Great idea Spacemanspiff and Tart

OK, here's what I decided to do. I enabled the email function on my scripts. You'll get an email when your site is added, and you may or may not get one if it's rejected. I have the option of sending an email at the time of review.

If I rejected your site for a simple, honest mistake, I'll let you know. At that time you can fix the problem and reply to the rejection email letting me know it's fixed. I'll add your site to the next day's update. That way you don't have to wait forever and a day for you site to some back up for review.

If you are a "Sucking Sucker" (to borrow a phrase :) ), you probably won't get an email. These folks include auto submitters, template whores, clueless site builders, and my nextdoor neighbor, who is a bitch, but that's another story.

Same thing here again except for that next door neighbor :D

People who make honest mistakes should know what they are doing wrong. Shitheads that don't even bother to read the rejection emails and submit the same shit over and over again are just being ignored :)

Oops! Did I stir up a hornets nest? Good! If it's got you guys talking then I'm well pleased

Most people understand how difficult and frustrating it can be, for LL-masters AND site builders, but if we can all come to an understanding we might get somewhere. There are so many people jumping on the bandwagon, in search of easy riches, that those who DO try hard to get it right need to get together

Almost all the replies posted here seem to reflect the 'Great Divide' between owners and submitters. Seems it all stems from the fact that it's time consuming dealing with the average career f**k-wit who can't/won't read rules or guidelines. Fair enough. Blacklist 'em. But what about the newbie who is making the effort, and a few genuine mistakes? Okay, time is money. But so is lack of understanding between the two sides

There are good, bad and indifferent on both sides of the fence. LL-masters should praise the good, weed out the bad, and help those who try but make mistakes. At the same time builders who are really trying hard to make a go of it should realise that any-old-crap doesn't make the grade anymore. If we lose the bad, who shouldn't be in the business in the first place, it makes all our 'jobs' a lot easier in the long run

Love the idea of a list of 'Trusted' submitters. Heaven knows there are plenty of shared blacklists out there. Also have to agree with GG that airing rejection grievences on the board helps others too. Makes sense and saves time

Meanwhile I plan always to give a courteous response |smooch|

I've got a note on my submit page in pretty big type, just above where the submit form starts, saying I'm happy to answer any questions from newbies trying to get their bearings. It's been up for 3 months and over a couple thousand submissions. Guess how many emails I've gotten asking questions.....go ahead, guess....


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One of my submitters who frequents this board had 3 submissions sitting in my que 404ing, and my emails to him were bouncing back undeliverable. Since I knew him from the board, I PMd him to let him know. Turns out it was something about his hosting and IP that was causing these sites to 404 from certain locations and not others, so he fixed it and I approved all his sites. If I hadn't known who he was, the sites would have been declined (and probably would've blacklisted him) after the email bounced back.

The moral of the story is that taking the time to be part of a community ALWAYS has tangible advantages, even if they're not obvious. We've got a good community here, many of us advertise this board on our submit pages, and those who choose to take part will always have a leg up over those who don't. There's only so much you can do for people |rasta|

Same here MadMax.

I have this right next to my submit form:

Wondering Why your site was not listed?
Check the guide lines below and if you still have questions then
You can ask me about it at Greenguyandjim.com.

With GGandjim linked to this thread:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...threadid=12326

So I feel I have put the ball in the submitters court. Which I feel is
fair and would be more than happy with it if I was submitting
to my site. After all I like most other linklist owners submit sites too.

I understand frustration of some people because rejection mails, and I understand some webmasters who don`t want to send that mails any more.
But all submitters must decide where they will submit their sites, check LL`s. If some LL didn`t list your sites don`t submit to that LL anymore even that LL send nice traffic. Use another LL or more.
I check all LL once in month and decide where I will submit my sites, I know that I sometimes make some stupid mistakes but we are just people and mistakes are for people. Sometimes my free sites I submit to just 20 LL which I know that will list me and some sites I submit to 100 LL and it`s sure that some LL will decline my site.
I notice that some LL owners have very, very stupid rules but that is their problem. I am not mad on some big LL (they list almost every my site) but I am mad on some little LL which send to me just a few visits in week and they behave like they send me 1000`s.
Now who will give me partner account |roses|

well I wasnt going to put my 2c in but against my better judgement Ill type a little ;)

I agree with this and it probably the most fustrating aspect of submitting for me. There is one list that I have more than 5 sites listed over variouse categories this month and how many visits have they sent? A whole 4 visitors all month lol, and of course they have the most byzantine rules Ive seen and reject for all sorts of reasons not listed in the "rules".

I guess my point is that LL owners and Submitters have a relationship, and if both sides try to make make it better for each other we will all win.

I like to get emails if I messed something up, but If I dont I just move on. Hell even if I do get a rejection email I dont change the site for 1 LL because the other 8 LL have accepted it and I dont want to go mess with the site and have it messed up with the other 8 LLs that origionally accepted it.

I just use that email for future sites so I dont do the same thing again.

In a perfect world we would all get rejection emails, and the submitters who just ignore them should be ignored themselves.

Cheers

I hope you guys are not refering to mine |couch|

I don't have much traffic for sure but I don't feel my
rules are to much over the top. Hopefully I am just
being paranoid again.|crazy|