There are various ways of making money from paysites. You mentioned high PPS payments to affiliates. With many of these sites, the subscription money is, or should be, only part of the site owner's income. Even with sites built to never rebill, the program makes more money from x-sales along with some shady tricks (described in a thread here not too long ago). It is not simple and it's easy to lose money if you don't know exactly what you're doing. They need to average more per sale, so they can pay X amount of money to the referring affiliate.

If you're not one of the sharks who knows how to properly manage a PPS model, you're bound to lose a lot of money.

Then there's the more traditional concept where you make a quality site, meant to rebill, and make your money from the rebills. Those programs usually operate on the revshare model, so affiliates are making money from the rebills as well. Papa here operates that kind of site, by that model. However, you most certainly don't have to produce content in order to run a paysite. You can get exclusive or non-exclusive content, or both, without ever touching a camera or seeing a model.

If you're just looking for ways to get laid, there are services for that, and they're cheaper than producing porn ;) Ask Papa here how much he paid for legal services alone, before he set up his business... and no, it's not the only thing you pay for - there are TONS of expenses, especially if you want to produce the content yourself.

Same here. I just don't want the obligation of having to manage a paysite. And I definitely don't want to have to deal with content production. It's great for some people, but not for me.

Hey Papa, what's a tipi shop?

Tipi Shop - place where overworked and under paid women make Native American tipis - also known as tepees or teepees.

The tipi shop also doubles as my photo studio where we get a bit crazy at times.

You will also see a few tipis in some of my nasty work - including the one featured in my very first freesite and a bunch of the Real Colorado Girls episodes are filmed in the tipi or greenhouse tipi in my back yard

Now that I posted this, I'll be getting folks calling and asking if they can get a tipi complete with a Real Colorado Girl.... :D

So, Papa, you own a tipi shop? Just curious, who buys tee pees, I mean, who is your target demographic? I'm not trying to be facetious, I'm just curious.

I remember reviewing your first freesite, that you mentioned above, even though it was quite a while ago. It stood out, in a good way.

Most of our customers put their tipis in their back yards or on their 2nd property in the mountain, on the river, lake etc...

We do have a few reenactment customers, a few commercial customers, we sell a few to different Native American groups, and we've done a lot of movies. Dream Keeper, Into the West, Hidalgo, Peter Pan, Comanche Moon and more.

A tipi is much cheaper than a cabin and can get you out enjoying that lake-side or mountain property that you might not otherwise enjoy without some sort of shelter there.

I wake up to a teepee every morning, it's called morning glory or piss proud. :D

Is there a big startup or setup fee to use ccbill.

no, signing up for CCBill is free. There is a $750 fee for visa.

If you don't have the $750 for VISA, how the hell you gonna pay for the content, hosting, legal, etc.....

And since the majority of my members pay with VISA, it's a must - not an option.

We spend a few grand every month on "talent", a decent chunk on production costs (camera, editing, etc..) a few hundred on hosting, and that leaves precious little (nothing) for me.

Starting your own paysite is no cheap undertaking - I'm still on the investing phase of a 5-year business plan but things are on track and we expect to start seeing a return in the next few month. My total investment is well into the five-figures (closer to six) so it may take a while for me to see a full return on the investment but I'm in this for the long run not the weekly paycheck.

yea, if you can't afford the $750, you shouldn't even think of opening a paysite.

I wasnt thinking of opening a porn site, I already work about 15 hours a day(Also dont think the wife would like the part about me having sex with other women).
Whats the reason for charging 750 take visa. I have a merchent account for adult novelty items and my setup fee was way less than 750

adult paysites are considered high-risk and thats where they justify the charge. it sucks to have to pay but is really a pretty minor expense compared to everything else involved in running paysites.

Did you ever hear the story about why the dog licks his balls?

Because he CAN! |headbang|

lol

Ok you guys...

Let me give you a touch of reality.

Papa's stories are great and that is why I am still here. Someone that old with such virility can be great a motivator. HEHEHE Luv you Papa

buuut. and this is a big but...

Please read CD34's post again and let that post absorb in your brain really good if you want to be an illustrious paysite owner.

Owning a paysite or a program is pure hell !!! I'm putting that in a nice way.

Sure having Jessica Valentino, Emilianna and Jasmine Tame coming to the door naked, flashing tittie or even asking"does my pussy look good?" is nice but.... who gives a shit about that when rent is due and hosting is over due :(

Getting the right traffic to the right niche would have been nice before I started my little program. Also your content provider should be on the up and up. I hear stories about mine being a used carsalesman "After" I spend 6 months designing sites geared toward exclusive content |banghead|

Anyway.... if you have traffic to your niche and web sites before you go into your program. You will be fine. If you are a newbie looking to start a porn paysite project dream. Stick with your freesites and "Converting sponsors".

Hence the siggy that has been feeding the fam :)

BTW I did get a sale from my program while posting but that's 29.95 in the last month. Oh yah and I'll be working as a cook at some dive bar till this shit gets better. My shift is football Sunday starting today and 3 nights during the weekdays |bullshit|

Sorry if I burst anyones bubble... but I just had to do it :( After reading T-Pat's post in the Blog section I thought I'd chime in somewhere.

OK - I lied - or at least did something I don't normally do - I just "auditioned" one of the new girls that Diva brought by - it was her first three-some and it was a hell of a lot of fun! |bananna|

I didn't "finish" cuz I have a shoot in a few hours and I need to be able to "work" - both the girls finished though - so I guess that makes me a the looser :D

I have a "sister" shoot with a new petite baby-faced girl in 12 hours and another one with the newly "auditioned" girl on Monday.....









It's a tough job........... but somebody's got to do it

Let me know if you need a stunt double...|jester|

Next time I have to fuck three girls on a motorcycle while jumping six burning buses I'll give you a call.... :D

Three girls? *perk*

NEXT time??? lol

Three didn't phase me a bit, Papa's the "Pussy Meister"! |bow|Papa

How much money does it actually take to get a paysite started and up and running? If it cost $750 just for the Visa fee how much could someone end up spending on legal advice, camera equipment, modeling fees, and other unforeseen expenses? I'm just curious?


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I'm just guessing but if your doing gonzo/reality type stuff and your doing the fucking,directing,and editing on your own I bet it would be around 10 grand.Am I close |pimpin papagmp ?

Great thread!!