mmmmm..my morrals? see you all at the bank ;)

Morals?? Holy crap, we're all pushing porn here and now we're worried about morrals - now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are - LOL!!

I hope this fusker guy doesn't have an ebay account!

Tortus you're absolutely right. Morals, that was funny.

Porn publisher talking about moral |jester|

Morals and a porn business are not mutually exclusive.

Alex

If you two cocksuckers honestly believe that pornography is immoral, then go confess your sins and find another gig.

Here's MY problem with you two tards selling ad space on your low traffic pages - the vast majority of webmasters want guaranteed clicks these days, not just banner views. Why would anyone pay you for the oh so grand opportunity to place a fucking banner on your banner farms?

Apparently that's missed by some folks in the biz Alex...unfortunately :(

Frankly, those that don't think one can have morals in this business probably don't have much in the way of morals in the rest of their lives either.

Guess the good news is...I just found 3 other folks to never do business with |asshole|s

@useless Warrior : I don't think that post deserves any response

@Mr Yum: I don't think you can judge people by viewing one post, but if you do respect

Mr Yum, it is truly the thing I find the most sad in dealing with people in this business for the last (almost) 10 years - there are a remarkable number of people in the adult business that would steal from their father and put nude pictures of their mother getting fucked by a dog on the net if they thought there was $5 to be made.

It makes me wonder how these people would handle themselves if they had to work with the models directly. Without morals, you know, anything would be possible.

It is truly sad.

Alex

@RawAlex: And what does that have to do with someone trying to sell a few ads???!!!
And again you also judge people on a few post, I think that´s amazing.

Not in the slightest... I judge them by the company they keep - and then by how they respond to the situation. Tortus' answers in this case show me someone who doesn't give a rat's ass who steals from who... I bet he would be upset as hell to find the content he shoots available for free on fusker or Guba... but then, he shouldn't get upset because, well, morals aren't required in porn, now are they?

Alex

@rawalex: Yes I Understand your point but why do that in his post just send him a PM that should have been the way to go.
And btw I don´t think there are a lot of people in the world that can say they have never done something morally wrong.

Yes indeed |banghead|

That's the very sentiment of ch@ld porn peddlers, people who promote true rape sites, hotlinkers, content thiefs, spammers, spyware installers, hackers, etc! |thumb

btw, babalapoulos, although you mention you don't have any in this biz either, congrats on spelling MORALS correctly!

It is not even about morally wrong - it is about being shown that there is an issue and turning a blind eye saying "so what" or "that was last week" or whatever. Tortus might have joined that program without knowledge, but presented with the facts and situation might have chosen another path besides "thanks for fucking up by business".

A PM in this case wouldn't do a thing to remind other potential buyers that adbrite supports the type of sites that steal directly from us all. This business is hard enough to compete in, without having to compete against people who steal content and bandwidth. Having a company like AVN / Adbrite support these people is just another slap in the face from the company that is suppose to be near the forefront of our indsutry.

Alex

Wow people... I have "morals". I made that, "mmm" comment because I have been buying AVNads for a long time and didn't find out about this fusker thing with them until yesterday. I don't have the option to stop all ads overnight because of the amount of money involved.

So nobody here has any ads in the AVN mags or online? I bet every link list here promotes sponsors that do run ads in AVN mags and online. And how many of you are promoting sponsors (or directly) that use Streamray and Friendfinder sites in their members area? I sure have read a lot of posts where fusker sites have accounts there too.

How many of you run Google adwords accounts? Google sure accepts quit a few scraper sites in their adsence network.

How many Link Lists here cut and paste links from the big Link Lists. My stats show quit a few do.

Should we all get a morality check or what am I missing here?

Suddenly, because the guy who lives next to you killed 20 people at the shopping mall last week, is it now acceptable to shoot 1 person? It's not as bad, you know?

Let's just all throw our hands up and steal from each other. BTW, check your phone sex lines, I had them all redirected to my own account quietly when you were not looking. It's okay, morals are not important. Someone else did that to 1000 sex lines last week, so I am okay.

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Basically, you have to do a morality check on yourself. Understand that there are people who will look at your choices and decide if they want to do business with you or not on that basis. How you personally choose will affect how those other people look at you...

You are free to do what you want. Enjoy it.

Alex

I don't follow you Rawalex nor am I trying to start a war or defend anyone. I'm guilty for buying ads through the AVN AD Network (as I found out yesterday here).

You are promoting sponsors that run ads on the AVN Ad Network too.
So aren't you guilty too?

Yeah, your phone sex line threat is a reality that I have been dealing with for a long time... It happens.

suddenly, ever play the six degrees of Kevin Bacon? Everyone in the world pretty much can be related to Kevin Bacon in about 6 steps or less.

I promote a sponsor that buys ad space from a company the is partners in a business that manages ad space for a company that steals bandwidth and content.

If you read the other threads, you will see that I have taken sponsors and AVN itself to task on the issue, and now Adbrite is no longer the Fusker ad sales channel of choice (they use engage now, I think).

There is one sponsor I use a fair bit right now that not so quietly uses Guba and Fusker type sites to promote their business. Even when the issues have been pointed out, they continue. I am in the process of dropping that sponsor, in the manner that I don't promote AFF or knowingly link to free sites or galleries that promote them.

I can have morals and still work in this business. You might want to try it :)

As for the phone sex line thing, would you just say "that's nice"? Would you be happy is someone wrote spyware that redirect 50% of your page surfers to another site? Would that be acceptable, because it is only a little theft? Would 60% make it worse?

Alex

suddenlysex - the majority of this board - Jim & myself included - are very anti-AVN. AVN is great for the video community, but they stink as far as webmasters & their people have agreed with us on things like the Vegas Internext convention, which by their own admission is not for webmasters.

That being said, I do not use Adbrite & I try to not link to sites that promote them, mostly because they allowed fusker & others to use them before legit webmasters bitched about it & they dragged their feet after they were called out on it.

Sites like fusker would close if they had no revenue coming it, so it only makes sense for legit webmasters to shun them & those who support them.

Well said Greenie |thumb

It's one thing to promote one of those sponsors unknowingly. It's something else entirely to be informed about the issues and choose to continue doing so...and then play it off as though morals don't matter in this business because it's PORN.

It's been my experience that morals and ethics are pretty closely tied to one another. If a person is bereft of one, they're most likely lacking in both. In my opinion, that's a person to be avoided by honest, ethical business people who treat the adult industry as a business.

Thanks for making that clear for me Greenguy. My main industry that I promote is much different than you, jim and the board for sure. So the fusker looser sites don't really have the same impact on me as your link list sites.

I don't come here much so I'm not up to speed on the fusker bullchit. But man, Rawalex was right about the phone sex scrapers that hit my industry in the face. I've been ripped big time more than once (much more ;(

This is a good example how adult boards like this help (us) Webmasters
grow and become successful. I'm not the one that came here trying to get paid advertisements from anyone through the AVN network. I just came here and discovered a big fusker deal about it and thought, holy-shit I've been dealing with AVN for a long time what's going on?"

You get your pictures stolen I get my phone sex lines stolen... I hate those thieves.

I also hated those math word problems in school RAWALEX!

Just my last comment here though, I visited all the link listers that made comments on this thread and I see AVN advertised sites everywhere. That's when I spoke up...not realizing the fusker deal, but again that is why these adult boards kick ass for us all to learn and grow.... Speaking of "grow" I'm going to go smoke now ;) and visit these fuskerer sites that are rippin you guys. I don't even know what kind of scraping they are doing to you. Christ maybe my phone sex operator biosonline are fuskered... Then I would be double fuskered.

Peace all.

ouch mrYum... I am not the one promoting these sponsors with the knowledge of fusker and playing it off moraly. Check your host, check all of your sponsors and get rid of them if they promote with AVN. Check Rawalex's sig as he's promoting other webmasters to sign up directly to AVN advertisers directly in his sig.

Just to clarify things, I have no sites with content, so fusker's existence has no monetary effect on me or my business.

But that doesn't mean that I'm going to support them or those associated with them, because in the end, thieves are thieves.

Suddenly, you need to get a grip. Six degrees of seperation, it is an important thing.

Adbrite is the arm of AVN which does these ads. They don't take fusker or GUBA in their magazine, nor have then taken booth space or sponsorship at their shows, etc.

Did you know that the company hosting yoru phone lines might also be hosting for gambling, or escort services, or hundreds of other potentially illegal or immoral businesses? Do you care?

Actually, many of those same sponsors are also sponsors here, so you better leave now and avoid get any of their sponsor cooties on your.

dumbass.

Alex

Rawalex, you need to get a grip. Six degrees of seperation, it is an important thing.

AVN which does these ads is the arm of Adbrite . They don't take fusker or GUBA in their magazine, nor have then taken booth space or sponsorship at their shows, etc.

Did you know that the company hosting yourlinklist might also be hosting for gambling, or escort services, or hundreds of other potentially illegal or immoral businesses? Do you care?

Actually, many of those same sponsors are also sponsors here, so you better leave now and avoid get any of their sponsor cooties on your.

dumbass.

Suddenlysex