Can I have Link-O-Rama? ;)

It is almost always your best friend that would be the first to sleep with your wife if he got half a chance.

The "cliche" I try to live by is... "Accept it or change it". That get's me through a lot of tough times.

This has gotten really ridiculous. A fucking thread got moved! One of you needs to be "the man" and phone the other and clear the air, instead of flushing a good friendship & business relationship down the toilet. Seriously. It's too easy to misread people online... I bet this would never have blown up if you guys were talking face to face. I've met each of you in Chicago before at the gatherings, and you seemed like cool straight-up people. This argument is really stupid and not worth it.

So here... have some boobies on me. |boobies|

No truer words were spoken.

Some how the meaning of words written cannot transmit eye contact and body language.

Even in friendship, Biz is Biz.

and i lifted a Bloody Mary in your direction last night Greenie in hopes that your Wah would be at peace.

|smooch|

I have a lot of experience with running forums, and find what the admin/mod did to be perfectly acceptable. If something is not posted in the appropriate place, then it needs to be moved to where it belongs. That is a pretty plain and simple concept with just about every forum, and if it were not that way, then there would be no need to have multiple forum topics, and the place would be total anarchy and no one would every get any help or be able to find anything!
I have been with this forum since the very beginning, came over from GG's old board, and have the upmost respect for him and Jim. Think about how many people these guys have helped out! They go above and beyond to inform other webmaster and keep them in the know. Most people would try to keep this info to themselves, and profit from it, but they have shared their wealth of knowledge (as well as given other knowledgeable webmaster a forum to share theirs), with other webmasters.
I have watched this board through it's good times and it's bad (I really have more posts than this, but when the board had to be restarted, I lost them... and damn I really wanted that Buddy Christ stature for the 1000 posts :) ), and I really think this board outshines most of the other because it is run the way they do.
ExtremeJohn, I know you have been here a long time as well. It really dissapoints me to see a situation get to this point. What has really gotten to me the most is that you have allowed a representative of your company to cause you negative publicity. You have some good sites and programs, but this really does not look good on you. I know the webmasters on here are few, but some of those few are some of the biggest names in the business, and that can have a huge impact on your business! I know my opinion on how to run your business doesn't matter, but personally, I think it would be best to make your employees keep the same views as you or just allow you to handle the matters which affect the financial sides.
I really hope everyone can get things worked out for the best, and we can all get back to doing what every one wants... making money!!!

damn, i missed a good sig placement.

HAHA... What a shame I missed all this bullshit.. glad to have skimmed through that lot and found a laugh at the end though.




People may not change.. but venting is a good thing GG! It's even better when followed up with an over-dose of Beer and Sport watching imho |peace|

I'd like to take a minute to speak as a newcomer to both the industry and this board. In the 5 months or so that I've been in the adult biz (been a webmaster for years), I've spent some time on a few dozen boards...mostly lurking and checking out the lay of the land.

I can honestly say that there are only a handful of boards that I find to be worth a fuck, and this is one of the best. Every board has it's own strength and focus, and I find this to be the single best place online that any link list owner or freesite builder could ever find to network and learn. My submit page even reflects this.

I should say that I haven't been in the adult biz long enough to have been really screwed by anyone, but I know my day is coming eventually just as sure as I know the sun will rise tomorrow.

This board is a great community, with a lot of great people sharing their knowledge and experience for the benefit of all who are willing to take the time to listen. Sure there will be problems, and unfortunately sometimes those problems will make the people who have to clean them up want to detonate a tac-nuke and chuck it all. This is probably the shittiest aspect of any business venture.


To Green Guy & Jim:

Since it doesn't get done often enough (if at all), I'd like to thank you for all the work you've done to create one of the best places for adult webmasters to come together and benefit from each others' experience. Of course you need to get paid for all the work you do (not to mention find a way to pay for what must be an ungodly amount of bandwidth), and of course you need to draw a line in the sand so that your advertisters are genuinely getting ROI that they can see. There isn't a single rule in place on this board that is unreasonable in the least.

Fetish Philes is growing 3 or 4 times faster than it would be without this board, and my freesites are doing better than ever because I found a place to network with other LL owners and develop relationships that have made both my submissions and submissions to Fetish Philes work better and return more for everyone.

I sincerely hope you're feeling better sometime very soon, and hopefully the support shown in this thread gives you an indication of how valuable this place is to those who post here. Take a break. Let the mods clean up the messes for a few. We'll be here when you get back.

Peace until then.


Max

I'm confused. There was another thread with a lot of pissing. Then there was this sad thread. Now there's a lot of pissing in this thread too.

If you're going to piss, piss away and get it over with and shake hands. Geez!

Chill people. It's Saturday. Have a coffe and a glass of your favorite alcoholic beverage and smell the fresh air. Enjoy yourself :)

Just want to say something here to be very clear:

Your right text is one dimensional and nothing can ever change that, face to face always is better, if not phone calls are almost as good.

I agree this board is a great place for some people and some people find it to be very usefull, for that and those people it's good thing.

I also think that the direction this went because of a post being moved is pretty damn sad.

As for controlling Chris or any of my employee's for that matter, I do that, but it doesnt mean Im always going to stop them from saying what they feel, to anyone, as I would be being a Hipocrit, I dont kiss anyone's ass in this business and if I want to say something I say it, from the times of Like Whoa when I called Nick out on GFY and let him know he was a piece of shit to whatever else I can think of, there' no rule in business or in life that says Keep your mouth shut and everyone must get along.

It's a stupid issue, and moving into day 2 it was already very boring, some new threads kept it going and tried to pump more fuel into it, by this day... Day 3 it's moved from boring to a complete waste of time. Everyone has opions on everything, youll never make everyone happy all of the time, and thats fine.

After everyone responds to GG's moment of Clarity and shows their overwhelming "LOVE" for him, im sure everything will be jut ducky, he's a business man and he will live through this, just as Chris will and I will.

GG here is some good skunk from holland, take a smoke and relax

|potleaf| |rasta|

In the end nothing its worth it. |peace|

I feel a little out of the loop too

ya, but you got top of page 3 sig placement.....

Doh!!! |goodnight

For some reason, that statement just pisses me off.

What happened with this John?

Do you need me to help you along?

GG,

In just the short while I have posted here, you have helped a TON and I thank you. If you get tired of fucking those people back, I will help. You hold them, I'll fuck them :)

I hope all goes better this coming week.

O.k, call me crazy, but what the hell is the problem now?? I cant say it's a great board for people either without you getting pissed?

Do I need you to help me along? Why your going to help me along because I gave you guys a compliment.. Jim ya know what, what the fuck ever man, help me along, be the fist guy to ban me in 5 years of being in business because I said something decent, that would be some funny shit, and like I really give a shit too.

Try to be a little more on the kind side and you still have an issue with it.

Your amazing bro, really. Try to take things at face value instead of analyzing every damn thing you read.

Christ Greenie, I don't even know the story behind this dog-fucking schmuck, but his every post is pissing me off. I can see how conducting business with a low-life small cocked fuck like that could make you want some time off. Get away from here for awhile. You've earned it. I'm sure Jim candle that bitchboy father raper.

|waves|

Jesus! Just one of those incidents would've been enough to drive me 'round the bend. Throw on the election results...was a big batch of crazy tossed into the drinking water this week???

As the others have said already, please keep up the good fight. I read a lot of boards, but if I want honest answers & real help, this is the board I search.

The lack of spam is what makes it possible to hit "View New Posts" & actually scan every new thread.

|smooch|

Re: Re: I fucking hate this board & I hate this business - friends? HA!
 

That's what I thought. Obviously this guy's boss doesn't know who Green Guy is. He probably doesn't know what a link list is. Pretty arrogant of him if you ask me.

|monkey

After reading Greenguys post I can really understand his anger, but in my opinion there is one thing some people that posted in this thread should think about.

It is really cool, to give GG&J some good words about their work here and about this board, because this place really rocks and these two AND their moderators are keeping this board together. Nothing wrong with that.

On the other hand I think that a lot of people stepped way over the line in this thread. The cases GG is talking about sound shitty and everyone that experiences stuff like that would be pissed. But none of us does know the exact circumstances nor does exactly know who he is talking about(of course some can be guessed). So I think that we should go a little slower on calling everyone an asshole or stupid. Because this is none of our business.

Of course you are now all free to call me stupid too :D

I can't believe this thread is still going

Well ... I read this board every day. Both NP and GG&J are the boards I frequent, and thats pretty much it. remember don't take things personally .... there should be no emotion in making money.

'Friends' will screw you over if they can make a profit by doing so.

I would respond to you, but you simply dont exist to me, never have and never will, and everyone here can see right through you. You should get a job at the improv funny boy.

Things seem to be getting a little out of hand here. I support Greenguy 100%! But there really isn't a need for all the nastiness.

You guys posted spam in the main forum without paying for it, and you didn't even get banned...

Advertising is what keeps professional message boards afloat. There are ways of advertising for free on most of them, but the prime spots are reserved for paying advertisers.

I'm sure you already know all this. You know you're wrong; own up to it.

I usually don't read "drama" threads and wasn't aware GG's post would be about a serious matter. Thats why I was a little shocked when I read the thread. I don't know anything about the problems between you guys but I can say that I always enjoyed doing business with John. We even made some nice signature deals and I've always done my best to represent ExtremePaychecks in a good light. I always dealt very professional with John and his crew and I personally think that all this negative comments from people who have no clue about this matter (I include myself) are not appropriate.

I would love to see you guys get this sorted out. |smooch|

Ummm....? Wasn't THAT a response to me? What made you realize that I was talking about you? It was the small cock comment, huh. You know, they make pills for that dreaded affliction.

Guess I should cross you off my Christmas card list.|nahnah|

I agree with you, but GreenGuy didn't name names. He simply vented his frustrations. Those of us who read this board a lot knew something was up, but not the details. Most people reading this thread would have never have known that ExtremeJohn was one of the parties involved if he had not entered this thread.

Bare in mind, he was not the only person/company GG is upset about, but the other person has shown both restraint and class by not posting a 'fuck you anyway' reply.

It's funny that a guy like you can even spell the word class. In rgeards to showing restraint, well good for the person that didnt say a word, Im not like that, I call bullshit exactly that when I see it.

And Dagwolf your right, and that wasnt my issue and isnt my issue now, like I really care that a thread was moved, it's all the extra add on shit that came with the package, like the extra digs in this thread (regardless if names were named I dont care, I knew it was about me and Im not affraid to say what I have to say, and never will be, it's shit like the calling Chris and "Employee' instead of referring to him by name, or saying he's like Pimpdog, not that Pimpdog ever bugged me because he hasnt), it's just all the extra shit that wasnt needed sespecially when the thing seemed dead to me, but if people want to keep it going Im more than welcome too, Ive alays been very open minded, I dont kiss anyone's ass and I always call things bullshit when they are bullshit. Initially my bad for even trying to get the message in the main forum and fuck me for thinking it wouldnt be a big deal to GG&J (even though it wasnt a big deal to any single one of the other boards it was put on), here is a special place and I knew the rules and should have followed them, in return certain people coul have kept their mouth shut and left out all the additional bullshit, but it seems everyone wants to go to the next level. Thats fine with me.

And people like this circu clown "Useless" being very true Wariror (maybe a keyboard one if that), just cracks me up, enjoy your 5 minutes bro it will be over before you know it.

hang in there Greenie! |buddy|

I didn't have time to read this whole thread, but you fuckers attacking Extremepaychecks and John are fucking morons. John is one of the most honest and respectful people I have ever done business with. In the four years that I have known John he has not EVER treated anyone negatively that did not deserve it.

You fucking people just get a clue, or get out of this industry.

Manilaheat, it isn't about honesty, it is about expecting special treatment, and getting all out of shape when they don't get it.

John's honesty really isn't in question here, just his willingness to support an employee who really went off for no reason, should have accepted the rules as they exist and apply to all non-advertiser programs.

They made an issue out of something simple, and the results are here.

GG obviously had a crappy week of dealing with people being ignorant, stupid, or expecting some sort of special treatment where none has been offered or is available. Piles and piles of crap loads up over a period of time, and it all comes out together in one shot.

Some people don't understand how much they are imposing when they ask these sorts of things.

EJ, there really is nothing to add here. You made your case, and regardless of what the masses think, the deed is done. The "good" thing to do involves understanding what happened, how it could have been avoided, and get your employees to learn how to function better with the online communities. Your results will be better as a result.

Alex

What’s with all the negativity EJ? You won’t make friends talking to people that way.

What’s with all this talk about sig placement? This isn’t that other forum…

I would also like to say thanks to Green Guy, and every one else who have helped me out getting started making free sites and such on this board for giving me an education in…

“Adult marketing”

I doubt my thanks will make your days any better though, but it was worth a try.

|buddy|

It's probably best that you had read everything, and the threads assosicated with it, then you would not have responded and made yourself look like an ass! |waves|

Moved threads - 75 posts of people crying - who has the time? Simple fact is: John is a good guy - you attack his company or his employees personally - that is bullshit.

It would be easier if you get out of the board.

Well I am not.|waves|

GG,

Nothing else I could do to cheer you up, so I signed up under you while adding new sponsors. So, in a month or so, you can go to McD's and get a Happy Meal on me :)

I truly appreciate again the help I get from you and I hope this post gives ya a small lift.

The fact of the matter is not whether John is a good guy or not.
So you don't have to read everything to understand what is going on, and why people are saying the things they are, I'll summerize for you...
What happened is that one of John's employees made a post here, but did not follow the rules of the board, so his post got moved to a more appropriate forum. He wasn't happy about it, he began to complain and basically said that Greenguy and Jim should bend the rules for his company since they used to be paid advertisers here. Greenguy and Jim didn't agree.
Rather than John standing up and admitting his employee was wrong, which would have probably made it the end of the entire incident, he instead chose to say that his employee had the right to say whatever he wanted to. From that point things started to go downhill.
I think a lot of people have said things out of frustration, that they probably don't mean, so I hope all of this can get worked out with everyone soon!

KOOLKAT - Thanks for the summary, but read the above quote.......

John's character IS IN QUESTION.

I dont care about what happened. Above is the post that set me off. This post QUESTIONS whether John is a good guy or not.

I don't know where you are from, but I dont call people "dog-fucking schmuck" if they are a good guy.

My post is in regards to fucking babies who post shit like that.

Now come on guys, What I think we have here is friend abuse..
Just because You guys advertise on the board in the past You think its ok to post in the main fourm.. And Iam sure you guys are/were friends and expected to have friendship over ride rules..

Now take greenguy, he must have millions of people ask or expect special favors and people try and use him and look how many people he helped and when that thread got moved chris got pissed they got pissed and now you guys are all fighting over BS..

maybe if you guys would have asked to post in the main forum this would not have got this far.. And I think extreme is a good program and greenguy and jim is a good webmaster resource..

and other people adding fuel to the fire isnt good either..

I think you guys should say hey were sorry and thats it.. Greenguy and jim we shouldnt have got red over the thread being moved.. and I think they should accept it..