I think I still have bushporn.com :)

Alex

Count me in. I'll put up links and also add a note to my submit completed page telling other webmasters where to go to get the info for adding a link to their sites.

By the way, my fellow americans and others, you do realize that GW has NOTHING to do with the way things are in America right now. Nor in what the US is doing in other parts of the war.

To sum it up in as few words as possible: if you have seen all the Star wars movies, then you know who JajaBings is, right? THATS GW. Likeable front man without a brain in his head. It wasnt even his idea to run for president. his father and his fathers cronnies came to him and gave him the old 'the party needs you' pitch. And GW said OK.

He does what he is told and has NO ability to comprehend the long term plans of the GOP, never mind the long term EFFECTS of those plans.

Now I mention this not to releave GW of his responsibilities but to remind all you that when GW leaves the office, its NOT going to be all better even with a Democratic party win.

Know who the enemy is. thats step one. And that is The religious right and their puppets the GOP. Just a western culture reflection of Mullahs and their followers.

Put links in your pages to FIRST AMENDMENT issue sites, activities of the right, the gop, US Watch groups focused on Judicial Misconduct ,etc and then place these right next to feeds on Human rights watch groups focusing on Islamic states, issues on US Veterans Rights, Womens rights groups abroad, next to Anti-abortionist groups here in the US. Post the price of Oil next to the Unemployment index. Post Haliburten (spelling?) stock quotes next to the latest Injured, Killed stats for US soldiers in Iraq..........

Juxta position these issues - even if they sit at the bottom of the page in 8 point font and only 14 words are the preview.

AT the very least, you give a GREAT arguement that the next visit from your local law nforcement agency was polically motivated and designed to shut down your site's flow of information:D

guestcam, the biggest difference at the end of the day is who is beholden to who. Republicans are beholden to and often run by the christian groups that are out there, from the extreme to the sublime. They are the reason we say "President W" as opposed to "president gore" or whatever. Over a 25 year period, these people have been in power for all but 8 of them, and have stacked the decks at all levels, with judges in many circuits, life long political hacks, and general hooks into all the corners of government.

The Meese Commission wasn't an accident.

To suggest that one party or the other would be "friendly" to porn is stupid, it isn't happening. But I know that Republicans are ACTIVELY trying to throttle and kill off legitimate and protected free speech. The democrats have taken stabs at things with COPA and COPAII, but in each case, they were trying to find ways to limit access to porn from children, not witch hunting our industry.

It is clear between 2257 rules, COPA challenges, and now fishing for porn search information that these people are actively looking for some little hole to drive a truck through and wipe us all off the face of the map.

fuckers.

W certainly is the smiley front man, and I think he often spends his time coming up with justifcations for what the wild and out of control members of his party and administration are trying to pull off.

Alex

This is a fantastic idea providing it's handled sensibly. "Bush is a dick" type slogans will be likely to be laughed off and ignored. Try not to give "Mr + Mrs Straight-Laced" any excuses to dismiss the issues.
As we know, polititions tend only to listen when there is mass public outcry/support on an issue, so the amount of support will be a very important factor. Get the numbers. The big logs will ignite the twigs but the twigs will burn with the same fire. (Or something like that)

To gain support from webmasters and really boost those support numbers I would think that keeping it simple, providing a small graphical button that's branded with some sort of acronym, which then links to the relevant page/site for more info etc would be the way to go.

Also, I would avoid directing the movement towards Mr Bush, and aim more for a general "Adult Industry Voice" type of thing.

Of course, you folks know much more than me, but more "small people" giving opinions means there's a greater chance of a solution.

This has been something that I have been discussing with people for a long time. Nothing really ever became of it.

But a central domain that would list a blurb about what the site is trying to accomplish. Also a news section about the war on porn. Also links to articles of what is going on.
A donation link to The FSC. (or even the ACLU)

There are lots of possibilities.

FightTheWarOnPorn.com is available. (as well as ftwop.com)

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Not sure if my sites have any political influence but I'm sure that I've upset some religious types.

These days that seems to be the same thing :(

I've heard similar ideas tossed around on other boards when the 2257 thing started getting ugly. Now, I'm all for the idea. 100 percent behind publicizing this madness. But, here is the thing...

IMO, the page that gets linked to has to be breif. Probably no more than a 2-5 minute read. I don't think any surfer is going to spend more time than that on anything when he has his choad in his hand. The page would have to be well written, in lay terms, by someone who knows their shit and isn't Roman Maroni. I don't know many webmasters who are that skilled. I certainly am not. It's easy for us to talk shop, but to mention 2257 and COPA to a surfer and expect them to be on the same page as us is counter-intuitive. This means to me that it's not going to be easy to set up a page. The page itself could have links to further reading, but the meat and potatoes would have to be confined to an easy to digest portion of text, IMO. Also, the point would have to be made that while today it's porn, tomorrow, it's the WORLD!!! (insert evil republican laugh here). I think that once people grasp that fact, they will be more easily motivated to action. Again, just my opinion.

Again, I am all for the idea, and also, have some domain names that may be of use. questiontheanswers.net and .org. I registered them with political intent in the first place and haven't gotten around to developing them.

We may want the site hosted off shore. We're facing at least three more years of censorship and my guess is the hosting company and the owner of the crentral domain will come under attack.

This is a perfect place to keep an ongoing blog as well as a message.

well after sleeping on it

I came up with this

1) if we start attacking political figures they aren't gonna change their ways they will just try to get rid of us faster

IF we made any impact it would be faster and easy er to just get rid of us

2) taking a lesson from the republican party
we need to attack the bad myths about us. we need to tell our side and prove its not true, while staying neutral in the political environment

which isn't hard to do

like the myth that we use our sites to target children
that all of our sites are filled with spy ware and viruses
that passing laws in the us will make any difference in the amount of porn
that we cause or promote the use of child porn

I think that this is a election year if we are gonna put out anything bad about political candidates we should wait till November and maybe even then we shouldn't

also taking a political stand could cost of customers

what do you guys think

I agree, informative and postive. Avoid the political and negative.

It would be cool if we set up a fight-the-war-on-porn fund on the site, and somehow the website got alot of buzz in the media. Whatever fund the site generates then we can pour into fighting the uninformed / braindead policitians.

I have to say that focusing on the positive is best as well. Smear campaigns backfire. Keep in mind also. While we have a different perception of the situations involved in these wacked out legislations, the fact remains that a ton of our surfers are swinging from the Bush administration's nut sac. I don't think it would help our case to be very offensive on our sites while we are also wanting Bubba Redneck republican to buy a membership to our tranny sites after a healthy round of gay bashing with the boys at work. |crazy| They surf for porn too.

Couldn't agree more Tommy |thumb

An upbeat approach to who actually sells adult entertainment and our target market is an excellent idea. Try to finally get across the message that the vast majority of us are tax paying business people...plain and simple.

Providing links to FSC and ACLU are an excellent idea as well.

But, basically revealing adult webmasters as responsible business people who sell adult entertainment to adults is an excellent approach.

Oh, and of course there should be absolutely no advertising for adult sites directly on these pages.

I agree with all you said here. If you guys come up with a button or something we can use to link to the pages talking the myths about us, I would run it on all my stuff. I don't care to get into political shit slinging on my sites tho.

I think that you are very correct and make a clear point on the difference. One political body wants to protect children. The other uses children in their first against what they believe is evil. When you are fighting evil winning at all costs becomes the goal. Winning at all costs has always been the greatest evil of men.

I'd like to see a big pornographer run for office one of these days :)

mary carey ran
larry flint ran

As a reviewer for two sites that list adult blogs, I think that most bloggers are missing an opportunity to make your voice heard and maybe educate your visitors a little. Don't you get tired of just writing advertising copy? Adding political commentary would also have perks related to the search engines - new keyword phrases to be found with. An example of an adult blog where the bulk of the writing is about 1st Amendment issues and the religious right is:

http://www.sexxxxpics.com/blog

Some sort of variation of that format might work well on other adult blogs, and it would be nice to see more adult bloggers writing about issues. It would certainly make the reviewing a lot more interesting.

This is the exact same law that was shot down by the Supreme Court years ago. It was an actual law for a month where everyone involved with a child accessing an adult site was fined $50k. From the site owner, to the host, to the isp and finally to the library or school or where ever the kid got access.

It was the Democrats that came up with the original law and Reno went against the ACLU at the Supreme Court. The Court shot it down but it was very scary for a while. Now with the new Chief Justice and with Alito about to be confirmed, things could easily swing the other way. It's too bad there is no Double Jeopardy with the Supreme Court. Or even dismissed with prejudice.

This is the one time where I won't say, don't worry.

Whatever is done has to be positive in nature, has to be written by someone who can be eloquent, passive, and non-confrontational. It still needs to be firm though, dispelling myths, and painting a picture of freedoms being denied.

A radical statement, no matter how true it is, will only give fodder for the other side to attack the industry. However, if you make the attackers look stupid by taking the high road...you'll achieve a far greater support.

If this is done, it has to be done right or not done at all. I like the blog idea, but, even the comments would have to be monitored, the "industry" insiders would have to present themselves in a very professional way. BUSH SUCKS, lol, no matter how true it is, wouldn't be a good post.

Do it, but do it right. It can be our best advertising or turn into something for further ridicule of the industry. It's a tightwire act, but I think it should be done.

I think Mr. Blue sums it up right there. Well said.|thumb

If someone would like to get all the bullet points together, I'd be happy to go over the copy and polish it. I'm a published writer, editor and back in the day I won awards for some of my work. I know the tone we need and I can nail it, so I'd be happy to be the pointman on eloquence for this little project. An old friend used to say that my specialty was "masturbation of the written word," so my skills may be just what the doctor ordered :D

The best adult biz reference I can give on my writing is Simon, as I've done some extensive work for him. LMK if I'm needed :)

serperation of church and state. God was allowed by the forfathers, the church, the bible, the Koran, were not.

Writings by Jefferson, Adams, and other forefathers, clearly explain the first amendment was MEANT for unpopular speech.

All citizens and groups have a right to denounce the adult entertainment industry as immoral pornography; NONE of them have the right to call for imprissionment or punishment of the indivuduals in the adult industry.

US soldiers are fighting and dying in Afganistan and Iraq to stop Islamic extremists from punishing those selected as violating the laws of god as outlined in the Koran. Why do we allow the clery and their followers in this country to persecute those who violate the laws of god as outlined in the old and new testement.

neither sexual conduct nor sexual materials are immoral. Unless you follow what is outlined in the Holy Bible or the Koran. In the US, I may not be punished nor prosecuted for offending either religious text.

It isnt a fight to protect porn. Its a fight for your rights to not be religious, or of a certain religion, and not face consequences from any government agency because of that fact.

I AM moral;but my moral values do not consider my own or another personals sexual preferences, conduct or tastes as the proper forum to judge someone or myself as immoral.

those are rought cut but that's what comes to my mind as top issues.

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