Hi All,

Know I'm new, and accept that I know very little about the politics of the industry. However! Being new, and in the position that most newbies find themselves in - some great ideas, some little cash - I've registered and hosted a few [3] domains on revsharehosting.com

It's convenient for me should I get lucky with TGP sites like The Hun. I can't afford 3 or 400 bucks worth of bandwidth right now. So RSH is a stepping stone which I'm pleased to have available

In the future, when my site(s) become as famous as the big noises around here, I'll be able to choose how to host. Now I don't have that option. It's a hard world, and we all need to make the best of what we have at hand.

Just because we new people have to start off at the bottom, just like everyone else who has 'made it', doesn't mean we're all crooked. Maestro isn't perfect, nor is RSH. But how many of us, regardless off 'vintage', reputation and longevity are? He does his best just as you do

Just because YOU haven't f*d up this week doesn't mean you won't. Mistakes are made, solutions are sought. Let's concentrate on getting the a-holes out, and not blaming those who try their best!

Arguements like this just upset people we should try to help, not fight

Hazel - http://www.hazelsharem.com/

Hello hazel

I am not blaming RevShare Hosting
in fact i always thought free hosts provided a valuable service in this industry, I use to use porncity back in the day

I still have several sites there :)

Tommy,

I would love to be able to keep our ip's off blacklists...but it seems that the average tgp owner chooses to work against, rather than with me to help control these problem webmasters. 4-5 years ago...I was submitting everyday and had a GREAT relationship with many of the tgp's. However, now it's been 3 years that I have been running RevShare Hosting and not submitting added with the fact that there are 10 new tgp's every week...and the moral of the story is I can't maintain a personal relationship with everyone which makes it difficult to keep enough of an open dialog with all these tgp owners. I wish there were an easier way to work around the blacklist issues, but until tgp owners are willing to contact me when they have a specific problem instead of just saying 'all RevShare Hosting webmasters are cheaters' then there isn't much I can do. Far too many webmasters in this biz with a serious GOD complex that get much more satisfaction from adding to the eternal blacklist than trying to improve the industry by working to remove/expose the cheating webmasters.

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

Thank you Maestro

Hazel,

There are "mistakes" and there is out and out stealing.... there is a big difference..

As you said ..we have all made mistakes... but hidden text in the base of a page is not a mistake!

Don't think we all just sit here waiting to ban people for the fun of it... Every person/domain/host banned by me and others, has been so for a reason and that reason is based on investigation and experience... That investigation and experience costs me time, money, and surfers.

Revsharehosting has a bad rep with me... It's plain and simple.... a significant % of scammers that I have encountered are hosted there. If I remove that host from the people I do business with, then my workload, frustration and headaches are decreased. thats is a good thing for ME.

DD

Actually I hope that this will be the thread where we can start to solve the problem that has come up in the last two years - I have to agree with the other LL owners here in that I have had to do a blanket B/L of some hosts and IPs - it wasnt based on the few good submitters - they always have submitted great sites for my surfers, and are doing what it takes to succeed.

The concern with some hosts is not the hosting company themselves, but the "few" people that take advantage of the arrangement and set up cheating networks that are pretty visible to anyone using a sophisticated script on submits. This led to banning the hosts, instead of going after the individuals (actually in most cases, groups of submitters working for the same consortium in some foreign countries). We chose to do this because it was the easy answer, although it was fueled by some hosts that tend to attract the cheaters and redirectors not responding after calls to take care of the problem on their end (something they probably couldnt do realistically)

Knowing the time factor involved with submit reviews and the time available to reviewers, I know that the most popular answer to a group of submitters from the same IP range and host is to just do a blanket ban - hell I've done it on many occasions and I don't think I will take someone submitting from hqhost off my list. On the other hand, I have to think that while a high percentage of people from revsharehosting tend to redirect or just do an overall drop of their sites, that we just say with certainty that they must be cheating if they're hosting there - Im a little perplexed as to how to handle the percentages :)

I have always supported "newbie WMs" trying to make it in the biz, as anyone that knows me will affirm, and think that rev sharing hosting definitely has its place in this industry - however I think we need to have an open dialog with the owners of the top providors of this type of hosting to figure out a way to accomodate the people that are really trying to get ahead, and blow out the cheaters with ease.

I'm open for ideas :) ???

Right. I just know I'm going to upset some of the 'old guard', but hey! Perhaps a fresh bit of blood will do some good

RSH ISN'T FREE HOSTING. I know because it costs me every time I make sale! If it was free hosting I would be laughing, except most of my sponsor links would belong to somebody else! So let's get free hosting and revenue sharing apart for a start

Even as a newbie I know a bit about what has been going on over the last 15-18 months. I have taken the time to watch, listen and learn from most of the big guns. I've seen what has been happening with a virtual leaning towards a cartel amongst the bigger LLs

If that's not what you want to hear, or want others to hear, I'm sorry. But it's a fact. Yes. You have a position of strength. Yes. You can dictate to some extent how people can come to you with their offerings. Yes. You can say that black is white, and have many believe

I understand that this business is going through a big change, but take care that you don't try to corner it for yourselves alone. Alienating a million webmasters isn't going to make it better. It will simply 'sanitise' your corner. Everyone else will find refuge elsewhere - perhaps suspect or illegal places. Do we want that?

Yes. We know there's a load of crap out there. Yes. We want 'quality' stuff. But it's a fact that a dozen 'old hands' are not going to become a star chamber and survive. A million small WMs will not put up with it in the long run

So telling a newbie that they can't have sites hosted on RSH, for example, isn't going to make it better for you; It will make it worse for us all

Sorry all, I get steamed because I see so many mountains before me. And I haven't even started to climb

Hazel |sad|

DD, Linkster,

Apologies. It took me so long to 'pen' the last that your entries went before.

Appreciate it's easier to blanket ban than talk to the guy who 'can do'. That's life

How many honest people are dead in th water because of the few?

Hazel

Hazel - I guess my first question to you as I know you have been doin g this a while - how much over a month do you actually give up for hosting this way? I've never seen any real numbers and it is something that needs to be resolved in the back of my mind to make the concept a little clearer (that was clear as mud right? LOL)
I'm interested to know how much you pay from your sales to host with a "rev sharing hoster" :)

Linkster...the overall numbers of what it 'costs' a given webmaster are at both extremes. However, in the end our webmasters 'pay' about 15% of their total revenue to host with RevShare Hosting. We have a few programs that are a bit higher...and a few that are a bit lower. The point is that our business model is successful for our webmasters and our approved sponsors, it's unfortunate that it turns into such a hot topic among the tgp owners. We have webmasters that are lucky to make a sale once a month...but they are still excited about that. We have webmasters on 4-5 dedicated servers all of their own...burning up 100mbs of bandwidth...but yes, they are doing 100+ sales/week to justify it. We have established some excellent relationships with many of our RSH webmasters...many have been hosting with us for 2-3 years and continue to be very successful. No webmaster hosting with RevShare Hosting is losing money in a bad week/month because they got 1 too many Hun listings and 10 too few sales...there really is something to be said for having your hosting be a fixed % of your sales.

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

Hi Linkster,

It's a fair question, and no real secret. The deal is free, bannerless hosing for an overrid [or referal] on your sale(s), plus RSH has a deal with several sponsors [my main is TopBucks] for an extra $5 per pop

So as rotten as it sounds, but it's my choice until I get better [right?], I basically pay RSH the five bucks per sale for the trouble of hosting.

I know it doesn't sound economical, but I'm brand new and only getting about one sale a fortnight at the moment because nobody wants to 'up' my traffic with trades, submit with such a wee amount of traffic [catch 22]

If I made 3 sales a month that's $15. Not so different to most vitual hosts

Hazel

Hazel,

There is a fair bit of history with revsharehosting and many of the linklist owners that post here...

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...evsharehosting
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...evsharehosting
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...evsharehosting


Short answer is RevShareHosting is classed as free hosting by most of us as, there is no outlay on the part of the webmaster before they can submit sites to me(us) - that makes it free..

.. and yes we have had the "it costs me a %" argument...

DD

DD,

I'm not about to get into a 'flame' war over it. Appreciate that you are unhappy with the whole setup

Personally I see it as my only way into the whole mix for the time being. If that means you being bitter, and shunning me, even in good faith, I would never hold that against you. I DO understand your point of view

All I'm saying is can't you talk with Maestro? Perhaps he can take a wee bit load from your back if you tell him the problems you're having with his 'charges'

I'll be honest with you, DD, I've watched you become quite bitter on this board over the last 6-7 months. While I can sympathise to an extent, I think you need to get together with those who cause you grief and sort it out - one way or another! Because I'm swavering over whether or not to take you off my links list. The way you feel is putting a lot of good, honest folk off of you

I know it's not my place to dictate, but I'm gonna make this work for me. With or without you 'experts' - Lets try to make the business work for us, not tare us appart

Hugs n Smoochies

Hazel |smooch|

Well I can say that the greenguy and jim board will help and answer anyone that comes in the door but the fact is RSH or free hosts just have a bad rap and its to bad that the cheaters have ruined it because it is a good thing for tgping when your starting out and cant gamble on sales vs BW..

Also as time goes on and most all major LL and tgps go paid submits how are the RSH webmasters going to have a chance at traffic..

The RSHs should have there own traffic pumps down the road..

And this may sound shitty But you cant let every one with a pc do this that can get a web editor for free and hosting for free - Hell there will be more webmasters than porn surfers.. IMHO

Plateman...there seems to be this misunderstanding that I'll accept just any webmaster into our program that can send me an email, that is just not true. We have not had an 'open door' policy to join RevShare Hosting for more than 18 months. I accept new webmaster by pre-approval only...and then only after getting the right questions to a half-dozen questions and seeing some examples of their work. I would say that about 75% of the webmasters I allow to join are direct referrals from our current webmasters or our approved sponsors who have a webmaster that they feel would benefit by being with RSH. Our number of webmasters, bandwidth and revenue all grow at about the exact same pace every month...and most is from our current webmasters getting bigger and bigger, I just don't see this cause/effect that you are predicting when I look at our current trends.

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

ya know Dave hazel is right about you being bitter lately |jester|

when ever I get the chance I wanna make it clear to the hosting companys that this problem hurts them as much as it hurts us

Okay. This has been a great post and thread. Lets just call it quits :)

Hope you all get what you want. I'll just go and do what it takes to make the Harem 'one-of-the-best', or better :)

If you don't like what I say, we'll beg to differ

Hugsn Smoochies

Hazel

Bitter? Moi?

Just because I have an opinion, that is not yours does not make me bitter.

Just because I stick to my opinions and don't compromise my stance, does not make me bitter.


Tommy.. you know deep down I really love you... |smooch|


Hazel,

What "you" do has no bearing on what I do, how I feel, or my opinions on revsharehosting.

If you chose not to link to me.. that is "your" decision and you are welcome to it..

If I chose not to link to you because you are revsharehosted, that is my opinion/right/decision, and I have to live with the consequences, as I always have.

There is no bitterness in my words.. just words..

"Bitteness is in the eye of the beholder"

DD
(.. and fuckin thieves are still fuckin thieves.)

I think we can all agree there. |greenguy|

Is that one for the good guys or one for the bad guys |jester|

Aye, I know that DD

Like I said, I believe you are bitter. Like you said, It's all about choices. I don't expect you say "Gosh, Hazel. Don't tell me you won't submit your sites [sob]". You probably wouldn't like them anyway

Ken you already don't like me. No hard feelings - just understand |rasta|

Hugs n Smoochies

Hazel

WHOA. |popcorn|

Just kidding. I know it's a serious issue.

RevShare Hosting: Why not offer a financial incentive to your users if they catch someone else doing bad stuff?

Additionally, if you put in your TOS that in the event a user is found pulling some dirty scumbag crap their personal info will be posted on an area of your domain.

A wall of shame page or something.

I guess the gist is to offer incentives to recruit your userbase to help be your eyes and show you won't screw around with anyone who gets caught by maintaining your own blacklist history available to anyone who wants to see it.

Also, how about a cheater/cloaker/theif e-mail form for LL owners and TGP owners to be able to *quickly* fill out.

One of the bigger problems with RSH is the 404 pages. I think a reasonable compromise would be to reward webmasters with demonstrated skill levels by putting them on a server/s that has no 404. That would be a good step forward on the hosts part and make it known that you offer that service. Either somewhere in your TOS or at least posting on the boards.

I understand that 404's make a ton of money, however, if you can't create a viable business model without them then the LL owners will continue to view that type of hosting as "cheating".

I'm sure that most LL's will consider that as a good faith effort and begin to list them again. :)

My .02 cents

Surfn,

Our webmasters have 100% control of their 404 pages, if they want to setup a page that says nothing more than "Have a Nice Day...This Page is Not Available" all they have to do is create that page and call it missing.html and submit it to us to setup on their domain.

Maestro
RevShare Hosting

This is exactly what we mean. They don't and then your hosting gets banned. As I said put them on a server where YOU control the 404 and have it say "Have a Nice Day...This Page is Not Available" don't leave it up to them.

No need to respond I've said more than I planned already. I would like to list some of your webmasters but as long as they use shitty 404's it ain't gonna happen. |sad|