Shhh! Don't talk like that! You'll give me nightmares... |couch|

is there money to be made? of course, by you or me? that depends. i've wondered for almost 3 years (can't believe its been that long already) if it wasnt all just a carrot on a string. i've had some short stretches of decent money, and longer ones of little. of course people make money, but you should make sure you prepare to not make any or little to start off with. but i could be wrong and maybe everyone else started off a bit different and were rich in days.

For me, it's been nothing but an uphill struggle to gain space in the market, and to figure out how to capitalize on that tiny space in the market I have carved out.

I can say that I have noticed a strong connection between steady growth in sales and time/energy spent working towards long-term goals. :D

This would be a great place to start with the massive TGPs... so what if it's only a nominal fee comparable to a 2 or 3 day trial. At least it's something, and it would start driving home the idea that if you want to see porn, you've got to pay for it. Especially when you consider that so many of these TGPs are now requiring "partner accounts" to list a gallery... they want you to pay them, so you can provide them with content to give away. Things are getting really turned around with that idea. If we're really going to be "partners", how about charging an entrance fee and letting posters make some money back.

agreed and i should have added that in my post as well and to add to that, for me at least, it is the hardest to stay motivated and focused when you are struggling to start out, so be prepared for that as well.

It is really hard to stay focused and motivated at times, especially when You don't see a sale for days... God knows I get my down periods where i don't do anything for a couple of days, and I struggle to get past those times. When I get those down periods now, I start working on a small new project, like a new mini hub or something, or a big new project, like totally redoing my LL( I am doing this to 1 of them right now) this project has no deadline, so I don't NEED it to be done right now, so I can drop it for a week or a month when I feel like doing other things again, and get going on that "not so important" project again when I feel like it.

The key is definately to stay motivated during the upstart and during slow periods.

Let me just clear this entire thing up. YOU CAN MAKE MONEY.

Send me some money and I'll show you how to make money :)

As much I don'l like to pay for submit passes I believe it's perfectly OK for TGP's to charge money for submits. If you want their traffic you need to pay for it.

The real reason for this change in TGPs is that there are too many sponsor hosted galleries available, so TGP owners could easily fill their sites with only hosted galleries with their link codes. I see paid submit passes just as additional income for TGP owners and as adding a bit of variety on the side.

That sounds like a deal that I can't pass up.... Where do I send it and how much?

This story might give you a little insight into how much money can be made http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...violetblue.DTL .

Here is the real answer.

Yes, there is money in porn. There is also money in Ebay.

It all comes down to hard work.

You can work 40 hrs at a cubicle job or work 40+ around the clock from home.

I just came off a project that would have taken a company two weeks to complete. I stayed up for over 48hrs to complete the project for my client, all wrapped up nicely and paid upon delivery.

Beside hardwork you also need a tolerance to stay up in front of a computer for hours upon hours.

Anyway, I am looking for local MySQL and PHP programmers <<--- You know where to find me.

It was possible back in the day, but I don't think so now. When I started I was completly broke with a shitty job as an office cleaner, part time. I'd just spent a year in a 'puter school that tried to teach me how to behave and dress for a business environment. I was very lucky, I emailed a guy who had a string of porn sites I was frequenting, and asked him if there was any money in it. Not only did he say yes, but he told me in about 4 paragraphs the basics of how to get me some :D
I followed his advice and within six months I had so much dough I never thought I'd be able to spend it all, so I kept buying content (well over 100K worth per year) and putting up more and bigger sites, hired a bunch of people to do most of the grunt work for me while I worked on ideas and deals mostly.
Sales started dropping around early 2002, just when I started taking a ton of time off and getting involved in politics. The Biz coasted until early 2005 when my accountant advised me to go bankrupt, so I did. That was very good for me, because my income was no longer going to credit cards and tax people, and I coasted a bit more, as sales kept dropping.
I hit bottom a year ago and got my ass in gear again, then I got sick for 3 freakin' months. My Doc told me afterwards that he thought I was a dead man walking, but I surprised him and beat it.
So I really didn't start going full steam and working the maniac hours that made me successful the first time until May of this year.
My income started rising again, but very slowly, and very slowly it started to snowball, slowly. No where near as fast as the first time around, but it is happening again, and I'm confident that this time around will be better than last time, because I've had the big bucks before, and know how I spent them. Also, I've got over 1,000 CD's of content, so I only buy what I really like now, I'm not buying for filler like I used to. Content was my biggest expense, now I really don't have any expense other than bandwidth so I'm running a much tighter ship.

Man, did I ever buy some useless shit when I thought I was rich |loony| I'm sitting here looking at a shortwave radio I paid 3K for and listen to every 2 or 3 months, got a top notch TV I very rarely watch, a stereo in the living room I never listen to, just crap. I did buy a house though, smartest thing I did.

Starting out fresh, though, would be very difficult indeed, still doable but difficult. I've had the good fortune to have dealt with and known a lot of solid honest players in this biz, a lot of them on this board, some on other boards, and have kept my reputation as a solid guy who doesn't dick people around. I've also been burned before, but the good outnumber the bad in this biz by a higher ratio than most businesses I'm sure.

It is a very rewarding, fun, biz to be in, but like all good things, work is the key, and diversifying saves your ass.

Good post Sheep,

I will be better prepared to spend my riches. :D Of course, that is after I get them! |thumb

But your post inspired me, thank you.

SheepGuy I love that post. I think many have been in a similar position but maybe on a lesser scale. It seems to be that we all need it to come around twice before we appreciate what we have.

Smart people can make a lot of money in the adult business but probably in every other business too. People like you, with bad english, no knowdledge, no money to invest and without doing a lot of research first cannot make money here, simple as that.

I'm in PA. ICQ me if interested.

I've been reading this thread and I have some experience as a former .com'er that I can throw in. If you want to make money in this business then treat it as just that: a business. Do your homework and understand what you are investing in so that you can make your investments count. Don't go off throwing money down a rat hole because someone said there's a mountain of gold to be made in those hills.

As much as everyone wants immediate profits (and it's disappointing when money doesn't just "walk in the door" as fast as we want it to) it's far better in the long run to look around and try not repeat mistakes others have made. That doesn't mean you can't experiment (because there's no uniform "recipe for success"), but unless you have a pile of cash under your matress try not to make those experiments costly ones. I went with a pair of pros to put together my current site, but that's because I can afford it and because I want to start off this venture on the right foot. However, I'm moving along slowly and carefully to understand all the options before me and choose among them carefully so I don't waste money and time. The most important advice above all is play fair.

Deal with others honestly when you're trying to build your business and you'll find many partners waiting, screw people over and you've just screwed yourself out of your own business. It's going to take work to establish relationships, but it's not hard to break them. Unfortunately, there are those who don't care, but they'll come and go.

This may sound like a bunch of common sense, but as a former .com'er, former military, and a person with a B.S. in Management (and who's now in the process of going for his M.S. in Management) it never ceases to amaze me to see the amount of people who wander through life like they never got past a king of the sand box mentality.

I clipped my toe nails this morning.

I resisted laughing at this a whole lot, but I couldnt help myself

that shit was FUH-NEE!


spaz

yes! and it surely does...
porn is everywhere!

|bananna| |bananna| |bananna|

I'm a newbie but how does one purchase content? Perhaps I should start my own studio =p

It is something I have recently just started, before checking any of the following, cheapest is NOT always best, cheap means probably oversold..

rockbottomcontent (dot) com
web-legal (dot) com
nevest (dot) net

http://www.greenguysboard.com/resources/content.html :D

You could probably make a fair amount of dough if you offered some sort of keyboard drycleaning service for webmasters.

Grasshopper,
The keywords to all these secrets are found in the glyphs

traffic clicks sales money

Try different variations of these in a sentence. Great mysteries are revealed. Or, so I was told.|huh