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CCBill_Paul 2009-04-10 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleo (Post 447634)
So to be clear on this...
If FoxyAngel moves to the new system we could make a new tour for the new system and the old tour using the old system would also continue tracking sales for the affiliates that didn't want to switch and for all the old links that affiliates have.

Yes, you could do that no problem. Making a new tour would not be altogether necessary but with all the new features it might be a good idea.

Cleo 2009-04-10 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CCBill_Paul (Post 447637)
Yes, you could do that no problem. Making a new tour would not be altogether necessary but with all the new features it might be a good idea.

Wouldn't the codes on the join links change with the new system and no longer properly credit affiliate traffic still using the old codes?

For sites that have a php front end, like FoxyAngel, it probably gets more complicated.

Beaver Bob 2009-04-10 11:49 AM

Thats a nice idea cleo.

CCBill_Paul 2009-04-10 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleo (Post 447641)
Wouldn't the codes on the join links change with the new system and no longer properly credit affiliate traffic still using the old codes?

For sites that have a php front end, like FoxyAngel, it probably gets more complicated.

No, the join links for sponsors will not change, this will only affect the banner linking code for affiliates ie the refer.ccbill.com links.

Cleo 2009-04-10 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Beaver Bob (Post 447643)
Thats a nice idea cleo.

Yeah FoxyAngel has a bunch of old forgotten tours that are left on the server so that any old links will still get credit. No big deal to duplicate a tour to use a new system.

Greenguy 2009-04-10 12:02 PM

Let's say I'm a paysite owner & I have my affiliates using URL's for hosted galleries that look like this:

http://www.domain.com/gallery01/?581222

How do I get those URL's to work with the new system?

I ask this because pretty much EVERY affiliate program uses something similar to what I posted.

Cleo 2009-04-10 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenie (Post 447651)
Let's say I'm a paysite owner & I have my affiliates using URL's for hosted galleries that look like this:

http://www.domain.com/gallery01/?581222

How do I get those URL's to work with the new system?

I ask this because pretty much EVERY affiliate program uses something similar to what I posted.

This is why whenever FoxyAngel had a change to the linking codes we duplicated the tour and had the new linking codes point to the new tour leaving the old tour in place to be forgotten but not deleted.

This allowed us to do new galleries with the new linking code to point to the new tour without affecting any of the old stuff.

Greenguy 2009-04-10 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleo (Post 447653)
...This allowed us to do new galleries with the new linking code to point to the new tour without affecting any of the old stuff.

But then 1/2 the links are on the old admin & 1/2 are on the new fancy admin. I'd have thought/hoped that they would have thought of this ahead of time & had an easy solution that didn't involve changing EVERY link code if you wanted to take advantage of the new stats admin.

Toby 2009-04-10 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenie (Post 447665)
I'd have thought/hoped that they would have thought of this ahead of time & had an easy solution that didn't involve changing EVERY link code if you wanted to take advantage of the new stats admin.

Yes, that would have been an ideal solution, but when you're talking about implenting changes across such a large high volume database while it remains online and stable, there are simply some limitations to what can be done.

Beaver Bob 2009-04-10 04:08 PM

how about webmaster referral in the new system??

CCBill_Paul 2009-04-10 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Beaver Bob (Post 447683)
how about webmaster referral in the new system??

Referrals in the new system work exactly as they did in the old system.

CCBill_Paul 2009-04-10 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenie (Post 447651)
Let's say I'm a paysite owner & I have my affiliates using URL's for hosted galleries that look like this:

http://www.domain.com/gallery01/?581222

How do I get those URL's to work with the new system?

I ask this because pretty much EVERY affiliate program uses something similar to what I posted.

We are currently working on some solutions for this but at this time this functionality does not exist in the new system.

Greenguy 2009-04-10 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCBill_Paul (Post 447686)
We are currently working on some solutions for this but at this time this functionality does not exist in the new system.

That's VERY disappointing & honestly should have been a PRIORITY since most, if not all affiliate programs that have hosted materials use a similar system.

Toby - you can't tell me that there is no way to incorporate an account number into this new system. That just stupid.

Greenguy 2009-04-10 05:32 PM

I refuse to believe that no one at CCBill thought it'd be a good idea for the new system to take the CA and PA portion from this:
Code:

http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=924527-0000&PA=501671
and insert it into the new code. Hell, what part of the paysite's acct number & affiliate's acct number is useless to the new system?

I'm honestly speechless at the stupidity of this.

CCBill_Paul 2009-04-10 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenie (Post 447694)
I refuse to believe that no one at CCBill thought it'd be a good idea for the new system to take the CA and PA portion from this:
Code:

http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=924527-0000&PA=501671
and insert it into the new code. Hell, what part of the paysite's acct number & affiliate's acct number is useless to the new system?

I'm honestly speechless at the stupidity of this.

Those values are inserted into the enrypted string located in the new linking code. For example: http://wms.ccbill.com/wmsct/w_id/fo6...SLvJPZb2tsWMs*

Greenguy 2009-04-10 06:36 PM

So this code:
http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...0000&PA=501671
is tracked by the new system?

CCBill_Paul 2009-04-10 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenie (Post 447700)
So this code:
http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...0000&PA=501671
is tracked by the new system?

No. That code will continue to work with the old features and old reports but if you want to use the new reports and new features of the WMS you will have to use the new linking code.

Trixie 2009-04-10 08:13 PM

Are any sponsors using it yet? We're on the list to add it (understanding the old way will run concurrently for affiliates who want to keep using the old way) but I would love to sign up as an affiliate to any sponsors who're using it right now to see.

I have no expectations that everything will be perfect, but I'm still really excited to be able to customize delivery of promos and stuff to affiliates and as an affiliate myself, I hope that smaller sponsors like myself will be able to market themselves more effectively to me and other affiliates and have the playing field leveled a bit so we can get more exposure and offer more options.

Greenguy 2009-04-10 10:04 PM

BROWN NOSE!

Greenguy 2009-04-10 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CCBill_Paul (Post 447706)
No. That code will continue to work with the old features and old reports but if you want to use the new reports and new features of the WMS you will have to use the new linking code.

Is there a reason that the old codes do not work with the new admin? Honestly, I'd think that would have been on the top of the list when CCBill wrote up what they'd want the new admin to do.

Meaning, why would you PURPOSELY design an admin that completely left out every existing link code from the last 12+ YEARS?

Preacher 2009-04-11 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trixie (Post 447715)
...I hope that smaller sponsors like myself will be able to market themselves more effectively to me and other affiliates and have the playing field leveled a bit so we can get more exposure and offer more options.

I'd like to see that too. Hopefully this new system will be better than what Epoch promised and failed to deliver on.

CCBill_Paul 2009-04-11 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trixie (Post 447715)
Are any sponsors using it yet? We're on the list to add it (understanding the old way will run concurrently for affiliates who want to keep using the old way) but I would love to sign up as an affiliate to any sponsors who're using it right now to see.

I have no expectations that everything will be perfect, but I'm still really excited to be able to customize delivery of promos and stuff to affiliates and as an affiliate myself, I hope that smaller sponsors like myself will be able to market themselves more effectively to me and other affiliates and have the playing field leveled a bit so we can get more exposure and offer more options.

Currently no one has been moved over to the new system. We will begin the migration process very soon and it should not be long before you can start using the system.

We feel that you will be very pleased with all of the new features and reports.

CCBill_Paul 2009-04-11 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenie (Post 447723)
Is there a reason that the old codes do not work with the new admin? Honestly, I'd think that would have been on the top of the list when CCBill wrote up what they'd want the new admin to do.

Meaning, why would you PURPOSELY design an admin that completely left out every existing link code from the last 12+ YEARS?

Trust me, keeping the old style linking codes was certainly a top priority for us however due to the complexity and amount of new features coupled with the introduction of the unique ID's there was just no way we could pull it off.

Greenguy 2009-04-11 03:37 PM

That's a lie. I refuse to believe that the programmers could not include the paysite's & affiliates code into the new system.

Hell, here's the solution: if my new "unique" account number is 1234567, then have a database that has ALL my old codes in it. Each time it sees one, like 581222 for Amateur facials, replace it with 1234567.

Problem solved.

MadCat 2009-04-11 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CCBill_Paul (Post 447831)
Currently no one has been moved over to the new system. We will begin the migration process very soon and it should not be long before you can start using the system.

We feel that you will be very pleased with all of the new features and reports.

I feel you might want to have a, how shall we say it, open beta for a while first before you go and throw real world traffic at it?


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