No I most certainly do not, I would not do that myself. The error you highlighted was an oversight pure and simple on my part mate nothing more.

Smiths this was never a personal issue. Honestly. You made the thread just an hour after you sent your email. I hadn't even seen the reply to that point. This couldve been settled, with a quick..damn, sorry I fucked up...Like I said Im not a fly by night guy, nor am I a prick. Quite honestly, I had always thought for the most part your sites were done well. I had sent a few responses back in regards to using blind reciprocal links within your recip tables but ALWAYS gave you the benefit of the doubt but I was still seeing the same thing half the time. It kind of got me searching and thats when I came across the fake recips.

All I ask is for an honest true submission and within the rules (even bent to some small extent without breaking) But using a fake recip table is just further than I can go. Being a fairly new link list, I don't expect those that don't know me to submit me with the top sites, Im grateful when they do, as I am friends with many of them, but I do ask that I get the respect of at least having true recips, because not for nothing, Im giving away my traffic, no matter the size, I should at least have the opportunity to receive a little back. As the ole addage states - one hand washes the other.

I can attest to the number of shit site submissions going up - my blacklist is growing by the day it seems - and a lot of it is blatant rule violations - Enter links at the top of the page, 10+ outgoing links per page, etc.

Ok heres my view from a submission point of view;

I would much rather submit to a 'group' of LL that list and update, as a submiter it is not always an easy thing to do and my only means I have to decide how to group sites are

1 - an email to confirm the listing = 1*
2 - Physical traffic = 2*
3 - No email or traffic = 0*

Then within the 1 & 2* I boost them based on partner accounts and well known lists.

If I could half the size of my submission list and know (assuming sites are built right) and all were listed this appeals more to me.

As a submitter I really rely on the feedback from the LL declined emails are kept and I go through them and try my best to amend the issues, if I cant then I delete the LL from my list, for example some may mail me and expect to be listed with the top top LL - er sorry this cant be done or they will get the hump.

What you have said about the recip tables was to me really valid feedback.

Thanks for the compliments too on the free sites I make, I have found a number of issues with developing them browser support is not easy to overcome, my stlyes being corrupted - I think this is what Meat got through.

This is a very tough job and often a very isolated one which is why feedback to me is paramount :)

A bug with some submission is the inclusion of a cheaky link in the footer and or Webmaster links & links to about 5 anti porn sites / filter sites.

Go to whois...call the number try getting their spouse on the phone a lot of times they can be more resonable...

I build and submit too. So that's understood.

As for the #'s above.. I only send out rejection emails, or emails addressing certain small things that hopefully will be worked on for future submits. Depending on the categories a submission can take anywhere between 5 and 10 days to be listed.

Just as submitters are always working to better their sites, so are owners. We constantly tweak and try new ways and techniques. Some work some don't.

bluebrit was nice enough today to email me with a 404 link booboo I had when I did a copy/paste and messed it up. So after I smacked myself in the head, I fixed the link and swore to be more careful in the future. I do create these sites by hand but I'm human sometimes I mess up. :P

something simple catches me out even still from time to time as I can not pick it up in testing

thats it '.JPG' '.jpg' when I test it all looks fine even when published it works in most browsers though it fails in others. It can drive you mad trying to figure it out I can tell you

I can be as guilty as any one here. I do make my mistakes but they are never ever intentional. I never have and never will set out to deceive anyone. When my fellow webmasters and LL owners catch a mistake, I am always grateful and work to correct it immediately. I also work a full time job outside my adult realm, so I am not always coding pages with a clear mind. I now finish a site one day, review and submit to the first table the 2nd, and everyone else the 3rd day just to be safe.

I do use placeholder recips when I am first building a site to aid in the design. Do I upload them and not submit? Sometimes. It's usually the need for 40 hours in a 24 hour day. Is it intentional? Never. I still get a thrill over being listed, so the sites I list on my free sites DO exist, and are real. Just ask me if you doubt.

Is some of it just honest brain farts? or is it the same mistake over and over again? I may be guilty of blind links at times because I am so busy trying to write better sales text that I don't always remember to regurgitate the paysite name. Nudge me gently, and I will fix.. I promise. I usually only need one nudge, and not the same one over and over. And I do highly respect constructive criticism.

And SmithsMedia, the work and lurk is so helpful at finding those.

Pagan, to be honest this thread wasn't about mistakes and overlooks. It was more a trend that I see, as Im sure many others do as well, of those being in the industry long enough to know the rules..bend those rules just far enough and push the envelope. It wasn't singling any one particular person out, but more of a blanket statement to the continued state of Adult. Tough times, call for desperate measures in some cases. That "little extra" can sometimes go a long way, when it's all added up together.

What I think needs to be done more is a better "policing" of things, to ensure that our industry isn't run into the ground and that we will all continue to have a piece of the pie. We need to work together as a group of knowledgeable individuals and make it a community once again. Although its a very personal, 1 on 1 type of business at times, we need to work together in many ways to make sure that tomorrow is a better day.

I'm going to take a step back here.

Right at the time of Jester and nochex issues over the fake recip tables (which I really hate, really put my recips with any others where there is at least a chance of being listed I can accept...but putting me with fake recips pisses me off) I can understand those errors might be due to auto submit software, but if you use AS software at least check what it is doing before submitting.

During this time period I was already getting pissed at auto submitters filling in submits completely wrong with no human intervention or oversight, and the horrible structure of the sites the AS software generates (keyword-1, same keyword-2, same keyword-3, same keyword-ad infinitum/folder1, folder2, folder3, etc/folder1, folder2, etc and thus getting links submitted to megaporn as trannyorgy-1/1/2/ and the same site to sexy smut as trannyorgy-2/1/1, etc
Not to mention getting sites submited with two of my recips on them but diff urls with my site name in them such as trannyorgy-c4fun/2/1 and trannyorgy-mpl/1/2

So the auto submitting by regulars is pissing me off

But I did not ban nochex for that...but was perhaps quick to pull the trigger after getting several sites over a few days from nochex with hidden enter links and redirects...AND sending rejection emails with those reasons and 2 days later getting the same issues again from him.
Perhaps he never saw the emails from meatpounder at meatpounder.com due to spam filters or bad email address in his submitals, but they were sent and as far as I knew ignored.

So I banned him and when he tried to submit again the banned message caught his attention

I am pretty liberal in what I will accept, and I believe in second, third or more chances (that's why I turned on notification of being banned at all three link lists...so submitters would know they were banned and would have a chance to contact me and work it out...heck several banned by lady designer and murray have been taken off the ban lists by me after contacting me)

I will remove nochex off the ban list and allow you to submit again (if you want), but first put my email addy on your safe list in case I reject a site (or use a valid one if that happens to be the case), and second if I reject your site for some reason ( I say the reason in my email) do not submit a site 2 days later with the same problem

see.. look at this everyone is making up... Cmon.. Group hug

BTW HowlingWulf

Did your 404 redirect to ANOTHER DOMAIN?

Cheers - I will get your sites added again and sorted out, if tyou see anyting you do not like just raise it with me I will fix it up, the LL in your sig are these the only ones?

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is that a new catergory |lol|

Its good I feel like a grown up again and not a 3 year old.

No just a simple page


404 Not Found

The link you were trying to access does not exist.

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My biggest problem is that when I clearly stated in my rules that "NO POP-UPS" I still getting fs with sponsors links full of shitty CONSOLES. |banghead|

Money is tight, and some don't want to lose 5-10 bucks per signup by going no-console, no cross sale. Some don't know you have to LOOK for the premium special links. If they are pulling the links out of the emails the sponsors send, that is probably the way it happens. I have made the mistake before of using consoles, but fixed it quickly.

Now, if submits are down, that means there are not as many of us out there making sites. We might be able to persuade the better sponsors to offer us this "premium" level of service. Most of us do not buy content anymore - sponsors give us so much for free it is almost crazy. Maybe instead of grousing at the messenger, we need to work on the sponsors? Do they really want to be known for putting out all those popups and annoying traps, or would they rather be known for great porn, fair deals, and listening to their affiliates?

One other thing we can try as LL owners. When we see stuff with pop-ups why not label it as such? Wendy Webmistress sends me a great freesite, but it has consoles on it. I will list it, but I will also add to the description "Consoles" so that the surfer is aware. If Wendy is smart, she will check to see if I listed her site and take the hint. If she does, she learns to choose sponsors AND links carefully. If not, I know I did my part.

Maybe if you defined No Pop UPs a little better. No pop ups on the free site or the sponsor tour?

You are right. I should write more details into my rules and be more specific.

BTW .Consoles on free site ?

It used to happen ... and IIRC it used to be allowed waaaaaay back in the day.

Neither - Even install prompts the "pop up" will get you denied (I am rethinking this one, as the link clearly stated "Click here to install Virtuagirl", but most likely that will be a reject in the future.)