to them briefly. Hit them up at ICQ: #1050994
Your assistant would be appreciated by thousands of russian webmasters and your surfers as well :)
Just look, how much good free sites are listed from hqhost.
We are suffer from fucking cheatears as well as u...

I think Hqhost became a "heaven for cheaters" because of it's mad popularity and quality. But I'm sure that its management also wants to get rid of them

2RawAlex: I agree that the ones who never abide by rules just pisses off, but IMHO, banning of the respective hosting would not solve the problem..

it does work because untill now the cheaters and most webmaster didnt know that hq host was banned everywhere

on my site if you submit something from a banned host
it just says thank you very myuch
blah blah blah
so the cheaters dont know
and when they move to anther host they wont know if that hosts ips have been banned


what we need to do is get together and set up a list of banned hosts

if a host like hq host has to many cheaters then none of us accept submits on them and clearly state that on our submit pages

when webmasters see that their host is banned at site after site
that takes the problem away from us and dumps it in the hosting companys lap


and honest webmasters would know what hosts not to use

I agree and Hq will think twice about having known cheaters on there servers and I think most hosts should screen there adult webmasters and tell the cheaters to walk and they have some thing looming over them that all LL and tgps will ban a host..

....... and cheaters would :-)




back to my suggestion.
in case of such cooperation in few monthes LL owners will have pretty big database of honest webmasters hosted on such servers.

but yes, it's easier to ban then to cooperate |waves|
but ban much less effective |sad|

how do U imagine "to screen" 20000 domains??? :)

2Tommy: Cheaters will know about banning of Hqhost just tommorrow. And in 2 days they will move to other hostings. It is obviously
And when the honest webmasters move to other hostings as well, they also will not be guaranteed to be not banned cause of cheaters. That's why banning of such a big hosting is not a good solution..

I suggest to contact to the Hqhost staff and cooperate with them.

You don't have applications for hosting? No terms to enforce? No scripts or bots to see who is doing what on your servers?

If the answer is no to any of the above therein lies the problem.

AdvancedHosters - Well If 5 or 10% are cheats, just wait till the honest ones leave and whoever is left ban them and start over and you'll know who not to host:D

plateman

When new domains are added, wouldn't it be pretty easy to spot domains like this?

seerape.com
onlyrape.com
forbiddenrapes.com
forced-rape.com

All of them are hosted at Advanced Hosters. Even if domains are added through a script, it's fairly easy to filter them out, IF you really want to.